what in the devil's name is 666?
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peace AP,
I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. Can you please explain in simple words?
The "allah" mentioned in the Koran is a false god.
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Peace Apple pie,
Put some effort into your salvation.... roll
Put some effort into ur research.
Dont see what is shown to u, but seek for urself.Ur posts show quite clearly that u have no idea what muslims believe in.
All u seem to be doing is trying ur best to paint a false picture.(well, I dont blame u. It appears u have been spoon fed with false information). Anyways, This isnt about christianity vs Islam. Its about truth, and one's understanding of it.
Well u see, U r clearly wasting ur time.
Most of us here seek truth and understanding for ourselves.
And we dont have blind beliefs. So, these false tactics wont work with us.Here's what we believe in short
-we believe in one supreme God, who has no form or shape.- we believe in righteousness as our requirement of living our religion.
Here's a suggestion for u For a period, I'd suggest u let go of ur faith & its teachings, and live life contemplating on life and our creator. Just let go of all those things that u have been taught and preached, and just live, observe and contemplate.
U will find the answers for urself, during and after .Unless u r too scared to do that.
And then believe in what u understand and realise. Life gives u the truth, the answers. Just look for it in silence.''Believe nothing on the faith of traditions,
even though they have been held in honor
for many generations and in diverse places.
Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it.
Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past.
Do not believe what you yourself have imagined,
persuading yourself that a God inspires you.
Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests.
After examination, believe what you yourself have tested
and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.''- Buddha
Peace!
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peace AP
I would ask how you came to that conclusion, but, i'm just going to tell you that its not about what the quran says. Its about our understanding of God and the truth. It doesn't matter if the quran is right or wrong. It served its purpose as a guide for a lot of us (including me) and now i know that i'm on the right track.
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peace AP
I would ask how you came to that conclusion, but, i'm just going to tell you that its not about what the quran says. Its about our understanding of God and the truth. It doesn't matter if the quran is right or wrong. It served its purpose as a guide for a lot of us (including me) and now i know that i'm on the right track.
Are you willing to base your eternal salvation on something that may be "right or wrong"...?
Eternity is a long time to be wrong.
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peace AP,
its not me that's wrong. I'm right. If i follow what the quran says, then it has to be right. It has to make sense. So maybe you're right, that there is no such thing as "Allah." But there is a God. And there is such a thing as truth based on the creation of that God. As opposed to Belief based on a religious book.
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I think Apple Pie is wrestling with concepts he has no real experience with. Perhaps he isn't aware that Arab Christians also pray to "Allah".
Perhaps an analogy may help. There are many incorrect views about Jesus also. Some say he is man and god, others say he is just the son of god, others say he is neither; some believe Jesus is a figment of the imagination and there is no good evidence for him at all.
So what is the correct concept of Jesus if you take all these views?
The correct concept of the God is that He exists and is singular. Anything else is a word game.
Regards.
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Hi Apple pie,
Are you willing to base your eternal salvation on something that may be "right or wrong"...?
Eternity is a long time to be wrong.
Again these scare tactics wont work, Apple pie.
We are not those who would follow blind beliefs and faith out of irrational fear.
We follow what we understand as true.U should let go off the fear u seem to hold so close, and seek answers for urself, fearlessly.
And just for ur info, this is what muslims in general believe, about life on earth and eternity
Regarding the position of man in relation to the Universe, the Quran says
"God has made subservient to you whatever is on the earth or in universe. You are destined to rule over the Universe."
But in relation to God, the Quran says
"O man God has bestowed on you excellent faculties and has created life and death to put you to test in order to see whose actions are good and who has deviated from the right path."
In spite of free will which he enjoys, to some extent, every man is born under certain circumstances and continues to live under certain circumstances beyond his control. With regard to this God says, according to Islam, it is my will to create any man under condition that seem best to me. cosmic plans finite mortals can not fully comprehend.
But I will certainly test you in prosperity as well in adversity, in health as well as in sickness, in heights as well as in depths. My ways of testing differ from man to man, from hour to hour. In adversity do not despair and do resort to unlawful means. It is but a passing phase. In prosperity do not forget God. God-gifts are given only as trusts. You are always on trial, every moment on test. In this sphere of life there is not to reason why, there is but to do and die. If you live in accordance with God; and if you die, die in the path of God. You may call it fatalism. but this type of fatalism is a condition of vigorous increasing effort, keeping you ever on the alert.
Do not consider this temporal life on earth as the end of human existence. There is a life after death and it is eternal. Life after death is only a connection link, a door that opens up hidden reality of life. Every action in life however insignificant, produces a lasting effect. It is correctly recorded somehow. Some of the ways of God are known to you, but many of his ways are hidden from you. What is hidden in you and from you in this world will be unrolled and laid open before you in the next. the virtuous will enjoy the blessing of God which the eye has not seen, nor has the ear heard, nor has it entered into the hearts of men to conceive of they will march onward reaching higher and higher stages of evolution.
Those who have wasted opportunity in this life shall under the inevitable law, which makes every man taste of what he has done, be subjugated to a course of treatment of the spiritual diseases which they have brought about with their own hands. Beware, it is terrible ordeal. Bodily pain is torture, you can bear somehow. Spiritual pain is hell, you will find it almost unbearable. Fight in this life itself the tendencies of the spirit prone to evil, tempting to lead you into iniquities ways.
Reach the next stage when the self-accusing sprit in your conscience is awakened and the soul is anxious to attain moral excellence and revolt against disobedience. This will lead you to the final stage of the soul at rest, contented with God, finding its happiness and delight in him alone. The soul no more stumbles. The stage of struggle passes away.
Truth is victorious and falsehood lays down its arms. All complexes will then be resolved. Your house will not be divided against itself. Your personality will get integrated round the central core of submission to the will of God and complete surrender to his divine purpose. All hidden energies will then be released. The soul then will have peace.God will then address you
"O thou soul that art at rest, and restest fully contented with thy Lord return to thy Lord. He pleased with thee and thou pleased with him; So enter among my servants and enter into my paradise."
This is the final goal for man; to become, on the, one hand, the master of the universe and on the other, to see that his soul finds rest in his Lord, that not only his Lord will be pleased with him but that he is also pleased with his Lord. Contentment, complete contentment, satisfaction, complete satisfaction, peace, complete peace. The love of God is his food at this stage and he drinks deep at the fountain of life. Sorrow and defeat do not overwhelm him and success does not find him in vain and exulting.
Peace!
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I think Apple Pie is wrestling with concepts he has no real experience with. Perhaps he isn't aware that Arab Christians also pray to "Allah".
Regards.
exactly right bro
in fact Allah is written in the Arabic Bible when referred to God
did you read Ahmad Didaat book "What is His Name?"
Peace
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Peace Apple pie,
Put some effort into your salvation.... roll
Put some effort into ur research.
Dont see what is shown to u, but seek for urself.Done.
Ur posts show quite clearly that u have no idea what muslims believe in.
What matters is what is stated in the book of faith of Muslims - which is 99% Biblical material.
How Islam interperprets their Biblical origins is a secondary event.
All u seem to be doing is trying ur best to paint a false picture.(well, I dont blame u. It appears u have been spoon fed with false information).
My position is based upon firm research, of which, even the "learned" in this forum are completely unable to refute.
Anyways, This isnt about christianity vs Islam. Its about truth, and one's understanding of it.
Who ever said that it was....?
Well u see, U r clearly wasting ur time.
Not at all...
Most of us here seek truth and understanding for ourselves.
Is this before, after, or during a session of Cat Stevens....
And we dont have blind beliefs. So, these false tactics wont work with us.
Your beliefs should be fully verifiable in the classic Arabic of your book of faith.
Are they...?
Here's what we believe in short
-we believe in one supreme God, who has no form or shape.- we believe in righteousness as our requirement of living our religion.
Where is this stated in your book of faith?
Here's a suggestion for u For a period, I'd suggest u let go of ur faith & its teachings, and live life contemplating on life and our creator. Just let go of all those things that u have been taught and preached, and just live, observe and contemplate.
U will find the answers for urself, during and after .Unless u r too scared to do that.
And then believe in what u understand and realise. Life gives u the truth, the answers. Just look for it in silence.Done.
''Believe nothing on the faith of traditions,
even though they have been held in honor
for many generations and in diverse places.
Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it.
Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past.
Do not believe what you yourself have imagined,
persuading yourself that a God inspires you.
Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests.
After examination, believe what you yourself have tested
and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.''- Buddha
Peace!
Where is "Buddha" mentioned in your book of faith....?
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The correct concept of the God is that He exists and is singular. Anything else is a word game.
Regards.
Please explain the plurality at the Throne in sura 81 for us...
Or.....just run away from the question....as usual.... lol
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Hi Apple pie,
Here's what we believe in short
-we believe in one supreme God, who has no form or shape.- we believe in righteousness as our requirement of living our religion.
Where is this stated in your book of faith?
O, well, like I said u have no clue, dont u?
Read Quran before arguing then.''Believe nothing on the faith of traditions,
even though they have been held in honor
for many generations and in diverse places.
Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it.
Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past.
Do not believe what you yourself have imagined,
persuading yourself that a God inspires you.
Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests.
After examination, believe what you yourself have tested
and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.''- Buddha
Where is "Buddha" mentioned in your book of faith....?
And also apply some ''common sense''. )
Peace!
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Hi Apple pie,
Here's what we believe in short
-we believe in one supreme God, who has no form or shape.- we believe in righteousness as our requirement of living our religion.
Where is this stated in your book of faith?
O, well, like I said u have no clue, dont u?
Read Quran before arguing then.Your assertion.
Your proof.
''Believe nothing on the faith of traditions,
even though they have been held in honor
for many generations and in diverse places.
Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it.
Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past.
Do not believe what you yourself have imagined,
persuading yourself that a God inspires you.
Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests.
After examination, believe what you yourself have tested
and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.''- Buddha
Where is "Buddha" mentioned in your book of faith....?
And also apply some ''common sense''.
Peace!
Appears that you blend whatever feels right to you..... wink
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
Sorry, I was away from forum all weekend. Quickly, you asked me why I quote from thsi book caled "Koran" while my guidance is the universe. The answer is that this is what this site was designed for, study and debate of the "Koran".
However, you will see me quote several books and philosophies all over this forum.
I dont realy have any interest in reading all of the posts that transpired from my last response on page 1. I will just ask, what does 666 mean to you. I want to see what kind of guidance you get from it compared to what I stated.
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
I will just ask, what does 666 mean to you. I want to see what kind of guidance you get from it compared to what I stated.
Welcome back?
Hope that you had a pleasant time off.
Revelation tells us of two beasts.
One from the sea, and one from the earth.
Amazingly, as it is, the Koran (which is ~50% Biblical Book of Revelation material), also mentions these two beasts.
The first beast represents Satan.
The second beast represents mankind.
666 represents mankind, and is tied to the second beast, from the Earth
This is not one man - but the whole of mankind that is under the influence of the devil, either by thought or deed (i.e. the ?mark? on their forehead or hand).
There are Muslims out there that give absolutely zero credit to the Biblical Book of Revelation, when, in fact, nearly the entire book (if not the total book) is strewn across the pages of the Koran in a hap-hazard fashion.
Makes the detective work a little more rewarding when the 1,000 piece puzzle has to be put back together after it was put in the Islamic box and shaken-up?.
Hope this helps?
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lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
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lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
Is this the best you can offer...7 Biblical smiles...?
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lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
Is this the best you can offer...7 Biblical smiles...?
sorry what you said was so funny, and sorry for the 7 Biblical smiles, I meant only 6 each one representing a day and a night, you know in the beginning thingy
lol lol lol lol lol lol
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lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
Is this the best you can offer...7 Biblical smiles...?
sorry what you said was so funny, and sorry for the 7 Biblical smiles, I meant only 6 each one representing a day and a night, you know in the beginning thingy
lol lol lol lol lol lol
You mean the "6-day creation" account that the authors of the Koran attempted to copy from the un-impeachable Genesis account...?
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There are Muslims out there that give absolutely zero credit to the Biblical Book of Revelation, when, in fact, nearly the entire book (if not the total book) is strewn across the pages of the Koran in a hap-hazard fashion.
Peace Apple Pie,
You still haven't got it.
4143 What is said to you is precisely what was said to the previous messengers. Your Lord possesses forgiveness, and He also possesses painful retribution.
All messengers bring the same message.
There is nothing NEW about the Koran or Islam. It's the real thing, and always has been.
The fact that you see corrupted fragments of genuine material in amongst the rape, anthropomorphism, incest, and corruption of the biblical texts is proof of the above verse.
Regards.