To "Tay" and all those who believe GOD never....
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Peace Tay
Sorry to bother you again, I need to elaborate on the verse you posted in fact it clearly shows where you are mixed up
I see, so now the story of Maryam and Isa is classified as ghaib? You're stretching again bro.
3179 Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which you are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen(alghaybi). But He chooses of His Messengers whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His messengers And if you believe and do right, you have a reward without measure.
So you brought in verse 3179 and you think that Allah does not disclose Al-Ghaib to Mohammad,
I?m sorry bro the verse was directed at the believers that Allah will not disclose to them those secrets of the unseen, then he excluded the prophets that he chooses to disclose to them the Ghaib it is obvious bro from ? But He chooses of His Messengers whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His messengers? here is the whole Arabic verse for the Arabic readers
(179)
The red words represented in the translation you posted by "But He chooses of His Messengers whom He pleases."
Ie. Allah will disclose some secrets to the messengers He chose then those messengers will disclose it to us, however you are here going totally against the odds, because you are denying what Allah is disclosing to us directly in the Quran through the stories of the people before us an example from the Quran of these disclosures to the prophets was posted in my last comment,
344 CELARLY SAYS THIS IS RELATING TO THE DISCLOSURE OF THE GHAIB and amazingly bro the story of Mariam was told after and the fact you use that you did not see WAS TOLD TO THE PROPHET THAT HE ALSO DIDN'T SEE IT AND SURE HE MUST BELIEVE IN IT HIMSELF AS WELL
44- This is of the announcements relating to the unseen which We reveal to you; and you were not with them when they cast their pens (to decide) which of them should have Marium in his charge, and you were not with them when they contended one with another.
(44)
Peace be with you
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Peace,
A miracle is something which is too powerful for a human or a collection of humans to do at any particular time period.
So earthquakes, volcanoes, and hurricanes are all miracles according to you even though they are commonplace?
I also do not require miracles to believe and echo Tay's sentiments in relation to life itself. The fact that there is anything at all - rather than nothing is to me the only "miracle".
Regards.
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We dont know what methods GOD used in the past to protect the Quran...
The "Quran" is not protected.
The reminder (zhikr) is protected 159.
I believe that this actually means the reminder is MAINTAINED. That the God ensures that the message is always available to people and this may be in more forms than just the reading.
The text may become corrupted, but the essential message of monotheism and the last day is maintained.
Regards.
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Salaams All,
Jonny said
?GOD helped His prophets many times by supernatural means?
And what are those?
Ahmed said
?Believers do need to believe in the past miracles the Quran told us about?
I don?t see any such things ,but there is a lot of mistranslations in it though.
You can point them out for me though.
Gods Blessings.
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Peace,
just my 2c...
Your 2c really has a lot of spending power hasn't it?
It certainly goes a long way )
Regards.
lol
Bro I thought the 2c comments are a METAPHORE to cheap comments wink
cheers
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The only assurance bro is the Arabic content in it
Peace Ahmed,
I sometimes wonder if you would believe the message if it was in Chinese. You seem to really be hung up on the Arabic.
Regards.
Peace Bro Oben
will, i donlyt really know bro because I'm sure it will also depends on how Allah will guide anyone depending on his sincerety and non arrorgance , because Allah does not like the arrogant as written in the Arabic Quran, as i guess it would be written also in the Chinease Quran if it was sent in Chinease
Peace
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Hi all,
Hello bro JK
It seems to me that you are well set on the understanding that the Quran has been proven the true book of Allah because of code 19?
I'm sorry bro this can't be true because simply code 19 was discovered 1400 years after Islam, this means all those generations didn't have an assurance that it is the true words of Allah
The only assurance bro is the Arabic content in it
Quran is a true book from Allah becoz it has arabic content in it? shock
Yeah, Like Truth said, what if God had sent the message in chinese or in french or even english, will it not be a true book from God?
Whats with the language obsession here?
Arabic is just another language.
God is capable of conveying his message clearly in any language.Peace!
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Hi all,
Hello bro JK
It seems to me that you are well set on the understanding that the Quran has been proven the true book of Allah because of code 19?
I'm sorry bro this can't be true because simply code 19 was discovered 1400 years after Islam, this means all those generations didn't have an assurance that it is the true words of Allah
The only assurance bro is the Arabic content in it
Quran is a true book from Allah becoz it has arabic content in it? shock
Yeah, Like Truth said, what if God had sent the message in chinese or in french or even english, will it not be a true book from God?
Whats with the language obsession here?
Arabic is just another language.
God is capable of conveying his message clearly in any language.Peace!
Oh please sister
I thought you are smarter than this to understand what i meant by the Arabic Quran "No offence here sister"
I will give you an exampe dear sister
i can say
I love my car
and i can also say
I love my red car
the second means i'm just being specific however both comments means
I love my car
Hence in my quran comment
if I say it like this
because of its content
or if I say like this
because of it arabic content
both commets means
because of its content
Arabic is an adjective like the color red that describe my car
got it sister?
peace be with you
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Hi AhmedBahgat,
Hi all,
Hello bro JK
It seems to me that you are well set on the understanding that the Quran has been proven the true book of Allah because of code 19?
I'm sorry bro this can't be true because simply code 19 was discovered 1400 years after Islam, this means all those generations didn't have an assurance that it is the true words of Allah
The only assurance bro is the Arabic content in it
Quran is a true book from Allah becoz it has arabic content in it? shock
Yeah, Like Truth said, what if God had sent the message in chinese or in french or even english, will it not be a true book from God?
Whats with the language obsession here?
Arabic is just another language.
God is capable of conveying his message clearly in any language.Peace!
Oh please sister
I thought you are smarter than this to understand what i meant by the Arabic Quran "No offence here sister"
I will give you an exampe dear sister
i can say
I love my car
and i can also say
I love my red car
the second means i'm just being specific however both comments means
I love my car
Hence in my quran comment
if I say it like this
because of its content
or if I say like this
because of it arabic content
both commets means
because of its content
Arabic is an adjective like the color red that describe my car
got it sister?Dont blame me for misunderstanding ur statement ) coz u sure didnt put it clear enough. Ur statement that u made earlier, meant to say, 'we dont need code 19 to believe that Quran is a true book of Allah but the fact that it is in Arabic, is proof enough''.
Thats why I spoke against that idea.Anyways, Peace! I understand u didnt mean any specialness in 'arabic' as such. It just wasnt well said.
Peace!
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Hi AhmedBahgat,
Hi all,
Hello bro JK
It seems to me that you are well set on the understanding that the Quran has been proven the true book of Allah because of code 19?
I'm sorry bro this can't be true because simply code 19 was discovered 1400 years after Islam, this means all those generations didn't have an assurance that it is the true words of Allah
The only assurance bro is the Arabic content in it
Quran is a true book from Allah becoz it has arabic content in it? shock
Yeah, Like Truth said, what if God had sent the message in chinese or in french or even english, will it not be a true book from God?
Whats with the language obsession here?
Arabic is just another language.
God is capable of conveying his message clearly in any language.Peace!
Oh please sister
I thought you are smarter than this to understand what i meant by the Arabic Quran "No offence here sister"
I will give you an exampe dear sister
i can say
I love my car
and i can also say
I love my red car
the second means i'm just being specific however both comments means
I love my car
Hence in my quran comment
if I say it like this
because of its content
or if I say like this
because of it arabic content
both commets means
because of its content
Arabic is an adjective like the color red that describe my car
got it sister?Dont blame me for misunderstanding ur statement coz u sure didnt put it clear enough. Ur statement that u made earlier, meant to say, 'we dont need code 19 to believe that Quran is a true book of Allah but the fact that it is in Arabic, is proof enough''.
Thats why I spoke against that idea.Anyways, Peace! I understand u didnt mean any specialness in 'arabic' as such. It just wasnt well said.
Peace!
lol
ok sister no worries
peace
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Peace Ahmed,
Please translate this for me
Thalika min anba-i alghaybi
Peace tay
The exact translation should be
This is some of the Unseen News
But it also means
This is some of the Unseen Stories
Remeber Tay, it is not stories as human stories because God does not tell us stories unless it happened or will happen, He is not like us
that is why this unseen news was part of the Wahi sent to Mohammad and we must believe in it if we want to call ourselves believers in the Unseen,I may ask, What is your point that you believe in the verses which talk about miracles in the Quran ?, do you mean that it is Allah words and that's all? if that is the case, then what these words mean to you exactly.
please don't tell me guidance because i already know that and you and me can easily see the "do" and "do not" in it. i mean in addition to guidance regarding the parts that have no guidance and are nothing but statements of facts by Allah?
Peace bro
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Peace Ahmed,
Doesn't "min" mean from?
Absolutely, and that is why i added tyhe word SOME OF = MIN = FROM
ie,
this is some of the unseen news
or
this is from the unseen news
a native arabic speaker will understand it on the spot, while it may sound odd to a non arabic speaker
the Quran used this style of Min a lot because it is popular in the common arabic language, check 28, Min Al Nas = Some of the Poeple = From the People
In effect it means, Allah didn't disclose oll the stories of the Ghaib "that they didn't know it or see it
Peace
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Peace Ahmed,
Thanks for the info. I happen to agree.
So, the story is being recited from the unseen. It can only be this way, since the events did actually happen, right? I mean, there were real witnesses who did see Maryam. For them it was seen, not unseen.Now, we've already agreed to disgree on what the story actually means. But we both recognize where the story is from - al-ghaybi.
Conclusion if you're going to classify the story of Maryam as "unseen", then you must apply the same to every single word of the Qur'an, since it all comes from the "unseen", and none of us have ever seen any of the events that took place.
So, where does that leave us, brother?
Back to square one.I believe in every word of the Qur'an, and I believe in the unseen. But I do not interpret the words the same way you do.
Agreed?
Peace,
Tay -
Peace Ahmed,
Thanks for the info. I happen to agree.
So, the story is being recited from the unseen. It can only be this way, since the events did actually happen, right? I mean, there were real witnesses who did see Maryam. For them it was seen, not unseen.Peace bro
No woprries bro, we only looking for the truth for all of us with no credit to anyone but all of us, yes anything happens and no one saw but was heard, it has to be classified as hearsay, that is the general law at courts, but the point is what is said is not by a human rather by our God, hence it can not be hearsay from our perspective
Now, we've already agreed to disgree on what the story actually means. But we both recognize where the story is from - al-ghaybi.
the point of agreeing to disgree is only when we both reach dead end, and I don't think we did yet, I learnt a lot myself while putting these comments to you, so it should be good for both of us,
now any stories you hear from any one "God or Not" while you did not see it is Ghayb
Conclusion if you're going to classify the story of Maryam as "unseen",
bro, it is not me who did classify it, it is Allah in His Quran explicitly and also the common sense suggest that if you don't see it then you don't really know it untill you see
then you must apply the same to every single word of the Qur'an, since it all comes from the "unseen", and none of us have ever seen any of the events that took place.
I have no problem with that bro, in fact believing in Mohammad or other prophets is 100% believing in the UNSEEN
So, where does that leave us, brother?
Back to square one.absolutely not bro, it will leave us at BELIEVING IN THE UNSEEN, as we were told in 23 and zillions of other loctions, and this is what will defferentiate a true believer from a confused believer (who thinks he/she is a believer)
so if we consider Most of the content in the Quran is unseen, then all we need is to believe in it AS NOT HEARSAY because it is by our God and not by a human
I believe in every word of the Qur'an, and I believe in the unseen. But I do not interpret the words the same way you do.
Agreed?
I agree that you are free to interpet it the way you want in fact I believe the Quran mentioned the people who do that, obvioulsy you admitted that you intepet it your way, but I don't agree that I interpet it my way, I DID NOT DO IT MY WAY, it is what the clear arabic text suggest in the Quran as said by our God who ordered us to believe in the unseen, then He gave us many exmaples of those unseen and told us that people saw it as well, in fact He also told us to travel around and see the signs of those unseen people before us, like Pharaoh and the pyramids or gommorah/sodom cities for example
He also told us about things that was unseen for some till a point where it was seen, surat Al Rum, the battle of Byzantine which for those before it was unseen, then it is seen by the ones at the time of the event then for me and you it is unseen
Peace,
TaySalam man