What really is Dome of the Rock?
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Salam "mz357",
Instead of idol worshipping saudis , you want idol worshipping quran alone muslims? hey jonny! worshipping a white idol ???
Sorry but You are lost like the saudis . I reckon.
Gods Blessings.
JK- As i said before nobody worships the cubical structure kaabah. FACING/FOCUSING towards a building while making contact prayer is a DISCIPLINARY ACT and NOT idol worship. If it were then was Rashad Khalifa an idol worshipper too, who spent all his life promoting Quran alone, discovered code-19 which made this clear and was the foremost Quran Aloner of our time??! Does this make sense? GOD Bless!
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Peace bmbmm,
Why a dome is built on top of rocks, has it got anything to do with Islam. I agree that the place is probably Bakka, mentioned in the Quran. I want to know more...any help?
Apparently the 'rock' is where Abraham was about to sacrifice his son in reaction to the recurring dream he had. If correct, that would make the rock 'maqam Ibrahim' which is mentioned in the Scripture as being related to the shrine/sanctuary.
Jonny,
The dome in Jerusalem cannot be the "kaaba" GOD is talking abou in the Quran. It is not a cube, not to mention being an almost perfect cube. he only nearly perfect cube place o prostration i know off in the world is the bulding known as "masjidul haraam" and "kaaba" in Mecca.
Are your ankles (Kaabain mentioned in 56) an 'almost perfect cube'?
I would say that the word means a shape with '4' sides and not a 'cube' as you mentioned. If so, then the Dome fits that description as it is situated on an elevated platform with 4 sides (also known as the 'temple mount').
http//www.bibleplaces.com/images/Temple_Mount_aerial_tb_n031900.jpg
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Salam,
peace,
jonny, when you say perfect cube, what do you mean exactly?
The "Kabba" is cuboid, NOT a perfect cube.
JK- Notice that i said NEARLY perfect cube. Lets put it this way. The kaaba is the most cube like structure COMPARED to all other religious buildings. Theres no opther religious building or place of prostration which looks more cube like. Thats my point. GOD Bless!
Peace,
And that "NEARLY" is a sign to any who understand.
The ancient Egyptians were able to build pyramids of astonishing precision - a feat still not completely understood. Perfect square pyramids.
And the so called 'kaaba' is a less than perfect rectangular parallelepiped even though it is made of a straightforward brick construction.
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Salam "Layth",
Does an ankle have four sides? I dont think so. The dome as you say is elevated on four sides while the kaaba HAS four sides. So once again th
e simplest understanding of the word kaaba refers to the building in Mecca as was RK's understanding as well. GOD Bless! -
Salam "truth",
Peace,
And that "NEARLY" is a sign to any who understand.
The ancient Egyptians were able to build pyramids of astonishing precision - a feat still not completely understood. Perfect square pyramids.
And the so called 'kaaba' is a less than perfect rectangular parallelepiped even though it is made of a straightforward brick construction.
JK- My claim hasnothing to do with humans building perfect or near perfect cubes. This is just how it came about to be. Important is the refernce of the word kaaba which can be to no other than the building in Mecca according to the simplest understanding. That is the MOST cubical religios building COMPARED to all others HENCE it is MOST PROBABLY the one which is emant by the word "kaaba". Simple. GOD Bless!
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Peace Jonny,
Does an ankle have four sides? I dont think so.
Then why did you selectively chose the defintion of 'cube' for the word 'kaaba'? You are saying that the ankles (kabaain) are not even 4 sided...Does that make the word closer or further to the meaning you gave?
The dome as you say is elevated on four sides while the kaaba HAS four sides. So once again the simplest understanding of the word kaaba refers to the building in Mecca as was RK's understanding as well. GOD Bless!
All I will say on this is please study the words 'Masjid Haram' and 'Bayt Haram'...Do you see them as being one in the same? If so, how are all people being called to the 'Bayt' for Hajj, while the idolators are 'forbidden' from entering the 'Masjid'? How are the people supposed to enter the 'Bayt' while they are to face the 'Masjid' for the Salat?
Questions to ponder before repeating RK's mistakes.
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It should be noted that the Dome of the Rock area or the wailing walla area didn't look anything like it does today at the time of Muhammad or before him. Infact its probably not even where the original jewish temple was. Thinking its the shrine of Abraham mentioned in the Quran would be pure speculation. So we should be careful.
Refer to the following articles
http//www.templemount.org/radarir.html - Possible origins.
http//askelm.com/temple/t000601.htm - Original Temple location.I've mentioned before, but if we are to actually search for the shrine of Abraham Bakka Valley in Lebanon would be a good place to start.
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Peace Riz,
I've mentioned before, but if we are to actually search for the shrine of Abraham Bakka Valley in Lebanon would be a good place to start.
Bakka valley is pronounced 'Baqeea' (with a 'qaaf') so it has nothing to do with the 'Bakka' mentioned in the Scripture.
It should be noted that the Dome of the Rock area or the wailing walla area didn't look anything like it does today at the time of Muhammad or before him. Infact its probably not even where the original jewish temple was. Thinking its the shrine of Abraham mentioned in the Quran would be pure speculation. So we should be careful.
I have pointed out before (perhaps on another thread) that there is archeological evidence for the existance of a structure on that site before the time of Mohammed (one was thermal imaging that was done on the site, the other is the Roman records from before Jesus that indicate a Temple exisiting on the site and even upgraded during the time of Herod.)
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Salam "layth",
Then why did you selectively chose the defintion of 'cube' for the word 'kaaba'? You are saying that the ankles (kabaain) are not even 4 sided...Does that make the word closer or further to the meaning you gave?
JK- Theres a difference between "ka'ab" and it's female form "ka'abah(with a ha at the end)". Changing a male word to female form can change the meaning drastically. Another example would be "daqeeq" and "daqeeqah" of which the first means "flour" while the second means "hour". Can we see a relation here? I dont hink so. "kaabah" means "cube".
All I will say on this is please study the words 'Masjid Haram' and 'Bayt Haram'...Do you see them as being one in the same? If so, how are all people being called to the 'Bayt' for Hajj, while the idolators are 'forbidden' from entering the 'Masjid'? How are the people supposed to enter the 'Bayt' while they are to face the 'Masjid' for the Salat?
JK- No but i see Masjidul-Haram and Ka'abah in the same verse. But i see no problem of the bayt referring to the Ka'abah as well. You say "how are the PEOPLE being called to the bayt while the idolators are...". Well in the context GOD is calling the BELIEVING PEOPLE to Hajj and NOT just all people. Do you think GOD calls idolators to the bayt? I dont think so. GOD Bless!
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When Juds was appointed by Allah to lead men of the earth as khalifa (from Moses to Yesus), Dome of Rock is a center of men worshipness as capital city of khalifa, Jerusalem was the same word and meaning of Darusalam.
But Allah doth call to the Home of Peace (darussalam) He doth guide whom He pleaseth to a Way that is straight.
But after the fall of Solomo (Sulayman) Jerusalem which was described as the Wife of God, making adultery with idiologies of Egyptians, Greece, Assyirians( Ezekiel 16 (all verses)), so the old Testament was ended thereafter. And the Juds was punished, only after they making lamentations the Juds was taken into power again leads by Yesus who was making New Testament but he was then traited by Juds again. That was the ending of empire of Ishaq family, which after words emerge the power of Ismael familiy lead by Muhammad whose making his center of worshipness at Mecca where Ka'bah was made as symbol of Muhammad empire.
But Muhammad empire was downed by Mongolians, the khalifa wa ended there after. The Old testament made by childern of Ismael was ended. There for we have to make New testament to make Islam as khalifa again.
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Salam, I thought this article did a good job of explaining the concept, establishing the Temple Mount as the area in question.
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/quranic/hajj.htm
Please forgive my ignorance if this has been discussed to death, I am pretty new at this.
DCS
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JK- No but i see Masjidul-Haram and Ka'abah in the same verse. But i see no problem of the bayt referring to the Ka'abah as well. You say "how are the PEOPLE being called to the bayt while the idolators are...". Well in the context GOD is calling the BELIEVING PEOPLE to Hajj and NOT just all people. Do you think GOD calls idolators to the bayt? I dont think so. GOD Bless!
The "messenger RK" forgot to read the ayat carefully, it would seem.
And proclaim the Pilgrimage among HUMANKIND they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; (22/26)
I wonder why Ibrahim didn't tell this to Rashad when Rashad visited him during his night journey?
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Salam "mquran",
The "messenger RK" forgot to read the ayat carefully, it would seem.
And proclaim the Pilgrimage among HUMANKIND they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; (22/26)
I wonder why Ibrahim didn't tell this to Rashad when Rashad visited him during his night journey?
JK- That is correct , ALL MANKIND IS TO BE INFORMED TO GO FOR THE PILGRIMAGE but whether they do it, and hence becoming believers, or they dont, thus remaing rejectors, is up to them. This is the sense RK, myself and many others clearly concluded from the above and other such verses. Last but not least, YES, i do believe the above Quranic Prophecy will repeat itself as it did in Muhammad's time when all true Quran Alone Muslims will come for the pilgrimage to the Ka'bah in peace and the idolators would be defeated GW. GOD Bless!
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JK- That is correct , ALL MANKIND IS TO BE INFORMED TO GO FOR THE PILGRIMAGE but whether they do it, and hence becoming believers, or they dont, thus remaing rejectors, is up to them. This is the sense RK, myself and many others clearly concluded from the above and other such verses. Last but not least, YES, i do believe the above Quranic Prophecy will repeat itself as it did in Muhammad's time when all true Quran Alone Muslims will come for the pilgrimage to the Ka'bah in peace and the idolators would be defeated GW. GOD Bless
Lol, and you AND your messenger failed to read al-quraan properly there , 'johnny-k'.
Look at the ayat again
And proclaim the Pilgrimage among HUMANKIND they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; (22/26)
Does it say they will become believers or only part of them will turn up ? No, HUMANKIND itself will come.Lets not play assumption games here. Your messenger already told you most of mankind wont believe (12/103) and most of the believers believe with shrik (12/106). Yet they respond to the call.
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Salam "mquran",
I dont understand why unbelieving people would come to the pilgrimage. It doesnt make any sense unless they decide to believe. Regarding the majority argument, that is most probably confined to the HEART BELIEF or real intention. There would surely be a time when almost all people oin earth would OUTWARDLY CLAIM to be believing in Quran Alone but who knows whats in therir hearts. Get it? GOD Bless!
