gay people and islam
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Peace Jonny k,
Nothing personal there. Ur idea was ridiculous. And so, I used ur own words to show u that.
JK- Yep your entitled to your views. It doesnt matter whether i like it or not and you dont have to like me or my habbits.
Exactly!
Everyone is free to have their ideas and can lead their lives the way they wish as long its harmless to them and others. Same goes for u. So, I have no problems with u as long as u r harmless.If you find certain habbits of certain people as criminal you can always come up and suggest punishments for them but i suggest you back up your arguments with logic as ive done.
Exactly, Ur arguments werent based on logic but preconcieved and biased notions/ideas. The funniest of all is 'all homosexuals are criminals'' that u came up with.
You can well suggest this to the government and if the majority accept this then you dont even have to worry because ill be the first one to readily leave the country by myself. GOD Bless!
No, Jonny k, am not intending to make any such ridiculous suggestions to the government. As long as u r harmless and remain within ur limits of freedom, No one would have a problem no matter what ur views are.
Peace!
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Hello
The main problem the gay acticvist delbert;y turn a blind eye regarding the homos invading our schools to manipulate and corrupt our children innocnet minds
Shame on you gay activist, you acre for the adults homos and you don't give a fluke about the innocent children
Your turn with Allah to give account regarding that flaw you have will sure come, but I'm not sure what you are going to say to Him
Peace
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Peace johnny k and all. I do believe sawtooth and peaceful-muslim answered yours and ahmedbhaghats statistics quite well. What is the harm,is it promiscuity,or anal sex. if they are eliminated is gay sex allowed then? you seem to say lesbianism is ok. why is one wrong and one ok? I am not biased nor promoting being gay(i have no interest in being gay,i am married),i just am trying to be honest and not condemn people without having the 'fuller' picture of the effects of this behaviour.
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Parents Battle Homosexual Activism In Schools
By Suzanne McDuffie
Ever since the homosexual community ?came out of the closet,? it has fought to penetrate every American institution?including the schools. But, concerned parents have been hard-pressed for evidence on the homosexual movement?s targeting of teens. Recently, a number of conservatives uncovered and recorded the truth behind homosexual behavior that stunned the nation.
Brian Camenker and Scott Whiteman, founders of Parents? Rights Coalition, and a number of Concerned Women for America members, who wish to remain anonymous, attended in March the 10th annual conference of the Boston chapter of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network at Tufts University, in Medford, Mass. GLSEN trains teachers and students and develops programs to fight those who oppose homosexual behavior.
?After attending seven hours of this GLSEN seminar, I felt like I was in Sodom and Gomorrah,? said one witness. ?I believe that every one of the Ten Commandments was broken in either word or deed.?
Whiteman tape-recorded the event, which featured workshops such as, ?From Lesbos to Stonewall Incorporating Sexuality into a World History Curriculum? and ?Early Childhood Educators How to Decide Whether to Come Out or Not.?
Massachusetts Department of Education employees Margot Abels and Julie Netherland, and Michael Gaucher, an AIDS educator from the Massachusetts public health agency, taught ?What They Didn?t Tell you About Queer Sex & Sexuality in Health Class.? In opening the session, Gaucher asked teens, who were invited along with teachers, how they know whether or not they?ve had sex. Someone asked whether oral sex was really sex.
?If that?s not sex, then the number of times I?ve had sex has dramatically decreased, from a mountain to a valley, baby!? exclaimed Gaucher. Using his definition, he urged a young participant to list the different methods/types of sex ?Don?t be shy, honey, you can do it.? (The Weekly Standard, July 3/July 10, 2000)
The other conservatives witnessed similar scenarios.
?After this happened, I did not sleep for a week,? said a CWA member and teacher, ?Children went to this.?
GLSEN filed suit against Whiteman and Camenker for violating Massachusetts? wiretap laws and invading the privacy of minors present at one workshop, though the workshop was open to the public. Whiteman and Camenker did not back down. They founded Parents? Rights Coalition, an organization committed to exposing the homosexual agenda, including indoctrination in the schools.
They sent tapes to media and public officials. Newspapers and television stations blasted the report. Christian radio host Geanine Graf, who coined ?Fistgate? to describe the seminar, aired the tapes on her call-in program for a week. The CWA teacher said shocked and outraged drivers pulled off the road and called in on their cell phones.
Though Whiteman and Camenker educated New England on the terrors of homosexual curriculum, they now face heavy legal costs for a trial in a liberal state that donates $1.5 million tax dollars annually to gay and lesbian youth organizations.
Massachusetts education chief David Driscoll fired Abels and Netherland when Whiteman and Camenker released the tapes, but he continues to urge ?safety in schools,? which is rhetoric to create a victim status for those practicing homosexuality.
Meanwhile, parents in Ithaca, N.Y., are also fighting off the homosexual agenda in their schools. CWA member Pat Pollock joined 700 citizens in signing a petition to combat a gay lecture series. Family Alliance for Cultural Tolerance, an organization that fights for heterosexuality and a traditional defense of marriage in the schools, sponsored the petition. Using their opponents? rhetoric, FACT aims for ?safety and health in schools.?
?Information is critical?our objections toward homosexuality are well-founded,? said FACT member and local pastor Steve Froehlich, ?The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has proven that homosexuality is harmful behavior.?
As a result of FACT?s work, Ithaca High School made attendance at the gay lecture voluntary. Still, lectures such as ?Can I be gay and a Christian?? indoctrinated those who chose to attend.
?I believe God loves who I am. I do everything in my power to do everything right,? said homosexual Matt Bosch.
Topics such as this raise the question It?s not permissible to pray in school, but tax dollars can sponsor the discussion of homosexuality and Christianity?
The homosexual indoctrination in schools must stop. To make a difference in your local school, contact
CWA State Director in Massachusetts
Sandi Martinez
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Peace johnny k and all. I do believe sawtooth and peaceful-muslim answered yours and ahmedbhaghats statistics quite well. What is the harm,is it promiscuity,or anal sex. if they are eliminated is gay sex allowed then? you seem to say lesbianism is ok. why is one wrong and one ok? I am not biased nor promoting being gay(i have no interest in being gay,i am married),i just am trying to be honest and not condemn people without having the 'fuller' picture of the effects of this behaviour.
Peace and respect johnny k.excuse me, no one refuted the filth of the hoimnosexual life style of targetting our innocent children in public schools
Salam
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Peace "PM",
Nothing personal there. Ur idea was ridiculous. And so, I used ur own words to show u that. Smile
JK- Oh no need to apologize. I didnt take it personal at all. Infact i liked that you stated it and also gave you an adequate reply. I dont believe my idea or views are ridiculous but then again this is a relative issue.
Exactly!
Everyone is free to have their ideas and can lead their lives the way they wish as long its harmless to them and others. Same goes for u. So, I have no problems with u as long as u r harmless.JK- Im not harming anyone am i. Im only stating my views and beliefs and what i believe should be added into the constitutional law.
Exactly, Ur arguments werent based on logic but preconcieved and biased notions/ideas. The funniest of all is 'all homosexuals are criminals'' ) that u came up with.
JK- i dont believe my ideas were but if you think so, then to you be your way and to me is mine. Furthermore yes i do belive hs are criminals IF theyve inulged in the act or if they stubbornly want to live that way without accepting the therapy offer if available.
) No, Jonny k, am not intending to make any such ridiculous suggestions to the government. As long as u r harmless and remain within ur limits of freedom, No one would have a problem no matter what ur views are.
Peace!
JK- Please try to understand that whats harmless and whats not is ALSO A RELATIVE ISSUE. Like i said i find gays to be HARMFUL to society. So now in my view they are not harmless anymore. And i believe both you and i will a agree that a crime needs to be punished. Now i see hs acitivity as a crime. Get it? GOD Bless!
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Of course homsexuality is a CRIME from God's perspective, anyone who denies this (a believer or not) must be blind
Several important principles which most people seem to be unaware of (particularly those who teach in the schools of law and legislators of societies) are Man has not been given the authority and power to define the nature of crime. That authority is rightfully reserved only by God. Therefore the responsibility all mankind has is to embrace laws in accord with the Laws of God. The reason God is the rightful One to define the nature of crime is because He is the Creator of all mankind. Therefore it is God who can best define what is evil for man. It is the Almighty God, the One to whom all mankind is responsible (Romans 319), who has defined homosexuality as a crime (Leviticus 1822).
Not only has God defined the true nature of crimes, but He has also prescribed what the punishment for them should be. The natures of the divinely prescribed punishments imply how heinous the crimes are. Although a particular crime is a different kind and have different characteristics to other crimes, yet it may be equal or greater in heinousness. Thus God has not prescribed that homosexuals should merely be spoken against, rejected, discriminated against, or banished from the nations, but He requires that they be put to death by every government under which they reside (Leviticus 2013) and no sorrow should be had for them.
Thus we see that God requires death for homosexuality just as he requires death for murder. This tells us that homosexuality is at least equal to the heinousness of murder. All homosexuals should be regarded by every society to be just as much criminals as are cold-blooded murderers.
Although homosexuality is at least as heinous as the crime of murder, it can be and is often more heinous than murder. When a person commits the crime of murder, he may not murder but one person and may never commit the crime again. Or even if he murders 10 or a 100 people, at some point his murders stop. But homosexuals often remain such their entire lives and they may commit the act hundreds of time. They may also spread the AIDs virus to many innocent people who may die from the AIDs.
The great heinousness of homosexuality does not stop with the nasty acts of gay or homosexual people, but also extends itself in many other ways into the societies. Homosexuals often like to have some kind of contact and influence on children. This is why they hang around Boy's clubs, or become school teachers and why many of them in America work at Walt Disney. Many of them are pedophiles and want to recruit or teach children to accept homosexuality. And since homosexuality is at least equal to murder, this is equivalent to teaching children to become murderers.
The terrible influence of the crime of homosexuality also extends itself in the societies by homosexuals being allowed to function in the societies, by them becoming prominent members of communities, and becoming leaders and serving in various positions of government. In this way, homosexuals seek to remove all rightful stigmatization of homosexuality from the societies by making laws in favor of homosexuality. Again, this is equivalent to murderers going unpunished and being allowed to function in the societies as prominent leaders of the societies and being allowed to serve in government to make laws in favor of murder.
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what is disgusting that others use the honesty of a member sharing a very senstive info with us so we learn from it, against him
what a shame
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Peace "enquirer",
Peace johnny k and all. I do believe sawtooth and peaceful-muslim answered yours and ahmedbhaghats statistics quite well.
JK- Sorry but i dont see how they did.
What is the harm,is it promiscuity,or anal sex. if they are eliminated is gay sex allowed then? you seem to say lesbianism is ok. why is one wrong and one ok?
JK- The 1st part i answered already in another reply to you. Regarding lesbianism i never said that it was right BUT it is way not as wrong as male hs because obviously lesbians dont penetrate the anus.
I am not biased nor promoting being gay(i have no interest in being gay,i am married),i just am trying to be honest and not condemn people without having the 'fuller' picture of the effects of this behaviour.
Peace and respect johnny k.JK- If you believe in the Quran your views should be clear.
"You practice sex with the men, instead of the women. Indeed, you are a transgressing people."
Thus verse is very clear. GOD Bless! -
Peace tmk. yes me and my wife watched this programme. It helped me to realise that there is more to this topic than meets the eye. If somebody genuinly feels repulsed to have a relationship with the opposite sex then can we not think maybe they are correct in the context of their personal situation. Im sure i would feel horrible if i stated they must be 'normal',when some of them came across as genuine people. I have no intention to cause more harm in the world by being intolerant and/or closed-minded. If any of the members had a memeber of their family who they discovered was gay how would they react?
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Peace bro "AB"
what is disgusting that others use the honesty of a member sharing a very senstive info with us so we learn from it, against him
what a shame
JK- Thankyou very much for your kind remarks, bro and now that you mention it i start to realize that satan is playing his game even further. But as i said i didnt mind it and i believe i gave adequate replies to those remarks as well. GOD Bless!
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JK- The 1st part i answered already in another reply to you. Regarding lesbianism i never said that it was right BUT it is way not as wrong as male hs because obviously lesbians dont penetrate the anus.
Yes they can jonny with a strap-on wink
Will that be bad as male homosexuality?Regards,
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Peace bro "AB",
Thus we see that God requires death for homosexuality just as he requires death for murder. This tells us that homosexuality is at least equal to the heinousness of murder. All homosexuals should be regarded by every society to be just as much criminals as are cold-blooded murderers.
JK- If you mean for the Christians and Jews if theyr to be loyal to their scriptures then yes otherwise i dont agree since these statements are not found in the Quran. The Quran never commanded us to kill the homos. GOD Bless!
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what is disgusting that others use the honesty of a member sharing a very senstive info with us so we learn from it, against him what a shame
If it was sensitive it should not be declared on a public forum. It was jonny's intention to show the members here that homosexuality is a preferential choice made by an individual...
Regards,
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Peace "LT",
Yes they can jonny with a strap-on wink
Will that be bad as male homosexuality?Regards,
JK- If they do that then yes theyr as bad as a male hs. Here i must add that i clearly see from this how badly influenced women are from men. This shows me that women are infact not so bad by nature as compared to men contrary to what the Bible claims. Men are far more evil by nature i believe. GOD Bless!
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Peace all. I am begining to feel some negative energy on this topic. I also feel some 'going round in circles'. My job is to talk fruitfully and peacefully and respect others.At the end of the day some of these statistics and views are 'subjective'. Why do people keep saying allah says this or quran says this? It is your interpretation which says this,not necessarily allah or the quran. Who is right or wrong in this matter may be shown in time with more knowledge and progress.
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We have seen the bible describing the homosexuals as criminlas in the eye of Allah, here is the Quran doing the excat same of describinig them as criminals
31 He said What is your affair then, O messengers!
32 They said Lo! we are sent unto folks who are CRIMINALS,
33 That we may send down upon them stone of clay,
34 Sent forth from your Lord for the extravagant.
35 Then We brought forth such as were therein of the believers.
36 But We did not find therein save a (single) house of those who submitted (the Muslims).
37 And We left therein a sign for those who fear the painful punishment.
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now if you have a problem of calling them criminals " ", I guess you should take a note of the above 5132 to remind you in your Judgment to argue it with Allah, donlt blame us please because we follow Allah word for word
now in this testing life we know that corrupting the inncocnet children mind is one of the worst crimes and will earn its doer the title "a criminal"
Thanks all
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The terrible influence of the crime of homosexuality also extends itself in the societies by homosexuals being allowed to function in the societies, by them becoming prominent members of communities, and becoming leaders and serving in various positions of government.
This is what the White Supramist said about the Black's in America! So we should remove all these people from position of power and influence?
What about homosexual doctors? Should they be removed from the Emergency Ward?
Regards,
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Peaced "enquirer",
Peace all. I am begining to feel some negative energy on this topic. I also feel some 'going round in circles'. My job is to talk fruitfully and peacefully and respect others.At the end of the day some of these statistics and views are 'subjective'. Why do people keep saying allah says this or quran says this? It is your interpretation which says this,not necessarily allah or the quran. Who is right or wrong in this matter may be shown in time with more knowledge and progress.
Peace and respect to all.JK- Because the Quran is very clear on this
"You practice sex with the men, instead of the women. Indeed, you are a transgressing people."
According to Occam's Razor the sinmplest understranding is most probably the right one and in this case the simplest and in my view only possible answer is that male hs is wrong. GOD Bless! -
The terrible influence of the crime of homosexuality also extends itself in the societies by homosexuals being allowed to function in the societies, by them becoming prominent members of communities, and becoming leaders and serving in various positions of government.
This is what the White Supramist said about the Black's in America! So we should remove all these people from position of power and influence?
What about homosexual doctors? Should they be removed from the Emergency Ward?
Regards,
to be honest I don't care where they work as long as they are away from public schools, period
the hetro parents will never tolerate their filthy influence on our innocent children
I have a lot to say in thiis subject if you want to debate it
i also don't agree with the display of filthy called the yearly mardi crap, we the hetro don't celebrate our sexuality, this clearly means that they are the ones who know it is not normal realizing they fell in its trap and want tp force it on the hetro and their children, the homos are also clear cut HETRO BASHERS
Regards