The Alcohol debate - new insight.
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excuse me mate, Igtanibuh in 590 is referring to the Rijsun of the Shaitan, but because the 4 deeds were described as such then we should avoide them and avoide anything that is rijsun for that matter, you need to search the Quran for Rijsun and you will see that there are more Rijsun by the devil than the above 4
The subject matter of 5/90 is 'al-khamr' and the other 3, not amalus-shaitaan. They are described as rijsun, yes but they are the subject matter so 'ajtanibuhu' must refer to them.
True but all 4 were put as one muscular category called ?Rijsun? and the Igtinab verb in order tense was referring to a single muscular, THEREFORE IT HAS TO BE REFERRONG TO THE RIJSUN NOT THE OTHER 4, otherwise it has to have ?Hum? at the end, I?m sure you know that, what is your problem then?
to be honest, i found it not interesting to have a religious descussion with you, I actually responded to the comment last night thinking it was from leyla, i was very tired it seems, then this morning I discovered that it is yours, so i can't promise that i will be keen to get you an answer really, sorry
No, of course you won't find it interesting. You're probably used to having 'ajamis' cower over your hegemonic tendencies of being an Arab.
see, that is what I?m talking about, no wonder jax could not give you an atom weight of respect
Remember what you told Joe the Nabi before? You need people to agree with you because you're an Arab and therefore have access.
what load of non sense that was, I never told Joe as such, it seems it is a case of serious twisting by you, but I don?t want to argue with you, I just ignore it as a commonly do with most of your comments now
I'd like to see you in a room with other Arabs and you can discuss what is salaat with them. Lets see what a laugh riot you are then.
Ha ha, as if I will do what you like
Try to think in something that you like but is not related to me please, because I will let you down
Haha, ignornaance at its max, Nasib is the one that means portion, Nasib also means "Qadar", you always impress me with your ignorance with the arabic language because you work hard to show that you know it a to z , but what is funny that you always try to make the arabs look as they are the ignoranst but the truth is surely the contrary
Well, if the Arabs are the authority,
what a load of extra non sense, did I say the Arabs are the Authority?
Again your IQ is really stepping down in here, all I said Mister IQuran, that The Arabic language is the criteria not mine, neither your nor the Arabs, it just happened to be that I?m a professional in Arabic and you are a novice in that language, it also happened to be that Arabic is the language of the last warning to all of us from our God, I guess this is making you jealous or somthin - maybe?
shouldn't you be going to the mosque and praying with them?
I guess you can?t decide to me what I should do, unless you are my wife, but sorry I?m not a homo
Or do you give yourself special authority because of your racist tendencies?
I guess you mean religious authority?, sure I give myself special religious authority, but it is only destined upon myself, not even upon my wife
Why don't you join the Baathist party, Ahmed ?
is that Saddam has been party?
Your feelings will be most appreciated there.
I don?t know what their feelings are, but it seems you know them better than me
your sense, not the Arabic langugae sense
The 'arab language sense' says 'as-salaat' is the ritual. Why don't YOU follow that?
firsly can you explain to me why you wrote it
as-salaat and not al-salaat?
See, it should be al-salaat , it is just a case of the Lam in Al is being silent
Can you see the ignorance?
I guess the word " " in 1548, should mean "a portion" to you
Good point. I need to look this up. I don't have 'nsb' figured yet but that ok because I'm not an Arab fascist who has to prove myself to anyone.
cool, take all the time you wish, I?m in no rush
regarding the arab fascist comment, neither I?m
By the way, where did you get the al-quraan in textual form? I'd love to quote it here.
http//quran.muslim-web.com/
Ahmed Also Leyla, if you are upset by my style regarding Mquran, I'm sorry this the only way I found to suit his style after knowing him better, I actualy used to respect his opinions when I joined, but that is not the case any more, sorry this is my honest feelings twards his opinions that degarde muslims and the arabs
Ahmed, if you weren't such a rude person, you would find the most questionable comment from me to you would be 'i disagree'.
if you think I?m rude, then fine, it is all relative as you know, but what I found in you that you never admit your mistakes although I can assure you, you have many
But you can't take disagreement because, lets face it, you're here to show what a great guy you are.
I?m not here to show how a great guy I?m, I really careless how remote humans will judge me, I?m only here to show what I know about the Arabic Quran that took me 25 years to achieve, no one will take this from me but Allah, you want to learn something then read my comments with respect, you start to comment in sarcasm, you will only have these sorts of comments as replies from me, very simple equation in my book, no offence though, it is just a matter of not wasting time after I passed 40 and not much left to me before I meet Allah and give my account
You can't stand non-arabs questioning your authority.
as I said I have no religious authority over any one, I provide compelling evidence and most of the non Arabs provide are loads of non sense, discrepancies, and even jokes
In short, you're a 'sunni' not of sunnah ,
back again to your old trick that only the Quran aloners resort to when they run out of Ammo, LOL cool if you think I?m then please continue thinking that I?m
but of the Arabic language. Remember how shocked you were when I questioned the authority of your Arabic sources?
shocked?
What a load of rubbish that was mate, LOL
Again you questioned something that didn?t exist, you may need to go back to your drawing board
Because THAT'S your furqaan, NOT al-quraan.
LOL
Thanks again for the laugh
You don't mind sentencing al-quraan to be a BOOK OF HISTORY just because your arabic ahbaar told you so. If you don't think you can have a good discussion with me,
Arabic Ahbaar !!
Hahahaha
That was really funny mate
It seems you know everything about my life, do you work in the CIA or somthin?
that's cool but bear in mind,
cool
i dont start out by saying things like 'thats laughable', 'you're ignorant' etc. All that came from YOU.
well, if it offends you, I?m sincerely sorry, I?m a free man and I like saying what I want within limits and I know my limits
sorry again mate
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PEACE
Brother AhmedBahgat and MQuran Its very sad reading these little insults back and forth, back and forth. It ruins the topic for other people reading it.
I ain't taking sides but your bother adults and responsible for your tongue and brains so be careful guys!!!
I know things can get heated up and I've been there and done that but in the words of brother idolfree......control your emotions and don't let it overrule your mind.....let your mind control your emotions wink (I hope I got that right brother idolfree lol)
PEACE
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Peace bro "AB",
Peace
now this is great, we have a verse in the Quran that says there will be rivers of Khamr, hence there will be rivers of what covers our mind
makes great sense indeed, but I don't want to go to that garden with rivers of things that will cover my mind
peace
JK- Yes this was indeed a point which i couldnt grasp very well before too. But "khamr" must be referring to ALL mind covering substances otherwise we could say "well if not wine then lets take whisky(corn alcohol), heroin or other drugs and enjoy ourselves". Now i thought how could GOD leave out such a crucial point. And just like you 4715 gave me trouble until i realized that the state of paradise is entirely different. Over there we would have no more jealousy of each other which could lead us to fight, mirder, etc according to
We will remove all jealousy from their hearts. Rivers will flow beneath them, and they will say, "GOD be praised for guiding us. We could not possibly be guided, if it were not that GOD has guided us. The messengers of our Lord did bring the truth." They will be called "This is your Paradise. You have inherited it, in return for your works."
Thus a river of mind soothing NARCOTICS, AND YES ILL SAY IT AGAIN, NARCOTICS IN HEAVEN, WONT MATTER NO MORE. On the contrary they would be pleasing and it would be party forever, the party of the believers GW, "Peace!". What we must understand is that what seems wrong here on earth IS NOT SO IN ABSOULTE BUT RELATIVE TERMS, relative to the conditions which we are in. GOD Bless! -
PEACE
Brother AhmedBahgat and MQuran Its very sad reading these little insults back and forth, back and forth. It ruins the topic for other people reading it.
I ain't taking sides but your bother adults and responsible for your tongue and brains so be careful guys!!!
I know things can get heated up and I've been there and done that but in the words of brother idolfree......control your emotions and don't let it overrule your mind.....let your mind control your emotions wink (I hope I got that right brother idolfree lol)
PEACE
Peace brother
I already apologised to him, and I promise you I will not do it again
Peace
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Peace bro "AB",
Peace
now this is great, we have a verse in the Quran that says there will be rivers of Khamr, hence there will be rivers of what covers our mind
makes great sense indeed, but I don't want to go to that garden with rivers of things that will cover my mind
peace
JK- Yes this was indeed a point which i couldnt grasp very well before too. But "khamr" must be referring to ALL mind covering substances otherwise we could say "well if not wine then lets take whisky(corn alcohol), heroin or other drugs and enjoy ourselves". Now i thought how could GOD leave out such a crucial point. And just like you 4715 gave me trouble until i realized that the state of paradise is entirely different. Over there we would have no more jealousy of each other which could lead us to fight, mirder, etc according to
We will remove all jealousy from their hearts. Rivers will flow beneath them, and they will say, "GOD be praised for guiding us. We could not possibly be guided, if it were not that GOD has guided us. The messengers of our Lord did bring the truth." They will be called "This is your Paradise. You have inherited it, in return for your works."
Thus a river of mind soothing NARCOTICS, AND YES ILL SAY IT AGAIN, NARCOTICS IN HEAVEN, WONT MATTER NO MORE. On the contrary they would be pleasing and it would be party forever, the party of the believers GW, "Peace!". What we must understand is that what seems wrong here on earth IS NOT SO IN ABSOULTE BUT RELATIVE TERMS, relative to the conditions which we are in. GOD Bless!I agree with that bro, that In heaven there are thngs that we can't imagine, what I meant that the Khamr in partadise was specifically mentioned and described as being sweet for the drinkers, does not give us headche nor we will loose our minds,
it will look exactly the same as we see it in this life but its properties is different, one property will stay the same though which is being a drinkable liquid
also the fruits in the garden will look the same as the fruits we know but it will be totally different in properties, the Quran told us as such as you know
Peace be with you mate
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Peace bro "AB",
I agree with that bro, that In heaven there are thngs that we can't imagine, what I meant that the Khamr in partadise was specifically mentioned and described as being sweet for the drinkers, does not give us headche nor we will loose our minds,
JK- I didnt read the last part anywehere in the Quran that our minds wont get the covering effect since thats what "khamr" is all about otherwise it would be plain juice NOT "khamr".
it will look exactly the same as we see it in this life but its properties is different, one property will stay the same though which is being a drinkable liquid
JK- Well then we could just take grape juice, why "khamr". Sorry bro but this doesnt make any sense to me. I agree we wont be polluted in the sense that our minds can be relieved at any time we please unlike here on earth giving us the full advantage of CONTROLLED PLEASURE.
also the fruits in the garden will look the same as the fruits we know but it will be totally different in properties, the Quran told us as such as you know
Peace be with you mate
JK- Ok but fresh fruits are fresh fruits and "khamr" is "khamr". Otherwise why the different terminologies? GOD Bless!
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So everything will look the same because....... we will still be trapped in our human consciousness? I am not sure I understand why everything will look the same yet have different properties. That implies that although in death we take on a spiritual form or energy, our senses and faculties remain the same? can't buy that.
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Peace "sawtooth",
So everything will look the same because....... we will still be trapped in our human consciousness? I am not sure I understand why everything will look the same yet have different properties. That implies that although in death we take on a spiritual form or energy, our senses and faculties remain the same? can't buy that.
JK- Many people confuse "spirtualism" and "materialism" while infact there is no "materialism" except in the conceptual sense. All is energy, waves and quantas if we go down to the peco level. The whole universe/space consists of tiny vibrations. The world we see are signals caused by these vibrations. Heaven and Hell are similar. We will surely be in either of them, feel them with our then given senses, experience them in and out only much more intensely. GOD Bless!
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Ahmedhttp//quran.muslim-web.com/
Thanks. This will help a lot.
no worries
it is one of the best I found, you can also search for arabic words
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Peace "sawtooth",
So everything will look the same because....... we will still be trapped in our human consciousness? I am not sure I understand why everything will look the same yet have different properties. That implies that although in death we take on a spiritual form or energy, our senses and faculties remain the same? can't buy that.
JK- Many people confuse "spirtualism" and "materialism" while infact there is no "materialism" except in the conceptual sense. All is energy, waves and quantas if we go down to the peco level. The whole universe/space consists of tiny vibrations. The world we see are signals caused by these vibrations. Heaven and Hell are similar. We will surely be in either of them, feel them with our then given senses, experience them in and out only much more intensely. GOD Bless!
I agree which is why I question all the crap about what awaits us in heaven. frankly it gives me a good chuckle. What is a wondering spectral energy going to do with grape juice or wine or anything of the sort? I do believe our taste buds will be left behind as worm food with the rest of our human earthly existence. This is where all these holy books makes themselves known as works created by man. Only man would create such a place as heaven and have it so heavily rely on earthly pleasures.
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Peace "sawtooth",
I agree which is why I question all the crap about what awaits us in heaven. frankly it gives me a good chuckle. What is a wondering spectral energy going to do with grape juice or wine or anything of the sort?
JK- Grape juice, fruits, plants and evrything else ALL CONTAIN electrons, protons and neutrons(which are infact a combination of both protons and electrons). Thus all of them, all their molecules DO HAVE their own own electromagnetic spectrum depneding on their molecular structure too. GOD may well create such through signals in paradise as we are familiar with them, only much better.
I do believe our taste buds will be left behind as worm food with the rest of our human earthly existence. This is where all these holy books makes themselves known as works created by man. Only man would create such a place as heaven and have it so heavily rely on earthly pleasures.
JK- GOD is giving us allegories compared to our world in order to get our attention. Mankind only responses immediately if real life comparisons are given. GOD Bless!
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JK
then why are we also told that heaven will be beyond our understanding. No pain no worries, but still it will be like earth to make us comfortable? that contradictory no? Which is it? Are we going to be beyond pain and missing loved ones, but still attached to earthly things such as grape juice? Come on. I will forget my pain but need the simplest of earthly pleasures to be comfortable? Or is it a lie told to get man to believe in an afterlife, or just to believe it in some pathetic simplistic way? and therefore a lie...
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JK
then why are we also told that heaven will be beyond our understanding. No pain no worries, but still it will be like earth to make us comfortable? that contradictory no? Which is it? Are we going to be beyond pain and missing loved ones, but still attached to earthly things such as grape juice? Come on. I will forget my pain but need the simplest of earthly pleasures to be comfortable? Or is it a lie told to get man to believe in an afterlife, or just to believe it in some pathetic simplistic way? and therefore a lie...
It is ironic that what you accuse us of believing in some pathetic simplistic way is actually describing you
our faith is not simple neither easy to achieve, it is bloody damn hard and is the hardest thing is this damn life
what you follow is what I call simple and premitive, who you want to kid exactly saw?
i know
it has to be yourself
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I canside it a valid question given the translations and interpretations of texts in this thread. As for my personal beliefes, I don't believe I have revealed enough for anyone to undestand it too much nor have many people asked. I do have to look back to someone (I forget who at the moment) who asked for a more detailed explanation but I am still figuring out how best to go about that. My coment was based on teh writings in THIS thread. Again, I think there is room for all beliefes especially when on their purest and most basic level they are the same. I am not debating the beliefes just the texts nd particular interpretaions I suppose.
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I canside it a valid question given the translations and interpretations of texts in this thread. As for my personal beliefes, I don't believe I have revealed enough for anyone to undestand it too much nor have many people asked.
ok, but aren't you kean to help your fellow confused humans and take the intiative?, or you don't give a fluke?
I do have to look back to someone (I forget who at the moment) who asked for a more detailed explanation but I am still figuring out how best to go about that.
so your concept is not complete yet?
My coment was based on teh writings in THIS thread. Again, I think there is room for all beliefes especially when on their purest and most basic level they are the same. I am not debating the beliefes just the texts nd particular interpretaions I suppose.
there is room for all these beliefs on this ending life, but on the afater life ther will only be one accpeted belief the rest will be thrown to the hell fire, this is what the Quran says not me,
now if you think this is only to scrae humans, then I may ask you, scare them of what?, and is it working? and who planned it? and who excuted it?
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I canside it a valid question given the translations and interpretations of texts in this thread. As for my personal beliefes, I don't believe I have revealed enough for anyone to undestand it too much nor have many people asked. I do have to look back to someone (I forget who at the moment) who asked for a more detailed explanation but I am still figuring out how best to go about that. My coment was based on teh writings in THIS thread. Again, I think there is room for all beliefes especially when on their purest and most basic level they are the same. I am not debating the beliefes just the texts nd particular interpretaions I suppose.
Hi sawtooth,
I don't think it's because no one has noticed your variant views - it's just that there is such a heterogeneous group of people here that it hardly matters.
I've noticed that you're trying to tell us something more lately but you're still not quite there. Take your time, there are no prizes for rushing; but somehow I sense a destructive element within you that is struggling to manifest itself.
A few members disappeared about the time you registered. I'm wondering whether we may already know you somehow?
Regards.
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destructive, no. I will admit that at times my inability to understand why others see things the way they do will frustrate me and cause me to lash out a touch, but i am far from destructive. I loathe the person that would sek to convert me so I would never seek to do the same to others. I sinmply enjoy the debate and descussion of philosophies. I can also tell you that not only do i have no idea who left when I came but i don't know anyone here which is probably why I enjoy it so much. Certainly no need to get paranoid. Ahmedbahgat got paranoid over something his profiler did and ended up wrong. I apologize if things came out wrong, but again, I just get frustrated.
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destructive, no. I will admit that at times my inability to understand why others see things the way they do will frustrate me and cause me to lash out a touch, but i am far from destructive. I loathe the person that would sek to convert me so I would never seek to do the same to others. I sinmply enjoy the debate and descussion of philosophies. I can also tell you that not only do i have no idea who left when I came but i don't know anyone here which is probably why I enjoy it so much. Certainly no need to get paranoid. Ahmedbahgat got paranoid over something his profiler did and ended up wrong. I apologize if things came out wrong, but again, I just get frustrated.
I don't really understand what ahmedbahgat has to do with it?
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Well once again it looks as though I am being confused with someone or placed into something I have nothig to do with. Perhaps i have bad timing, but regardless I am clueless. Actually I thought this placed looked fairly drama free, one of the reasons I joined. From my experience it is still relatively drama free so i will stick around at least for a while