100 lashes
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Sister Pm
I don't really get your point?
very strange indeed here is what i told sister samina again
Salam
I wish you all the best with the will of Allah, it is not an easy task btw as well when you reach the full submission state in shaallah, you can't be selective in what should be believed in the Quran and what should not
peace be with you
why you are taking my message to her as negative sister?
come on, give me a break, will ya sister?
thanks
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and havn't i replied to her question regardng the lashes verse?
I guess I did, again sister PM, I don't get your point shock
peace
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Hi Ahmed Bahgat,
Sister Pm
I don't really get your point?
very strange indeed here is what i told sister samina againI wish you all the best with the will of Allah, it is not an easy task btw as well when you reach the full submission state in shaallah, you can't be selective in what should be believed in the Quran and what should not
why you are taking my message to her as negative sister?
come on, give me a break, will ya sister?
Oops! U have misunderstood me.
Relax, Ahmed Bahgat!My reply was directed at ''u cant be selective in what u should believe'.
And I was not being negative. Was just opining on that point. Coz it kind of might mean to say 'u should not question'. That is what I was explaining about. that one should think, reason, analyze before believing or following. No blind beliefs.
No hard feelings, please
Peace!
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Ok sister
I still insist that she can't be selective with the Quran
she can be selective with the hadith, BUT NOT WITH THE QURAN
that was my message and I can't see anything wrong with it, it does not mean that she does not try to understand it, i do encourage her to do, but I was telling her sort of indirectly that some verses can't be understood perfectly and she still has to believe in it
the point i was making indirectly also that if she failed to understand a verse she must still believe in it as a true submitter should, if you check my comment again, you will see that I mentioned a true SUBMITTER will believe blindly in the Quran, and to be honest I believe over 70% of the believers ARE NOT true submitters, a wild guess I should say so you dont come and and ask me where I got that bloody figure from, I mean at least over 50% of the believers are not submitters because simply they dont understand what the difference between a submitter and a believer is
peace
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peace
i have decided not to follow anythin blindly , i will reason with others and with my self then i would follow it .
it is so easy to question a non muslim based on their religion and their scriptures wht abt us ? dont we have the right to question .
i am not question purposely i am question because i am not in peace ,i am disturbed ,i cant just convince myself by tellin tht "no this it ,u have to follow it wether u like it or not " then one verse comes in my mind in which Allah almighty tells us "
91.8. Then He(Allah) showed him(man) what is wrong for him and what is right for him;we know somewhere in our hearts wht is right and wht is wrong
i am not tellin tht giving 100 lashes to the adultere is wrong but deep in my heart i dont even know wether it is right thing to do i just want other peoples coments on thisi am have been praying to Allah to guide to the right path ,ease my difficulties and make my heart clear of all the doubts
pls tell me am i wrong anywhere??????
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i am not being selective in quran .
4726 This is because they have said to those who hate God's revelation, "We shall obey you in some matters." But God knows all their secrets ().
if i were selective abt quran then i wouldnt be askin others opinion on this i would just avoid the verse n not think abt it n just tell my self thts it thts the way it is
but i want to convince myself with this from my heart without any doubt
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peace Ahmed/all,
ahmed wroteA perfect and justified punishment for such crime, and BTW the verse also says that THEY MUST BE LASHED IN PUBLIC
indeed a justified punishment for those who had four wives and many concubines but even then indulged in fornication, but harsh for someone single or with one wife and no concubines. I am not justifying fornication but I think many different factors has to be considered, this punishment needs to be redefined simply because it cannot be carried out now.
peace.
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salam
i am learning the quran and tryin to follow all what it is written in it and praying to Allah almight to guide me to the right path ,
right to now i am in quite a confused state so just tring to remove the doubts from my mindSalam Amina!
Good for you you're trying to make things make sense.I certainly don't think that 100 lashes is a divine commandment, no way Jos?! The reason is that it seriously endangers ones health and life. It is not unusual that people die of 100 lashes in Iran. Would G-d command such a thing?
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Peace be upon you,
Just as I am not in agreement with cutting someones hand for theft, I do not see the justification of lashing someone 100 times. What do you use? How hard do you strike?
Just makes no sense.
The prophet Joseph was near to commiting this crime, one of our examples of high morality!
My humble opinion is that we are being shown how terrible this crime is. But much more reflection must be done on this issue as that is not sufficient as an explanation either, but I dont think the God is instructing us to torture a human for not transcending thier desires.
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salam
brother enquirer had posted the meaning of 100 lashes on this forum only i would like to share this information with all"the word for 100 strikes(jild) can also mean show or witness in arabic
the word jild in arabic can apply to what is brought to witness.(jild also means skin,which is something that can be hidden or witnessed)
100 witnesses(jild) is a phrase which can be used to signify a literal amount or a large amount. In arabic numbers can sometimes be used metaphorically,just like in english several can mean an indeterminate amount like many. An example is in the quran; 'if you ask for their forgiveness 70(sabaeyn) times allah wont forgive the continual wrong-doers'. Now this does not mean literally 70 or that would mean they would be forgiven if i asked 71 times. This shows to me that this 70 just represents a numerous amount of times. Applying this to 100 witnesses would just mean a large amount of people would witness that these people are people who indulge in zina knowingly. This is backed up by the verse stating later that a party of the believers should witness the 'punishment. This is a an example of constructive peer pressure. The verse about the prophets wives and the women from the right hand(for want of a better term) having double or half the punishment(200 or 50 witnesses, if they commit indecency without repenting) reflects the fact that the prophets wives should have more access to the truth while the others have a lesser access to the truth or have other factors relating to there background that demands a lesser peer-pressure."pls comment and give ur views on this thanks
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Peace
It can't make sense if understood this way, bacause the verse is a law, not a comment to mock the believers, also witnesses were used in another verse, in which that 4 of them will be required for a certain bad deed to be proven.
"Igliddohom" means to lash them and the total number of lashes is 100 100 times IN PUBLIC, this is what the verse says regarding the punishment "IN PUBLIC", applying brother enq. understanding will make the verse a joke
peace