The Alcohol debate - new insight.
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Brother AhmedBahgat and MQuran Its very sad reading these little insults back and forth, back and forth. It ruins the topic for other people reading it.
I ain't taking sides but your bother adults and responsible for your tongue and brains so be careful guys!!!
I know things can get heated up and I've been there and done that but in the words of brother idolfree......control your emotions and don't let it overrule your mind.....let your mind control your emotions wink (I hope I got that right brother idolfree lol)
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Peace bro "AB",
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now this is great, we have a verse in the Quran that says there will be rivers of Khamr, hence there will be rivers of what covers our mind
makes great sense indeed, but I don't want to go to that garden with rivers of things that will cover my mind
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JK- Yes this was indeed a point which i couldnt grasp very well before too. But "khamr" must be referring to ALL mind covering substances otherwise we could say "well if not wine then lets take whisky(corn alcohol), heroin or other drugs and enjoy ourselves". Now i thought how could GOD leave out such a crucial point. And just like you 4715 gave me trouble until i realized that the state of paradise is entirely different. Over there we would have no more jealousy of each other which could lead us to fight, mirder, etc according to
We will remove all jealousy from their hearts. Rivers will flow beneath them, and they will say, "GOD be praised for guiding us. We could not possibly be guided, if it were not that GOD has guided us. The messengers of our Lord did bring the truth." They will be called "This is your Paradise. You have inherited it, in return for your works."
Thus a river of mind soothing NARCOTICS, AND YES ILL SAY IT AGAIN, NARCOTICS IN HEAVEN, WONT MATTER NO MORE. On the contrary they would be pleasing and it would be party forever, the party of the believers GW, "Peace!". What we must understand is that what seems wrong here on earth IS NOT SO IN ABSOULTE BUT RELATIVE TERMS, relative to the conditions which we are in. GOD Bless! -
PEACE
Brother AhmedBahgat and MQuran Its very sad reading these little insults back and forth, back and forth. It ruins the topic for other people reading it.
I ain't taking sides but your bother adults and responsible for your tongue and brains so be careful guys!!!
I know things can get heated up and I've been there and done that but in the words of brother idolfree......control your emotions and don't let it overrule your mind.....let your mind control your emotions wink (I hope I got that right brother idolfree lol)
PEACE
Peace brother
I already apologised to him, and I promise you I will not do it again
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Peace bro "AB",
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now this is great, we have a verse in the Quran that says there will be rivers of Khamr, hence there will be rivers of what covers our mind
makes great sense indeed, but I don't want to go to that garden with rivers of things that will cover my mind
peace
JK- Yes this was indeed a point which i couldnt grasp very well before too. But "khamr" must be referring to ALL mind covering substances otherwise we could say "well if not wine then lets take whisky(corn alcohol), heroin or other drugs and enjoy ourselves". Now i thought how could GOD leave out such a crucial point. And just like you 4715 gave me trouble until i realized that the state of paradise is entirely different. Over there we would have no more jealousy of each other which could lead us to fight, mirder, etc according to
We will remove all jealousy from their hearts. Rivers will flow beneath them, and they will say, "GOD be praised for guiding us. We could not possibly be guided, if it were not that GOD has guided us. The messengers of our Lord did bring the truth." They will be called "This is your Paradise. You have inherited it, in return for your works."
Thus a river of mind soothing NARCOTICS, AND YES ILL SAY IT AGAIN, NARCOTICS IN HEAVEN, WONT MATTER NO MORE. On the contrary they would be pleasing and it would be party forever, the party of the believers GW, "Peace!". What we must understand is that what seems wrong here on earth IS NOT SO IN ABSOULTE BUT RELATIVE TERMS, relative to the conditions which we are in. GOD Bless!I agree with that bro, that In heaven there are thngs that we can't imagine, what I meant that the Khamr in partadise was specifically mentioned and described as being sweet for the drinkers, does not give us headche nor we will loose our minds,
it will look exactly the same as we see it in this life but its properties is different, one property will stay the same though which is being a drinkable liquid
also the fruits in the garden will look the same as the fruits we know but it will be totally different in properties, the Quran told us as such as you know
Peace be with you mate
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Peace bro "AB",
I agree with that bro, that In heaven there are thngs that we can't imagine, what I meant that the Khamr in partadise was specifically mentioned and described as being sweet for the drinkers, does not give us headche nor we will loose our minds,
JK- I didnt read the last part anywehere in the Quran that our minds wont get the covering effect since thats what "khamr" is all about otherwise it would be plain juice NOT "khamr".
it will look exactly the same as we see it in this life but its properties is different, one property will stay the same though which is being a drinkable liquid
JK- Well then we could just take grape juice, why "khamr". Sorry bro but this doesnt make any sense to me. I agree we wont be polluted in the sense that our minds can be relieved at any time we please unlike here on earth giving us the full advantage of CONTROLLED PLEASURE.
also the fruits in the garden will look the same as the fruits we know but it will be totally different in properties, the Quran told us as such as you know
Peace be with you mate
JK- Ok but fresh fruits are fresh fruits and "khamr" is "khamr". Otherwise why the different terminologies? GOD Bless!
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So everything will look the same because....... we will still be trapped in our human consciousness? I am not sure I understand why everything will look the same yet have different properties. That implies that although in death we take on a spiritual form or energy, our senses and faculties remain the same? can't buy that.
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Peace "sawtooth",
So everything will look the same because....... we will still be trapped in our human consciousness? I am not sure I understand why everything will look the same yet have different properties. That implies that although in death we take on a spiritual form or energy, our senses and faculties remain the same? can't buy that.
JK- Many people confuse "spirtualism" and "materialism" while infact there is no "materialism" except in the conceptual sense. All is energy, waves and quantas if we go down to the peco level. The whole universe/space consists of tiny vibrations. The world we see are signals caused by these vibrations. Heaven and Hell are similar. We will surely be in either of them, feel them with our then given senses, experience them in and out only much more intensely. GOD Bless!
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Ahmedhttp//quran.muslim-web.com/
Thanks. This will help a lot.
no worries
it is one of the best I found, you can also search for arabic words
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Peace "sawtooth",
So everything will look the same because....... we will still be trapped in our human consciousness? I am not sure I understand why everything will look the same yet have different properties. That implies that although in death we take on a spiritual form or energy, our senses and faculties remain the same? can't buy that.
JK- Many people confuse "spirtualism" and "materialism" while infact there is no "materialism" except in the conceptual sense. All is energy, waves and quantas if we go down to the peco level. The whole universe/space consists of tiny vibrations. The world we see are signals caused by these vibrations. Heaven and Hell are similar. We will surely be in either of them, feel them with our then given senses, experience them in and out only much more intensely. GOD Bless!
I agree which is why I question all the crap about what awaits us in heaven. frankly it gives me a good chuckle. What is a wondering spectral energy going to do with grape juice or wine or anything of the sort? I do believe our taste buds will be left behind as worm food with the rest of our human earthly existence. This is where all these holy books makes themselves known as works created by man. Only man would create such a place as heaven and have it so heavily rely on earthly pleasures.
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Peace "sawtooth",
I agree which is why I question all the crap about what awaits us in heaven. frankly it gives me a good chuckle. What is a wondering spectral energy going to do with grape juice or wine or anything of the sort?
JK- Grape juice, fruits, plants and evrything else ALL CONTAIN electrons, protons and neutrons(which are infact a combination of both protons and electrons). Thus all of them, all their molecules DO HAVE their own own electromagnetic spectrum depneding on their molecular structure too. GOD may well create such through signals in paradise as we are familiar with them, only much better.
I do believe our taste buds will be left behind as worm food with the rest of our human earthly existence. This is where all these holy books makes themselves known as works created by man. Only man would create such a place as heaven and have it so heavily rely on earthly pleasures.
JK- GOD is giving us allegories compared to our world in order to get our attention. Mankind only responses immediately if real life comparisons are given. GOD Bless!
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then why are we also told that heaven will be beyond our understanding. No pain no worries, but still it will be like earth to make us comfortable? that contradictory no? Which is it? Are we going to be beyond pain and missing loved ones, but still attached to earthly things such as grape juice? Come on. I will forget my pain but need the simplest of earthly pleasures to be comfortable? Or is it a lie told to get man to believe in an afterlife, or just to believe it in some pathetic simplistic way? and therefore a lie...
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then why are we also told that heaven will be beyond our understanding. No pain no worries, but still it will be like earth to make us comfortable? that contradictory no? Which is it? Are we going to be beyond pain and missing loved ones, but still attached to earthly things such as grape juice? Come on. I will forget my pain but need the simplest of earthly pleasures to be comfortable? Or is it a lie told to get man to believe in an afterlife, or just to believe it in some pathetic simplistic way? and therefore a lie...
It is ironic that what you accuse us of believing in some pathetic simplistic way is actually describing you
our faith is not simple neither easy to achieve, it is bloody damn hard and is the hardest thing is this damn life
what you follow is what I call simple and premitive, who you want to kid exactly saw?
i know
it has to be yourself
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I canside it a valid question given the translations and interpretations of texts in this thread. As for my personal beliefes, I don't believe I have revealed enough for anyone to undestand it too much nor have many people asked. I do have to look back to someone (I forget who at the moment) who asked for a more detailed explanation but I am still figuring out how best to go about that. My coment was based on teh writings in THIS thread. Again, I think there is room for all beliefes especially when on their purest and most basic level they are the same. I am not debating the beliefes just the texts nd particular interpretaions I suppose.
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I canside it a valid question given the translations and interpretations of texts in this thread. As for my personal beliefes, I don't believe I have revealed enough for anyone to undestand it too much nor have many people asked.
ok, but aren't you kean to help your fellow confused humans and take the intiative?, or you don't give a fluke?
I do have to look back to someone (I forget who at the moment) who asked for a more detailed explanation but I am still figuring out how best to go about that.
so your concept is not complete yet?
My coment was based on teh writings in THIS thread. Again, I think there is room for all beliefes especially when on their purest and most basic level they are the same. I am not debating the beliefes just the texts nd particular interpretaions I suppose.
there is room for all these beliefs on this ending life, but on the afater life ther will only be one accpeted belief the rest will be thrown to the hell fire, this is what the Quran says not me,
now if you think this is only to scrae humans, then I may ask you, scare them of what?, and is it working? and who planned it? and who excuted it?
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I canside it a valid question given the translations and interpretations of texts in this thread. As for my personal beliefes, I don't believe I have revealed enough for anyone to undestand it too much nor have many people asked. I do have to look back to someone (I forget who at the moment) who asked for a more detailed explanation but I am still figuring out how best to go about that. My coment was based on teh writings in THIS thread. Again, I think there is room for all beliefes especially when on their purest and most basic level they are the same. I am not debating the beliefes just the texts nd particular interpretaions I suppose.
Hi sawtooth,
I don't think it's because no one has noticed your variant views - it's just that there is such a heterogeneous group of people here that it hardly matters.
I've noticed that you're trying to tell us something more lately but you're still not quite there. Take your time, there are no prizes for rushing; but somehow I sense a destructive element within you that is struggling to manifest itself.
A few members disappeared about the time you registered. I'm wondering whether we may already know you somehow?
Regards.
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destructive, no. I will admit that at times my inability to understand why others see things the way they do will frustrate me and cause me to lash out a touch, but i am far from destructive. I loathe the person that would sek to convert me so I would never seek to do the same to others. I sinmply enjoy the debate and descussion of philosophies. I can also tell you that not only do i have no idea who left when I came but i don't know anyone here which is probably why I enjoy it so much. Certainly no need to get paranoid. Ahmedbahgat got paranoid over something his profiler did and ended up wrong. I apologize if things came out wrong, but again, I just get frustrated.
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destructive, no. I will admit that at times my inability to understand why others see things the way they do will frustrate me and cause me to lash out a touch, but i am far from destructive. I loathe the person that would sek to convert me so I would never seek to do the same to others. I sinmply enjoy the debate and descussion of philosophies. I can also tell you that not only do i have no idea who left when I came but i don't know anyone here which is probably why I enjoy it so much. Certainly no need to get paranoid. Ahmedbahgat got paranoid over something his profiler did and ended up wrong. I apologize if things came out wrong, but again, I just get frustrated.
I don't really understand what ahmedbahgat has to do with it?
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Well once again it looks as though I am being confused with someone or placed into something I have nothig to do with. Perhaps i have bad timing, but regardless I am clueless. Actually I thought this placed looked fairly drama free, one of the reasons I joined. From my experience it is still relatively drama free so i will stick around at least for a while
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Well once again it looks as though I am being confused with someone or placed into something I have nothig to do with. Perhaps i have bad timing, but regardless I am clueless. Actually I thought this placed looked fairly drama free, one of the reasons I joined. From my experience it is still relatively drama free so i will stick around at least for a while
I guess it is drama free in here and will stay that way, but if you want drama, come to faithfreedom.org, I joined yesterday and I reckon there will be a lot of drama there