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Why do so many Quran Aloners still use the term "Allah"

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    jonny_k
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    Salam bro "AB",

    Salam Brother Jonny

    I'm sorry bro, I don't care what other language or other religions call Allah in their language if it is not Arabic

    In the Arabic Quran however it clearly tells us that Allah IS A NAME ALONG WITH MANY OTHER NAMES HE HAS, here is my compelling evidence

    23- Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme Glory to Allah! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him.

    JK- This verse doesnt say that "Allah" is a name by any means. "Glory be to GOD" is the phrase and doesnt give a name.

    24- He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

    JK- The verse says "He is GOD/the God" at the beginning and then in the latter part says that "to HIM(i.e. GOD) belong the most beatiful nameS". Hance yes there are many names/attributes belonging to "Allah" but this doesnt make "Allah" itself a name not to mention a personal name. GOD Bless!

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      jonny_k
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      Salam "mquran",

      If Al-quraan is consistent then 'the god' would translate into 'al-ilah', not Allah.

      JK- "Allah" is the conraction of "al-ilah". It is difficult to pronouce to "alifs" like in "al-ilah". Therefore we never see this term in the Quran at all. It's just like "a apple" in English which is wrong. It should be "an apple". GOD Bless!

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        unknownuser
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        Hey Jonney

        It was stated as such "La Ilah Ila Hu" ie, No God But him

        not enough logic bro, sounds like stretching to me because

        Ilah = God

        Allah = Allah

        peace

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          unknownuser
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          Peace

          I also believe the following

          Rab = Ilah = God

          but

          Allah = Allah

          peace

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            jonny_k
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            Peace bro "AB",

            According to the above Arabic verse it is clear that following names are His

            Allah & Al Rahman

            JK- Ok i agree thst "Allah" can also be an attribute. What i disagree is "Allah" being the personal name of GOD. "Alrahman" is also not left as it is in English but translated "Most Beneficial/gracious". It is not a name in that sense. It is an attribute. GOD Bless!

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              unknownuser
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              Salam bro "AB",

              According to the above Arabic verse it is clear that following names are His

              Allah & Al Rahman

              JK- Ok i agree thst "Allah" can also be an attribute. What i disagree is "Allah" being the personal name of GOD. "Alrahman" is also not left as it is in English but translated "Most Beneficial/gracious". It is not a name in that sense. It is an attribute. GOD Bless!

              excuse me bro we use all these names as human names prefixed by "Abd"

              Abd Al Rahman

              Abd Al Rahim

              Abd Al Qidoos

              Abd Al Salam

              Abd Al Malik

              Abd Allah

              Abd Al Aziz

              etc
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              all of Allah names including the name "Allah" are used as such

              now this is important to know that we must be refering to God's names to explicitly associate the self as a slave to Him by using the prefix "Abd" otherwise it may mean Abd to any other god that is defined as a god

              on the other hand we naver have the following name

              Abd Al Ilah

              because it means the Slave of God

              which god in here?

              see, it makes great sense bro

              please submit and concede

              Peace be with you

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                jonny_k
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                Peace bro "AB",
                There was NO "al-ilah" in the old original Arabic. "Allah" is the conraction of "al-ilah". Please try to udnerstand this. Not a single time does the Quran mention "al-ilah". Therefore theres no "abd al-ilah". And "Allah" while being an attribute is NOT the personal name of GOD since there is NO such thing as the personal name of GOD. GOD Bless!

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                  unknownuser
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                  Peace bro "AB",
                  There was NO "al-ilah" in the old original Arabic. "Allah" is the conraction of "al-ilah". Please try to udnerstand this. Not a single time does the Quran mention "al-ilah". Therefore theres no "abd al-ilah". And "Allah" while being an attribute is NOT the personal name of GOD since there is NO such thing as the personal name of GOD. GOD Bless!

                  Bro not every word that starts with Al, means it is the Al "Al Muarafa"

                  all the names other than Allah, you can remove the Al and it will still be valid, EXCEPT ALLAH, if you remove the Al, you will end up with a non sensible word which is "Lah" represented by only two arabic letters "Lam & Ha". and this word does not exist as far as I believe

                  i wonder why you want to change this common kbnoweldge about Allah even before Islam came to existance, your motion is very silly and uncalled for bro, sorry to tell you that

                  Peace

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                    unknownuser
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                    Peace be upon you,

                    Al + Ilah , when combined become Allah (The God).

                    This is a description, JUST LIKE the rest of the descriptions we are given to address the ALL(God).

                    The God says whatever you describe IT as, to IT belongs the BEST descriptions.

                    The God dose not have a NAME like a human. We dont call IT Bob, or Jimmy, etc. To NAME something is to DEFINE something, therefore placing LIMITS on something. Physical objects like humans must be named/defined in order to seperate it from another object. The God is not an object, IT is the SUBJECT or ALL OBJECTS We are all objects of the one sentence (UNI - VERSE).

                    WHen we read "In the description of the God", it is helping us understand that this message is a message that helps us to bring out the "likeness of God" within us. We are purifying ourselves so that the God can manifest itself through our vehicle, this is how we serve the God. The hidden thoughts and the visable vehicle are made to SERVE the manifestation of God on Earth.

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                      unknownuser
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                      Peace be upon you,

                      Al + Ilah , when combined become Allah (The God).

                      This is a description, JUST LIKE the rest of the descriptions we are given to address the ALL(God).

                      Peace bro

                      excuse you man, WHY YOU CHANGED THE WORDS FROM BEST NAMES TO BEST DESCRIPTIONS?

                      the verse never said best description, i guess you made this up

                      for Al-Ilah

                      there is no such thing in arabi that

                      Al + Ilah = Allah

                      because Al + Ilah = Al Ilah

                      did you get it bro?

                      peace

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                        DCS123
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                        Everyone needs to put their petty differences and hair splitting aside. Any true Muslim knows that God judges our intentions. I don't care if you call our creator God, Allah, Dieu, Dios, Elohim, Hashem, or Bob Marley. As long as you believe in the God that revealed the Qur'an and abide by His commands and tenets, names might as well mean nothing. It is sickening to watch so much useless hair splitting take place.

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                          mquran
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                          2-Pac Also I personally agree with jonny the simple reason being is that God is beyond language and therefore we shouldn't limit The God to a simple word if we are to believe that his system/religion is for all of mankind to follow and not selected people in the Middle East who speak Arabic/Aramaic or whatever. Just my 2 cents!!

                          Agreed. There are many paths to Allah. The path I choose, that which uses al-quraan, uses the word 'Allah' and that's how I govern my thoughts. No disrespect to anyone else.

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                            mquran
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                            JohnyJK- Even in the Quran "Allah" is not used as a name or personal god as many believe. We should use the term for GOD of the language which we speak. Ofcourse im not forcing anyone. Thats just my advice. If you wanna be considered terrorists and racists by non-Arabic speakers, which i believe would be the result of doing so, then that's entirely upto you .

                            It might be percieved in that way, correct. That is why I prefer both approaches.

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                              mquran
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                              JK- "Allah" is the conraction of "al-ilah". It is difficult to pronouce to "alifs" like in "al-ilah". Therefore we never see this term in the Quran at all. It's just like "a apple" in English which is wrong. It should be "an apple". GOD Bless!

                              So why isn't al-azeez 'alazeez' ?

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                                unknownuser
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                                Peace mquran. thats a very interesting example. I have a bit of basic arabic,are there any more similiar examples? I have wondered whether allah is a contraction of al-ilah or not. It would be good to see responses from other memebers as well. Then we might get closer to knowing what the word allah could mean. Peace all.

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                                  mquran
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                                  Sorry, my example should be one that starts with an aleef, not an ain.

                                  So my question to Johny why isn't it 'alkhir' but 'al-aakhir'?

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                                    unknownuser
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                                    Hello to all

                                    The irrefutable argument against those who say Allah = Al + Ilah , is this

                                    All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the ?Al? and without the ?Al? to refer to him, EXCEPT ?Allah?, here is an example for 2 names "Al Aziz & Al Hakim", what is importnt to note is when they appeared without the "Al", the name Allah appeared with them lol

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                                    Peace

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      Peace. Thats an interesting point. Any comments from anyone.

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                                        yfn123
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                                        But your name in Japanese would be pronouced as (Ahomedo) or (Ahamedo), or even (Ahameddo)... none of which is any longer Ahmed.

                                        Anwar Azim (--> Anwaru Ajimu)

                                        Hello
                                        and my name Ahmed in Arabic will be Ahmed in English and Ahmed in chinease

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                                          unknownuser
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                                          But your name in Japanese would be pronouced as (Ahomedo) or (Ahamedo), or even (Ahameddo)... none of which is any longer Ahmed.

                                          Anwar Azim (--> Anwaru Ajimu)

                                          Hello
                                          and my name Ahmed in Arabic will be Ahmed in English and Ahmed in chinease

                                          cool

                                          thanks for that, now i kinow my name in japanese

                                          is this how it should be written

                                          I dont know, as i think the japs write top to bottom?

                                          peace

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