Is Alcohol Forbidden?
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Peace Damon,
Oh well, that's life I guess. I am sure a guy like me has no place here. You guys can have it. And I imagine that I have more than warn out my welcome here.
Hey bro, pleeeeeeeease don't go. We miss you around here and this place needs your input. there
If you go, then I'm gonna stick a pin in my eye.Peace,
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If I am committing a sin just because I drink alcohol..than hell I am gonna put up a fight with my creator..D may be I will drive Him/It nuts and have a toast at the end..d hehehe After all we are friends..)
shanti/peace
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my post got deleted and can't be bothered typing it again but here's the summary for sarah
- Nobody takes anything lightly here ... haven;t you seen all the fights.
- Out of a 1000+ registered members only a few are regular posters so you aint getting the full picture.
- there are many here on the same wavelength as you, and as it happens I agree with you on this issue.
Asalamu alaikum
Anyway sorry if I offended anyone, it wasn?t my intention I just felt like putting my 2cents worth. May Allah swt guide us to do good.
Asalamu alaikum
don't worry I do it all the time.
Don't be afraid to post you point of view.
peace.
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Yes burhan_21 I seen the fights. What I meant was people take "practising" lightly, from what I've seen.. well thats the picture I get anyway. I guess I'm not getting the full picture ) I need to read more into things.
Well im glade you agree ) thanks for the commentsAsalamu alaikum
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peace everyone,
i dont believe anything is forbidden. I believe the quran to be a guide sent by God, and it contains some undeniable truths. Like 'there is only one God'. Denying those truths is a real sin. The rest is advice from God to us. We don't have to follow it. But if we do follow it, things will be easier for us. Because you either learn things the hard way, by experiencing something, or you can have someone who has experienced it to teach you something about it. And that's what usually happens with people.
And the quran is the best guidance for us because it is backed up by those undeniable truths. So, if we eat the meat of pigs, or steal, we won't go to hell for it, but doing those things will take us farther from the truth and being successful in this life.And also, before we label something a 'sin.' we must realize that nothing is black and white. everything's grey (or gray).
Just thought i'd sum up my views on this.
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As Salaam Alaikum Phoenix1,
but its not, is it?
that's because humans are capable of understanding right from wrong. People know what's better for them and what's not. Most people don't follow the quran's teachings. I don't see much disorder among them.When Allah says, "Forbidden for you to eat..." what does that mean? That's not advice, that's a command.
salaam
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peace
yes, it is sort of a command, but you don't need to follow it. There's no compulsion remember?
I see Islam as a set of rules, a system, God has given us to make this life easier for us. For example, you have to take a test that i created for you. And i give you a set of rules to follow and say that if you follow those rules, you will get a perfect score on the test. So in those rules, i might tell you to avoid certain things and do certain things. But that doesn't mean that if you don't follow my rules, you won't get a perfect score on the test. You can, but my system will make it easier for you to do it.Also, i think that if people learn from their experiences, which is the only way to truly learn, they end up following a similar path to what God has described in the quran. Because if we choose to abuse drugs, we will find out that its not the best way to stay healthy, and try to stop. The same with gambling.
That's just my understanding, though.
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Hi Phoenix,
Also, i think that if people learn from their experiences, which is the only way to truly learn, they end up following a similar path to what God has described in the quran. Because if we choose to abuse drugs, we will find out that its not the best way to stay healthy, and try to stop. The same with gambling..
People do learn from experience but there are more better ways to learn. From truth/reality. U dont necessarily have to try drugs to know they are harmful. U can see it around u and u can learn so from so many facts. So, experiences need not be personal at all. Its more worthwhile if u learn from truth/reality, than wait around to learn from ur own experience, coz by then, it may become too late to revert, and there may be some irreversible damage.
Peace!
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peace
yes, it is sort of a command, but you don't need to follow it. There's no compulsion remember?
It IS a commandment brother not sort of. Of course there is no compulsion in The Gods system but I wouldn't follow my own ego and the devil as I would thus be committing shirk.
I see Islam as a set of rules, a system, God has given us to make this life easier for us. For example, you have to take a test that i created for you. And i give you a set of rules to follow and say that if you follow those rules, you will get a perfect score on the test. So in those rules, i might tell you to avoid certain things and do certain things. But that doesn't mean that if you don't follow my rules, you won't get a perfect score on the test. You can, but my system will make it easier for you to do it.
I don't agree with your analogy for the simple fact that there are commandments in the Quran which if not folowed you will not pass the test such as NOT associating partners with God.
I do believe though someone can attain Paradise without the Quran but personally I think thats very difficult as The God says in the Quran that the majority of the people that believe do so while being idolaters.
PEACE
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As a Muslim, I do not condone the consumption of alcohol. However, if you are set in your ways even after reviewing the Quranic evidence, there is nothing that I can do to sway your opinion. However, although some of you might perceive alcohol to be permissible, please remember the laws of your city, state, or country in regards to legal age and driving while under the influence. Remember that you will have to answer to God for all of your actions. Personally, I would rather be safe than sorry.
DCS
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Hi all,
please remember the laws of your city, state, or country in regards to legal age and driving while under the influence. Remember that you will have to answer to God for all of your actions. Personally, I would rather be safe than sorry.
Its not just driving and accidents. If one gets drunk to the extent of loosing his sense, there is more likelihood of him committing many more crimes such as physical abuse, murder, rape etc. Its a well known fact that most of domestic abuse is associated with alcohol.
Peace!
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It IS a commandment brother not sort of. Of course there is no compulsion in The Gods system but I wouldn't follow my own ego and the devil as I would thus be committing shirk.
i'm not following my own ego, this is my understanding based on the quran.
And the fact that anyone can achieve paradise without the quran as guidance proves my point. You don't need those 'commands' to succeed, but its better for you if you do. -
i'm not following my own ego, this is my understanding based on the quran.
And the fact that anyone can achieve paradise without the quran as guidance proves my point. You don't need those 'commands' to succeed, but its better for you if you do.Me and you are blessed to have the Quran and knows its from The God.
If you know the Quran is from The God what problem do you have with following The Gods commandments stated in it. I appreciate there's no compulsion in The Gods system BUT when guidance has come and we turn our back to follow our own interpretations that have no quranic basis then that is stepping the line.
PEACE
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peace
I appreciate there's no compulsion in The Gods system BUT when guidance has come and we turn our back to follow our own interpretations that have no quranic basis then that is stepping the line.
there is no line. That's the whole point. You have choice whether you want to follow it or not. All i know is that i am following it. Whether someone else wants to or not is their choice.
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peace
I appreciate there's no compulsion in The Gods system BUT when guidance has come and we turn our back to follow our own interpretations that have no quranic basis then that is stepping the line.
there is no line. That's the whole point. You have choice whether you want to follow it or not. All i know is that i am following it. Whether someone else wants to or not is their choice.
Christans, Jews and every other religion followers claim to be following the true path. How do you know you are following the true path??How do I know I am following the true path?? We both can come to a common agreement and agree Quran is the word of The God. If I come to you and say The God allows me to ignore his laws stated in the Quran and I choose my own laws to follow. Then if you ask me to prove it using the Quran and I say all I know is that i am following it whether someone else wants to or not I believe is going astray and is blinded.
Remember the Quran is the furqan - criteria. Also note how each nation in the Quran was destroyed for following their lusts/desires and not sticking to the laws The God had sent down. Therefore I do believe there is a line which The God gives punishment as a wake up call.
PEACE
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Err to much to keep up maybe I'm just lazy I'm not bothered reading it all.. just skimmed though I totally disagree with you phoenix1 . You see non muslims and think they aint too bad! mate I dont get it. God gave you the law and you're choosing to follow or not to follow. Isnt that a form of kifr? abandoning the God given law? for your own means? own desires? own wants.
If the Quran is just advice and you dont need to follow any of it just believe there is a God then heck why the hell have rules? lets take over the world lets be cruel thats do all the things "bad" as percevied by others but who cares were allowed.. dude that mentality is wrong, kinda reminds me of the christians "just believe in jesus as the saviour and you will be forgiven he would have died for your sins now go my child goo and live" like bleh!
Sorry I didnt meant to offend or be harsh maybe i was abit blunt sorry but honestly if there is no rules there is choas you cant deny that. where did morals come from? where did guilt come from? Religion teachers you to do good and practise good and KEEP AWAY from bad. not to avoid it if you wish but you can do it.. if thats your idea then in your world there is no such thing as "sin" or "wrong" which doesnt make sense
forgive me but i think you should reconsider your views