sex with the captives?
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A good article
http//www.quranicteachings.co.uk/ma-malakat.htmSee also Asad's translation
http//www.geocities.com/masad02/
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peace jm,
thank you for the links.
http//www.quranicteachings.co.uk/ma-malakat.htm?Ma Malakat Aimanukum? is one of the most misunderstood, misused and abused term of the Quran. It is usually taken as to mean ?female slave?. Before we discuss the correct meaning of this term, it must be borne in mind that there is a specific word in Arabic language for female slaves and this word has been used at least twice in the Quran, once as a singular and secondly as a plural have
-What is rightfully yours
Now ?what your right hands possess?, or ?what you rightfully have? or ?what is rightfully yours? or ?what your have? could be any of the following
-Your wife
-Your spouse
-Your servant
-Your possession, or property
-Your slave because ?Ma Malakat Aimanukum? refers to a neutral gender which is applicable to both male or female.
-Your prisoner of warit can be seen that ?Ma Malakat Aimanukum?, may not only refer to ?slave? but also to
-Spouse
-Wife
-Servants
-Prisoners of war
-Subordinates
-What is rightfully yoursBefore we move further, another important word must also be explained. The word is ?AW?, used in the phrase ?aw ma malakat aymanukum?. ?AW? is usually translated as ?OR?. There is no doubt that ?OR? is one of the meanings of ?AW? but as a matter of fact, this word is used in no less than 12 different ways . One of the uses of this word is TAFSEEL, . In other words, ?aw? is also used to add some meaning to the previous word or to explain a previous word or to give some attribute or characteristics of the previous word.
Please refer to 17110. In this verse, there is a phrase ?odAAoo Allaha awi odAAoo alrrahmana?. Note carefully how ?Allah? and ?Rahman? are separated by the word ?aw?. Now here ?aw? does not imply that ?Allah? and ?Rahman? are two different Beings. Without doubt, ?Allah? and ?Rahman? is one and the same Being. ?Rahman? is an attribute of ?Allah?.
Now refer to verses 236 and 7030.
236 Illa AAala azwajihim aw ma malakat aymanuhum fainnahum ghayru maloomeena
7030 Illa AAala azwajihim aw ma malakat aymanuhum fainnahum ghayru maloomeena
In both the above verses, ?azwajihim? and ?ma malakat aymanuhum? are separated by ?aw?. Here it does not mean that ?azwajihim? and ?ma malakat aymanuhum? are two different objects. Actually, they refer to one and the same object. ?azwajihim? ARE ?ma malakat aymanuhum? i.e. ?their spouses? are ?what they rightfully possess?.It is very interesting but it seems to me like playing with a meckano or blocks where every one has a choice to pick different pieces and then join them to give a shape according to their own wish.
In 424, the term ?ma malakat aymanukum? refers to those married women which are wives of the disbelievers . The verse 424 makes unlawful to marry all married women except those married women that have come to the believers as prisoners of wars or emigrants but their husbands are non-believers.
In 43, the term ?ma malakat aymanukum? means ?what you rightfully possess? or ?what you have?.if in verse 43 the term "ma malakat aymanukum" refers to the women explained in 6010 why does it have a gap of 54 suras? i mean why do you have to read/jump 54 sura to find out what Allah meant in sura 43?
In 3352, the Prophet is forbidden to marry any more women in spite of their beauty EXCEPT TO MARRY ONLY THE SLAVE GIRLS OR PRISONERS OF WAR REFERRED IN 6010, to make them part of the family and give them status.
43-If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans marry women of your choice two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them) then only one or (a captive) that your right hands possess. That will be more suitable to prevent you from doing injustice.
43-Wa in khiftum alla tuqsitu_ fil yata_ma_ fankihu_ ma_ ta_ba lakum minan nisa_'i masna_ wa sula_sa wa ruba_'(a), fa in khiftum alla_ ta'dilu_ fawa_hidatan au ma_ MALAKAT AIMA_NUKUM, za_lika adna_ alla_ ta'a_lu_.So in this verse by malakat aima_nukum it is meant the slave girls but in other verses it could mean something else? Wonder if Allah is short of words?
3352-It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this nor to change them for (other) wives even though their beauty attract thee except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens) and Allah doth watch over all things.
3352-La_ yahil lu lakan nisa_ u mim badu wa la_ an tahad dala bihin na min azwa_jiw wa lau ajabaka husnuhun na il la_ ma_ MALAKAT YAMINUK wa ka_nal la_hu ala_ kul li sai ir raqiba_Lastly I would like to ask why all the other people who have translated stuck to the traditional meaning captives/slaves? It includes the Sunni, Wahabi, Shia translators who hate each other and never let an opportunity pass away without criticizing each other?s translation. They differ a lot in the translation of some of the verses but none of them differ in the translation of the verses under discussion here.
Quran does not speak itself, neither the almighty automatically updates the correct translation and removes the wrong ones The almighty has not devised a way for correct translation, it is up to us, we can translate it in what ever way it seems logical to us and then attribute it to Allah. I wonder will we ever be able to understand the true translation of Quran?peace.
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just wanted to share what these mullahs are teaching..
QUESTION 1
In the time of the Prophet (saw), when the muslims would win a war, they
would get booty which would be distributed among the muslims of which were
slave girls.If that slave-girl was still a mushrikah, was it allowed for her owner to
have sex with her?ANSWER
Yes, one is allowed to do so since the rules of normal marriage do
not apply to a slave girlSource http//www.al-islam.org/organizations/aalimnetwork/msg00364.html
Question
Could you please clarify for me something that has been troubling me for a while. This concerns the right of a man to have sexual relations with slave girls. Is this so? If it is then is the man allowed to have relations with her as well his wife/wives. Also, is it true that a man can have sexual relations with any number of slave girls and with their own wife/wives also? I have read that Hazrat Ali had 17 slave girls and Hazrat Umar also had many. Surely if a man were allowed this freedom then this could lead to neglecting the wife's needs. Could you also tell clarify wether the wife has got any say in this matter.Answer
Praise be to Allaah.
Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married??.
Source http//63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=10382&dgn=4 -
Salaams and peace ..
During those ages and eras when slavery was an accepted norm in every part of the world, a man was allowed to have sexual relations with his female slave. Even as recently as 250 years ago when slavery was rife in the US, children born to black slave women fathered by their white plantation owners were not termed as illegitimate children. And these children were later also given some inheritance rights.
The Glorious Qur'aan didn't revolutionize this practice by changing it overnight, but it did discourage slavery greatly and freeing a slave is a very pious act in accordance with the values of the Qur'aan. The Qur'aan allows a man to have physical relationship with his slave woman whom he owns, though not against her will. If a man possesses a slave woman, he can either free her or if she continues being his slave, she is lawful for him .. because being a slave of one man, she cannot marry another man without her master's permission. So, if the master does not permit her to marry someone else, he can have her for himself, if she agrees. In all other societies, the consent of a slave girl was irrelevant. But the Qur'aan gave the female slave this right. And of course, the Qur'aan also states various other rules & responsibilities of a man for the well-being of his slaves that are incumbent upon the him.
However, this law only applied in the past. Obviously it is no longer valid because slavery does not exist anymore (at least not officially) in the civilized world today.
Surprisingly enough, there are many Muslim men nowadays who use this concept as an excuse to commit illegal sexual acts with free women. They must know that such acts are downright 'zina' carrying a heavy penalty in the Hereafter.
And Allah knows best.
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Salaams and peace ..
During those ages and eras when slavery was an accepted norm in every part of the world, a man was allowed to have sexual relations with his female slave. Even as recently as 250 years ago when slavery was rife in the US, children born to black slave women fathered by their white plantation owners were not termed as illegitimate children. And these children were later also given some inheritance rights.
The Glorious Qur'aan didn't revolutionize this practice by changing it overnight, but it did discourage slavery greatly and freeing a slave is a very pious act in accordance with the values of the Qur'aan. The Qur'aan allows a man to have physical relationship with his slave woman whom he owns, though not against her will. If a man possesses a slave woman, he can either free her or if she continues being his slave, she is lawful for him .. because being a slave of one man, she cannot marry another man without her master's permission. So, if the master does not permit her to marry someone else, he can have her for himself, if she agrees. In all other societies, the consent of a slave girl was irrelevant. But the Qur'aan gave the female slave this right. And of course, the Qur'aan also states various other rules & responsibilities of a man for the well-being of his slaves that are incumbent upon the him.
However, this law only applied in the past. Obviously it is no longer valid because slavery does not exist anymore (at least not officially) in the civilized world today.
Surprisingly enough, there are many Muslim men nowadays who use this concept as an excuse to commit illegal sexual acts with free women. They must know that such acts are downright 'zina' carrying a heavy penalty in the Hereafter.
And Allah knows best.
hello...
Can u answer this question with a simple yes or no D
Is it Ok to have sex with slaves?
Does Islam allow Slavery ?
peace
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peace all,
i am not sure but i think i copied it from some site like answereing islam.
Mary the copt
"Mary (the Copt) was a Christian slave given to Muhammad 7 AH (628 AD) by the Governor of Egypt, Elmokaukas. Her sister, Shereena, was also given at the same time. Muhammad became intimate with Mary and she bore him Ebrahim, who died in 10 AD. Intimacy took place in the home and bed of his wife Hafsah (daughter of Umar) who was absent at that moment and on the day which was either her or Aysha's turn. When Hafsah found this out and questioned him he promised (on oath) not to touch Mary again if she would keep this a secret, and promised that Umar and Abu Bakr should be his successors. Hafsah, however, did not keep quiet and told Aysha about this event. As a result Muhammad had no dealings with any of his wives for a full month, living with Mary alone". "Der Koran" translated by Ludwig Ullmann, Footnote 2 of Surah 661-2, p. 456 (The complete story is told in the Rauzatu'r Safa, Vol. II, p. 18.At this appropriate time Muhammad was given a suitable "revelation" Surah 661-3,5
Sura-66 (Al-Tahrim)
1?O Prophet! Why bannest thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives? And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
2? Allah hath made lawful for you (Muslims) absolution from your oaths (of such a kind), and Allah is your Protector. He is the Knower, the Wise.
3? When the Prophet confided a fact unto one of his wives and when she afterward divulged it and Allah apprised him thereof, he made known (to her) part thereof and passed over part. And when he told it her she said Who hath told thee? He said The Knower, the Aware hath told me.
4?If ye twain turn unto Allah repentant, (ye have cause to do so) for your hearts desired (the ban); and if ye aid one another against him (Muhammad) then lo! Allah, even He, is his protecting Friend, and Gabriel and the righteous among the believers; and furthermore the angels are his helpers.
5?It may happen that his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your stead wives better than you, submissive (to Allah), believing, pious, penitent, inclined to fasting, widows and maidsAl-Baizawi, (Commentary Vol. II, pp. 340-341), the Qur'anic commentator, gives an explanation of this passage
"It is related that Mohammed was alone in company with Mary in Ayesha's or Hafsah's turn. Hafsah became aware of that and therefore scolded him about it. He declared he had taken an oath, but admitted his unlawful behaviour, therefore these verses descended".
Mizanu'l Haqq, p. 330; (The "Mishkat" names Zainab instead of Hafsah); Mishkat II, p. 680-681
many a Muslim takes grave offense at the above recorded event. To illustrate this, and extract from the book "Namoose Rasool" by Hafiz Muhammad Sawar Qureshi is added
"In Defense of the Honor of Muhammad
Peace and blessing of Allah be on him
One day in April 1978, I was studying Maudoodi's famous commentary on the Qur'an, Tafhimul Qur'an, volume 4. I had to look up something concerning the wives of the Prophet. Suddenly I read this about Mary the Copt (may Allah be pleased with her) '(The Prophet of God) took Mary Qabtia, who had been sent by the Maqauqus (ruler of Egypt) especially for himself. The first three mentioned he freed and married but with Mary he had intercourse on the basis of his having her in his power. It is not proven about her that he freed her and married her' (Tafhimul Qur'an, Vol. 4, commentary on sura al-Ahzab, verse 50, note number 88, pages 113-114).
Such was the effect of this reading on my mind and soul that, without exaggeration, for three straight days I could no longer believe even in the prophethood and messengership of Muhammad (may peace and blessings of Allah be on him). Again and again I said to my friends See and check. Has Maudoodi actually written that about Mary the Copt which I have understood? At my insistence, my friends again and again read the relevant passage and said to me Surely this writings means what you have understood it to mean.The sad fact is that Mary the Copt was a concubine of Muhammad. The conclusion that 'what must not be cannot be' is as false as the supposition that Islam put an end to slavery.
peace.
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shock More fuel for the cartoonists !
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Brother Agent
sura Al Tahrim was not revealed bevause of what you posted above regarding Mary the copt, in fact Mary the copt has nothing to do with it, this is a total lie bro
I can tell you the story if you want I responded to it before some months back, I have to find the comment though
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peace Ahmed,
you wrote
sura Al Tahrim was not revealed bevause of what you posted above regarding Mary the copt, in fact Mary the copt has nothing to do with it, this is a total lie bro
brother Ahmed i agree with you regarding Mary the copt. This post was to share with others what our mullahs were/are teaching and how they interpret/explain certain verses supported by the hadiths. The entire post, including the verses were copied from some site i cant remember.
AhmedI can tell you the story if you want I responded to it before some months back, I have to find the comment though
if you can find them easily please do post them again.
peace.
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[quote="shamsul-arefin
hello...Can u answer this question with a simple yes or no D
Is it Ok to have sex with slaves?
Does Islam allow Slavery ?
peace
Salaams and peace ..
Yep, I can answer with "a simple yes or no" and more ..
NO, Islam does NOT allow slavery, but at the same time it does not encourage overnight abolition of slavery in a society where this system has been rife for centuries, for that could carry grave risks of creating lawlessness, insecurity and revenge with people going on a rampage misusing their newly found freedom. Therefore, Islam strongly encourages teaching and educating slaves, and whenever the master/mistress is sure that their slaves are ready to lead independent lives, he or she must set them free by giving them a sum of money to start their lives. Coming from a country where the feudal system is rampant in the rural areas, I certainly prefer the strategy of gradual abolition rather than a revolutionary style eradication.
YES, during the days when slavery was an acceptable norm of the society, sex was considered ok with slaves. Not just sex, but almost anything was thought okay with or for slaves. But with the advent of Islam, the dictates of the Glorious Qur'aan brought about many restrictions & positive amendments regarding a master's behaviour toward his slaves .. one of which was that female slaves cannot be forced to have sex if they prefer to preserve their virginity. And of course, not having slaves at all by freeing them whenever possible is nearest to piety as per the values of the Glorious Qur'aan. Besides, the Qur'aan also mentions the freeing of slaves as a penalty for various wrong deeds. It would help a person to atone for their sins in the days when slavery existed.
And Allah knows best, surely!
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The sad fact is that Mary the Copt was a concubine of Muhammad. The conclusion that 'what must not be cannot be' is as false as the supposition that Islam put an end to slavery.
peace.
Marya was a coptic slave presented to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) by the ruler of Egypt, but she did not remain a slave for long. Soon after she was presented to the Prophet, he freed her and married her legally, just the way he was married to Aisha and Hafsah. This is the fact and it is history. If certain people wish to twist it for their own reasons, that's a different matter.
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peace zainab,
you wrote.
agentxxx wrote
The sad fact is that Mary the Copt was a concubine of Muhammad. The conclusion that 'what must not be cannot be' is as false as the supposition that Islam put an end to slavery.
peace.
zainabMarya was a coptic slave presented to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) by the ruler of Egypt, but she did not remain a slave for long. Soon after she was presented to the Prophet, he freed her and married her legally, just the way he was married to Aisha and Hafsah. This is the fact and it is history. If certain people wish to twist it for their own reasons, that's a different matter.
sis i didnt write it, i just copied and pasted it here
There are so many different version available regarding marya that it is difficult to paint a clear picture. this information is from the link provided by brother shamsul-arefin.Ibn Katheer said
Taking a concubine as well as a wife is permissible according to the law of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him). Ibraaheem did that with Haajar, when he took her as a concubine when he was married to Saarah.
Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/383
And Ibn Katheer also said
The phrase ?and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses ? whom Allaah has given to you? means, it is permissible for you take concubines from among those whom you seized as war booty. He took possession of Safiyyah and Juwayriyah and he freed them and married them; he took possession of Rayhaanah bint Sham?oon al-Nadariyyah and Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibraaheem (peace be upon them both), and they were among his concubines, may Allaah be pleased with them both.
Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/500
The scholars are unanimously agreed that it is permissible.
Ibn Qudaamah said
There is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one's slave woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning)
?And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.?
Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah was the umm walad (a slave woman who bore her master a child) of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and she was the mother of Ibraaheem, the son of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), of whom he said, ?Her son set her free.? Haajar, the mother of Isma?eel (peace be upon him), was the concubine of Ibraaheem the close friend (khaleel) of the Most Merciful (peace be upon him). ?Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) had a number of slave women who bore him children, to each of whom he left four hundred in his will. ?Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) had slave women who bore him children, as did many of the Sahaabah. ?Ali ibn al-Husayn, al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad and Saalim ibn ?Abd-Allaah were all born from slave mothers
Al-Mughni, 10/441
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage.
This is indicated by the Qur?aan and Sunnah, and this was done by the Prophets. Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) took Haajar as a concubine and she bore him Ismaa?eel (may peace be upon them all).
Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also did that, as did the Sahaabah, the righteous and the scholars. The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.comsis, i think i must show this one to my wife lol
The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them. Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com
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peace zainab,
sis i didnt write it, i just copied and pasted it here
There are so many different version available regarding marya that it is difficult to paint a clear picture. this information is from the link provided by brother shamsul-arefin.Okay agent ..
Actually it is just a very simple and straightforward episode, exactly as I mentioned. There's no need to get confused.People keep painting different pictures of everything and in every era. Such gossip is inherent of human nature. But that cannot change the truth nor prevent it from standing out. We just need to be a little perceptive as we go about seeking truth and make sure we acquire it from the proper sources.
Needless to say, this information provided by br. shams-ul-arefin is total nonsense.
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thanks all for the answer....
If Quran allowed sex with slaves than its also allowing slavery.....this doesnt sound right to me. A nice excuse to have so many sexual partners...........I dont understand why muslims accuse ppl if they have gf/bf or sex before marriage between couples.
Why dont we just get straight..!!! sex is ok between two person who are willing to share their body with each other thru understanding. Forget abt all these institutional marriage. where is the harm here?
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thanks all for the answer....
If Quran allowed sex with slaves than its also allowing slavery.....this doesnt sound right to me. A nice excuse to have so many sexual partners...........I dont understand why muslims accuse ppl if they have gf/bf or sex before marriage between couples.
Why dont we just get straight..!!! sex is ok between two person who are willing to share their body with each other thru understanding. Forget abt all these institutional marriage. where is the harm here?
peace
What a 'grand' misinterpretation by a mind doused in ignorance!
" ... Unto us our works and unto you your works. Peace be unto you! We desire not the ignorant." (2855)
Thanks for your comments.
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thanks all for the answer....
If Quran allowed sex with slaves than its also allowing slavery.....this doesnt sound right to me. A nice excuse to have so many sexual partners...........I dont understand why muslims accuse ppl if they have gf/bf or sex before marriage between couples.
Why dont we just get straight..!!! sex is ok between two person who are willing to share their body with each other thru understanding. Forget abt all these institutional marriage. where is the harm here?
peace
What a 'grand' misinterpretation by a mind doused in ignorance!
" ... Unto us our works and unto you your works. Peace be unto you! We desire not the ignorant." (2855)
Thanks for your comments.
plss... experiment that on urself..........to be straight forward...I see lot of beating around the bush here.
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peace zainab,
sis, i think i must show this one to my wife lol
The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them. Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com
peace.
Salaam Alaikum and peace ..
Hey brother! By all means you can show it to your wife. If she possesses even with an iota of common sense, she won't be pushed. Please read my post on this thread dated Feb.5. This law is not valid any longer. It was valid only as long as slavery was an accepted universal system. Unfortunately for men, slavery has now officially been abolished from 'planet earth.' So, your new choices are .. you either have a free woman as your mistress or stay with your wife. If you're brave, try telling her this instead of an obsolete law no longer in practice, can you? Not to worry .. I'll nurse you if you end up with any broken bones lol
Moreover, lets not forget, even when this culture was practiced, it wasn't introduced by Islam. It existed hundreds (if not thousands) of years prior to Islam. But Islam implemented several laws & responsibilities on slave owners for the protection of slaves, female slaves in particular.
JazekAllah Khair ..