How can a Camel pass through a needle?
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Peace be upon you,
A camel cant pass through the eye of a needle, thats the point?
Opps, did I say that already?
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Summary of 81.19
Innahu laqawlu rasoolin kareemin
Good, you pronounced it right, did you do it, or you just copied it then pasted it?
81.19 Certainly His Word is a Holy message.
I guess this is the proposed translation by you to 8119, thank you for that, let?s now examine your translation word for word
? ?, and you translated it as ?Certainly His Word is?, oh please AP, you can fool a non Arabic speaker, but what makes you think that you can fool an Arabic speaker like me?, well here is your first lie, the verse never related the ?Qawlu? to any entity, why the hell you added ?his? to it?, this is how it should be ? Most surely it is the Word of?
1 lie lost, 2 lies left
? ? and you translated it as ?message?, LOL bro, I guess with this one you can?t even fool the NON Arabic speakers because they know very well what ?Rasoolin? imeans, which surely means Messenger, and to translate it as ?Message? has to be considered a clear cut lie
2 lies lost, 1 lie left
? ? and you translated it as ?a Holy?, bro what non sense is this, that makes you hallucinate thinking there is sense in what you post?, the Arabic word MUST be translated as ?An honoured?
You?ve just lost your last lie bro, bad luck
Let?s recap your lies
You translated the following Arabic verse
To this
Certainly His Word is a Holy message
BUT IT SHOULD BE
?Most surely it is the Word of an honored messenger?
Your 3 clear cut lies are highlighted in red and the correct translation are highlighted in blue
As I said AP, you are allowed 3 lies only per comment, and you consumed it all in a sentence that is 6 words, wow this means 50% of what you say is nothing but lies, this is no good bro, you will look very bad like this, I?m sure you lost creditability already, I tell you what bro, try to be honest and you may gain it back, did Santa come to you this Xmas?, I'm sure Santa does not visit liars, can you please confirm?
The rest of you comment MUST be ignored bro, too many lies by you and I hate dialoguing with liars
Peace be with you
Let?s look?
= ?inna?
?inna? definition
One of the particles which annul the quality of the inchoative it is a corroborative particle, corroborating the predicate; governing the subject in the accusative case and the predicate in the nominative case; and may generally be rendered by verily, or certainly, or the like; exactly agreeing with the Greek ?hoti?, as used in Luke 7.16 and in many other passages in the New Testament; though it often seems to be nothing more than a sign of inception, which can hardly be rendered at all in English; unless in pronunciation, by laying stress upon the predicate, or upon the copula. It must be used when it occurs inceptively, having nothing before it upon which is syntactically dependent, with respect to the wording or meaning.
References
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 103 - 111
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur?an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 35= ?hu?
?hu? definition
An indeclinable affixed personal or possessive pronoun of third person singular masculine; when affixed to a verb or preposition as a person pronoun, it means him or it; and when to a noun as a possessive, his or it. Singular personal or possessive pronoun. Him. Verbal suffix which expresses the accusative.
References
A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 1, p. 100
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 152= ?inna? + ?hu? = ?innahu? = certainly his
= ?la?
?la? definition
A prefixed affirmative particle, verily, surely, certainly, indeed, truly. Prefix an affirmative intensifying particle, used as a corroborative. A preposition denoting possession. It is also used as a preposition expressing attribution, design. Inseparable adverbial particle.
References
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur?an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar pp. 504 - 505
A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 1, p. 282
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 129= ?qawlu?
?qawlu? definition
A saying; something said; and speech, or diction. Saying; saying a word; speech, That which is pronounced or indicated; A sentence or a word. It comes from the root ?qala?, which means He said, or a word signifying at least one complete proposition; or a word signifying a command or the like; or a word significant of a sound; to speak, say, inspire, profess, grasp, point cut, relate, emit an opinion upon, think, answer, reply, transmit, indicate a condition state or circumstance. It is also used to describe the upshot of events without there being actual speech or dialogue.
References
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, pp. 2994 - 2995
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur?an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar pp. 469 - 471= ?la? + ?qawlu? = ?laqawlu? = Word
Occurrences of ?laqawlun? in the Koran 3
Locations 69.40, 81.19, 86.13Observe that 69.40 is an exact replica of 81.19?
69.40 Innahu laqawlu rasoolin kareemin
In context
? Certainly His Word is a Holy message?69.40
? And He is not a poet?s saying?69.41
? And nor a soothsayer?.69.42
? The Revelation, or ?tanzeelun?, from the Lord of the jinn, or genii, and of mankind86.13 Innahu laqawlun faslun
In context
? And/by the clouds He returned?86.11
? And/by the Earth that of the splitting?86.12
? Certainly His Word (is) Judgment?86.13
? And He is not on account of the vain?86.14= ?rasoolin?
?rasoolin? definition
Bringing a message. A message; a letter; a communication sent from one person or party to another, oral or written. One who has a message; a messenger. Envoy; bearer of a message. It comes from the root ?rasila?, which means he, a camel, was, or became, easy in pace. It, hair, became lank, not crisp. Easy, easy in pace. Gentleness; and a deliberate, or leisurely manner of acting or behaving. Camels. Also of horse or horsemen; applied to a company of men as being likened to a drove, or herd, of camels; and also a distinct collection or number of any things. To send a messenger, bestow, let go.
References
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume three, pp. 1081 - 1084
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur?an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 210 - 211Occurrences of ?rasoolin? in the Koran 10
Locations 4.64, 14.4, 15.11, 21.25, 22.52, 36.30, 51.52, 69.40, 72.27, 81.19Observe the message (i.e. Jesus) in the following ayahs?
? The message was sent from allah?51.52
? Certainly His Word is a Holy message?69.40
? The message reveals the secrets of allah?72.27= ?kareemin?
?kareemin? definition
Noble; worthy of respect; honorable; holy; kind; generous; beneficent; gracious; agreeable; fruitful; munificent; fair; grace; rich; respectful. It comes from the root ?karama?, which means to be productive, generous, precious, valuable, honorable, yield (rain). It (a thing) was, or became, highly esteemed or prized or valued; excellent, precious, valuable, or rare; generous quality in a horse.
References
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, pp. 2999 - 3000
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur?an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 483 - 484Occurrences of ?kareemin? in the Koran 8
Locations 26.7, 26.58, 31.10, 36.11, 44.26, 56.44, 69.40, 81.19Thus, as you can verify for yourself, our rendering has infinitely more probability than your totally unreferenced Yusuf Ali knock-off.
Your references are?????.?..non-existent.
You can?t define your terms.
You can?t reference their usage in your book of faith.
You show no context.
You have nothing.
Zero.
Apple Pie wrote
Please show us the Arabic word "allah" in your signature...Mate, give me a hell of a break, will ya?
Behave yourself first and stop lying and I will show it to you
Peace
Again, where is the word ?allah? in your signature?.?
Let us help you out?????.again?.
Its not there.
Please put forth an effort to your replies?
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Ok , see this is what I don't get. so many people tlk about the koran being the word of god, the EXACT word of god, yet everywhere I look, that "word" seems to mean more things than I an count, there fore making it next to impossible for anyone to interpret. then I hear that there is no interpretation needed, but that is all there is. Then of course there is the non stop study and debate of each interpretation. meanwhile, in the end, none of it seems to mean anything more than what has allready been said by so many.
Call me confused, but should faith be based un something that seems to have a basically unstable understanding?
Again, more typos and I apologize. I have a spling on my right ring finger. That is a major handicap, as firefox has yet to upgrade it's spell check extensions for the new version. Please bear with me, I am trying
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Ok , see this is what I don't get. so many people tlk about the koran being the word of god, the EXACT word of god, yet everywhere I look, that "word" seems to mean more things than I an count, there fore making it next to impossible for anyone to interpret. then I hear that there is no interpretation needed, but that is all there is. Then of course there is the non stop study and debate of each interpretation. meanwhile, in the end, none of it seems to mean anything more than what has allready been said by so many.
Call me confused, but should faith be based un something that seems to have a basically unstable understanding?
Again, more typos and I apologize. I have a spling on my right ring finger. That is a major handicap, as firefox has yet to upgrade it's spell check extensions for the new version. Please bear with me, I am trying
Hi
The info posted by AP, is absolute lies and I will respond to his yet another comment full of lies but he will have only one lie this time before I terminate mt reply
There is nothing confusing about the Quran if you inquire with the right and and qualified sources, the most qualification you should look after is professionalism in the Arabic Language
Peace
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Peace Sawtooth,
Ok , see this is what I don't get. so many people tlk about the koran being the word of god, the EXACT word of god, yet everywhere I look, that "word" seems to mean more things than I an count, there fore making it next to impossible for anyone to interpret. then I hear that there is no interpretation needed, but that is all there is. Then of course there is the non stop study and debate of each interpretation. meanwhile, in the end, none of it seems to mean anything more than what has allready been said by so many.
Call me confused, but should faith be based un something that seems to have a basically unstable understanding?
Again, more typos and I apologize. I have a spling on my right ring finger. That is a major handicap, as firefox has yet to upgrade it's spell check extensions for the new version. Please bear with me, I am trying
Hang in there bro. I was down the same path not very long ago, and I experienced the same frustrations. Despite what many would have you believe, the Qur'an is not clear cut, it is not explicit in many of it's concepts, and it does not require mastery of a foreign language.
What I've come to learn and live with, is that the Qur'an is for everyone. That is it's beauty, it's miraculous nature. Just look around this somewhat unified forum and count the variations. This is no accident.
Study the Qur'an at your own pace. Use the tools at your disposal, cross-reference translations, and apply the guidance to your life. Test the knowledge, see if it helps. If it does, you're probably on the right path. Remember, the Qur'an is for you.
In the end, 569 stands out to all believers as the simplest path to evolution of the soul
"Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabiens, and the Nazarenes; whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works, then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve."
Peace,
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To be honest, i have never laid hand on teh book. I have veiwed it on the internet but that is it. I have no real need for it. everything I eed to know, the creator allready gave me. i just have to find the right questions then unlock the right answers. that is MY path. What I do not understand is studying over some book (any book for that matter) to find what has already been made available to every person of every intelectual level, age, culture or geography. Occum' razor. the simplest answer is often the right one. Just look for the simplest answer to your questions. No need even to know how to read
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The info posted by AP, is absolute lies and I will respond to his yet another comment full of lies but he will have only one lie this time before I terminate mt reply
This should be interesting... lol
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Peace Sawtooth,
You stated
To be honest, i have never laid hand on teh book. I have veiwed it on the internet but that is it.
Honesty is the best policy.
I have no real need for it. everything I eed to know, the creator allready gave me.
Do you mean intellectually, or potential?
i just have to find the right questions then unlock the right answers. that is MY path.
How do you know if you've found the right questions?
See, the mind is designed to answer questions. It doesn't reference it's answers, it just answers the questions. The mind requires a criterion to keep it in check. I'm not saying that there is only one criterion, but I am saying that a criterion is necessary. So what is your mind's criterion?What I do not understand is studying over some book (any book for that matter) to find what has already been made available to every person of every intelectual level, age, culture or geography.
To many, that book is the criterion.
Occum' razor. the simplest answer is often the right one.
If the right question is asked wink
Just look for the simplest answer to your questions.
OK, here's a simple question Why does ice float in water?
No need even to know how to read
Nor speak, nor see, nor hear, nor touch, nor feel. What is really needed anyway??
Peace,
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The info posted by AP, is absolute lies and I will respond to his yet another comment full of lies but he will have only one lie this time before I terminate mt reply
This should be interesting... lol
Sure, but when I have some time to waste, you are my last priority to be honest, however in my next comment I will be nice enough to give you an Arabic grammar lesson, possibly you will learn somethin
now be patient please
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tay
What I mean is, that if I ask the right question, the answer will appear before me in the physical creation. It's all there. All you have to do is look, have patience, and be open to receive the answer. Asking "why ice floats" is not a question that will lead me on a greater path, but the fact that ice floats or the simple observation of an ice burg breaking away and floating out to sea may be an answer. See what i mean? you may ask why something happens, I simply look to see THAT it happens and what it has to say -
The info posted by AP, is absolute lies and I will respond to his yet another comment full of lies but he will have only one lie this time before I terminate mt reply
This should be interesting... lol
Sure, but when I have some time to waste, you are my last priority to be honest, however in my next comment I will be nice enough to give you an Arabic grammar lesson, possibly you will learn somethin
now be patient please
Not likely, as you don't know how to reference your postion...
Now....run along....and drive that nice shiny red car of yours....
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Peace Sawtooth,
You stated
What I mean is, that if I ask the right question, the answer will appear before me in the physical creation. It's all there. All you have to do is look, have patience, and be open to receive the answer.
But you still haven't explained what the right question is nor how one knows if the question is right. Can you give me an example of "the right question"?
Asking "why ice floats" is not a question that will lead me on a greater path
How do you know?
the fact that ice floats or the simple observation of an ice burg breaking away and floating out to sea may be an answer. See what i mean? you may ask why something happens, I simply look to see THAT it happens and what it has to say
This is inconsistent with what you said earlier about Occam's Razor and the simplest answer being the correct one. Here, you're choosing not to answer at all, but to observe. And that observation may lead you far from simple.
I have nothing against simple observation, or better worded, observation without judgement. In fact, I'm a strong proponent of this practice, particularly, if one can practice observation without questions and answers, without thought altogether. If this is what you meant by simple answers, then I'd have to agree, but I don't think Occam does.
Peace,
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I cannot give you an example. we all have our own questions and mine will not work for you. We all have a different peice of creation before us so we will not find the answers in the same way or place, BUT will will find the same answers. We were put here with all the tools, directions and guidance we need. it up to us to simply SEE it. the simplest answer is not in analisis, deep long drawn out discussions with yourself and others. The simplest answers to your most seemingly complex questions lie right in front of you, so obvious that we miss them.
To take from a great peice of writing (paraphrasing here) why would god create a color as beautiful as purple if he did not want us to stop and appreciate it?
Next time you have a hard question that needs answering, turn first to creation. look at it simply. see what it is, why it does what, know where it has been where it's going, then look at yourself in it. the answer will be staring you in the face. So simple, yet so exquisite. Within creation are the keys, we have just forgotten how to see them.
this is MY way. I personally believe it possible for it to work for everyone as creation is the one universal that ties EVERYTHING together. We forget that sometimes and spend out time looking for some deeper emotional or personal connection, but creation IS the universal. We all live within it no matter what. I can't tell you how to do it, you just do it. Seek and ye shall find
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PB,
Where is that grammar "lesson" you promised...? wink
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PB,
Where is that grammar "lesson" you promised...? wink
AP
My name is AB not PB
and for the lesson, as I said you are my least priority, but the lesson will be delivered sometime
be patient
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PB,
Where is that grammar "lesson" you promised...? wink
AP
My name is AB not PB
and for the lesson, as I said you are my least priority, but the lesson will be delivered sometime
be patient
Who ever said that we were addressing you....?
We all know that you can't muster a referenced reply.
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PB,
Where is that grammar "lesson" you promised...? wink
AP
My name is AB not PB
and for the lesson, as I said you are my least priority, but the lesson will be delivered sometime
be patient
Who ever said that we were addressing you....?
We all know that you can't muster a referenced reply.
Look liar, you asked for the lesson and there is only one here who is giving you lessons, that one is me, and because you lied again I will keep you waiting for some time beffore I reply to your lies above
also liar you will have that one comment directed to you to expose your lies again when I desire to post it
after that I will never respond to you unless you address me first by "Peace Ahmed"
do you understand?
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PB,
Where is that grammar "lesson" you promised...? wink
AP
My name is AB not PB
and for the lesson, as I said you are my least priority, but the lesson will be delivered sometime
be patient
Who ever said that we were addressing you....?
We all know that you can't muster a referenced reply.
Look liar, you asked for the lesson and there is only one here who is giving you lessons, that one is me, and because you lied again I will keep you waiting for some time beffore I reply to your lies above
also liar you will have that one comment directed to you to expose your lies again when I desire to post it
after that I will never respond to you unless you address me first by "Peace Ahmed"
do you understand?
You're stalling..............................again........
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Got a reply for us yet?.?
How is it that you claim to speak Arabic, and yet you are at a total and complete utter loss at defending your position?
The answers should be right on the tip of your tongue.
What's the matter?.can?t back up your claims?.?
Even ?google? can?t help you out, can it?
Better start stocking-up on your library of classical Arabic references. You are going to need it. Perhaps this is what you are doing right at this very moment. shock
Have fun?