The prefix "MU"
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Peace,
Here's the results of my research so far. There were some Hebrew graphics that are not showing but I don't think it matters.Muhammadun as used in the ?Qur?aan? is not a proper noun. It is a derivative of the verb H-M-D (appreciate/acclaim/praise). The messenger of the reading (qur?aan), is referred to as muhammadun. It is important to understand the full meaning of the words generated by the Arabic root H-M-D. These words retain the essence of this definition. Mahmud, praise; ahmadu, most praised; muhammadun, the praised one.
In the ?Qur'aan?, the word muhammad-un is a *participle and functions as a common **nominative noun.
*PARTICIPLES come in two varieties past and present and they have three functions in sentences. They can be components of multipart verbs , or they can function as adjectives or nouns. Past and present participles often function as adjectives that describe nouns. Present participles can function as nouns--the subjects, objects, and complements in sentences.
**NOMINATIVE serving as or indicating the SUBJECT of a verb- the subject is who or what DOES the verb. In the Arabic language this grammatical singular case ending is ?un?.
Mu-hammad-un = nominative case noun *indefinite, the subject (the doer) of the verb.*The indefinite corresponds generally to the English noun with the indefinite article ?a? (plural ?some?) For example a man, some men. For a noun to be definite it must be preceded by the definite article ?the? or be first in a construct. For example kitabu-r-rajuli, the man?s book, kitabu rijali, a man?s book. The first word in this construct never takes the definite article. When the second word in this construct in indefinite, the whole phrase is indefinite, otherwise the phrase is definite. )
This is the grammatical breakdown of the word muhammadun
The case ending ?un? is singular and in this form mu-hammad-un is
- Derived from the verb HaMiDa {Definition Root-H-M-D Hamida-he praised, Hamdun true praise. This word not only embodies the idea of thankfulness but also has reference to the intrinsic qualities of the object of praise. Hamd is always true and used only about such acts as are volitional. It also implies admiration, magnifying and honoring of the object of praise, humility and submissiveness in the person who offers it. Hamd is a praise which is offered in appreciation of commendable action of one worthy of praise.
It also includes lauding one who has done a favor of his own volition and according to his own choice. It is not only a true praise but also an admiration. The word shukr, thanks, differs from Hamd in the sense that its application is restricted to beneficent qualities and praise. The word Madha, gratitude, differs from Hamd in the sense that it also applies to involuntary beneficence. The word hamd is much more comprehensive than shukr.
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MU- a participle prefix meaning the person or thing to which the ACTION of the verb H-M-D has been APPLIED. It is attached to a derivative of a verb.
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haMMad Derivative of H-M-D Form II (fa-?a?a-la doubling of the middle root consonant) meaning, carrying out an action TO someone or something else and can also give a verb the meaning of DOING something INTENSIVELY and or REPEATEDLY]
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Muhammad-in the genitive case ending. The genitive case is a grammatical case that indicates a relationship, primarily one of possession, between the noun in the genitive case and another noun. In English it is expressed by using the word ?of? or an apostrophe ?s?. It is used with prepositions (in, from, on, upon etc.) as in the case of ?ala, ?upon?.
In aHMaDu is the *elative form of H-M-D.
It means most appreciated/acclaimed/praised. Isa says "?his designation (ismahu) will be most appreciated- acclaimed-praised". It functions as an adjective. It is not a proper noun or name.
The word muhammadun can be found in the reading in three places quoted above. As muhammadun and as muhammadin, ?ALA RASUL God descends the truth upon the appreciated one . All have the same root, H-M-D. These are not proper nouns.You also will not find this word, muhammadun, appearing in the reading preceded by ?YAA? which is common of vocative *particles used in calling one who is near, (like O!) and who is far in place or high degree to him who is between near and distant. A few examples from the list of its extensive use are O Musa, O Isa, O Iblis and even O jibaalu (mountains, yet inanimate objects but they are being addressed by God). There is no O Muhammad.
- O Messenger, let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the guided,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God?s will to clean their hearts/thinking. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the hereafter a heavy punishment.
See Lanes Lexicon Vol. 2 pg. 640c ref. muhammadun ?a man praised much, or repeatedly, or time after time endowed with many praiseworthy qualities.?
See Lanes Lexicon Vol. 2 pg. 639c ref. ahmad He (a man,) came to a state, or result, such as was praised, or commended, or approved; properly, his affair, or case, came to such a state or result he did, or said, that for which he should be praised, or commended; or that which was praiseworthy, or commendable;?Mahmud according to LL means ?the station in which its occupant shall be praised by all creatures (on the day of resurrection)?Vol. 2 pg 640a
O MESSENGER
Notice No ?O Muhammad? Why?- O Messenger, let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the guided,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God?s will to clean their hearts/thinking. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the hereafter a heavy punishment.
567 O Messenger. proclaim the (message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord. If thou didst not, thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His mission. And God will defend thee from men (who mean mischief). For God guideth not those who reject Faith.
599 The Messenger?s duty is but to deliver (make reach). But Allah knoweth all that ye reveal and ye conceal.
Mahmud according to LL means ?the station in which its occupant shall be praised by all creatures (on the day of resurrection)?Vol. 2 pg 640a
Special Note ?If Muhammad was the name of the prophet of Islam, why is it that the word Muhammad is not even once mentioned as the name of Islam?s Prophet in classical lexicons??
yuhmadu
Mu-Harram-un & Mu-Hammad-un
Form II verbs with the prefix (mufal) mu, participle, i.e., the action of the verb is applied the person = the ?sanctioned one? & the ?praised one?
Neither are proper nouns2146 Those whom We gave them The Book they RECOGNIZE it, as they recognize their sons, and that a group from them hide/conceal the truth and they are knowing.
Much of the second sura addresses the Bani Israel, the people of the book. These people familiar with the message spoke Hebrew. I note below how they understand the word muhammadun in their language. Religionists have accused them of deliberately translating this word so as to take the ?name? Muhammad out of the prophesies. This word is also used in about 10 other bible verses besides Songs of Solomon 516 and if left un-translated it renders the verses indecipherable. It is food for thought.
Muhammad In Hebrew? Mem-chet (het)-mem-dalet-memHis mouth is most sweet; yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.'
The 5th chapter of Songs of Solomon is discussing someone. In reading the English translation of Songs 516 it finishes the description by saying "He is altogether lovely". The words "altogether lovely" was translated from mahmad ( ).
The way this word is written is Hebrew is . Let's look at the spelling of this word...It has four characters. Going from right to left they are...
When writing in Hebrew, there is no difference between the word mahmad ( ) and muhammad ( ). The only difference is in the vowels used when pronouncing this word ( ). Hebrew is an ancient language, and there are no vowels. It is made up of 22 consonants. In ancient times, the reader decided on his own which vowels to add in. It was not until the 8th century that vowels were introduced, in the form of dots and lines. However, this has nothing to do with real Hebrew. The word mahmad ( ) in ancient times would most likely have been pronounced "mahamad".
According to Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary, is correctly pronounced "mahamad" (not mahmad) which is very close to muhammad.Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary defines " " as "LOVELY, COVETED ONE, PRECIOUS ONE, PRAISED ONE". The correct way to say "praised one" in Arabic is muhammad, so this is the same word.
Muhammad ( ) and the word mahmad ( ) are spelled exactly the same way in Hebrew, and both have the same meaning. The only reason they are pronounced different is because of vowels (dots and lines) introduced in the eighth century. The Hebrew word for praised one isRegarding the etymology of "Muhammad" as being the "Transferred Proper Noun," (as proposed by one reader), I must say that it's nothing more than a hypothesis.
The sound and surer etymology of the word "Muhammad," on the contrary, is as follows
Root H-M-D
Active participle of the Verbal Form I HamaDa.
Passive participle of the Verbal Form I MaHm?d.
Active participle of the Verbal Form II HammaDa
Passive participle of the Verbal Form II MuHammaD.
But the surety of etymology in Classical Arabic ends here. Any attempt to trace the Proper Noun to such trilateral VERBAL roots is bound to remain a hypothesis.
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Hello
The important Question for those who spent all that time tracing a four letter arabic word they represent with many more english letters, do they believe Mohammad existed for real and was born in abouit 570 AD?
if not then they have a big problem through many verses in the Quran that they will not be be able to explain even by using their root method
also the prophet was called many times using the "Yaa" in advance, if you search for the following "Yaa Ayoha Al Nabi" you will get about 13 times he was called as such, therefore he was called using Ya more than any other prophet
Yes Mohammad means the praised one, so what?, I really can't get it, would that mean I'm bloody perfect because my name is Ahmed? so be it if that is the case but that does not mean I'm not real though
cheers
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
The important Question for those who spent all that time tracing a four letter arabic word they represent with many more english letters, do they believe Mohammad existed for real and was born in abouit 570 AD?
Follow nothing you have no knowledge of.
if not then they have a big problem through many verses in the Quran that they will not be be able to explain even by using their root method
Thee is not one single occuurnce of the word "muhammad" nor "ahmad" that cannot be explained.
also the prophet was called many times using the "Yaa" in advance, if you search for the following "Yaa Ayoha Al Nabi" you will get about 13 times he was called as such, therefore he was called using Ya more than any other prophet
Nabi refers to one who intuits the God's universal LAW. It is blind following of our fathers that has us CHAINED to this false association of a man from 570AD that we cant verify and the concept of "nabi", or should I say the association as the ONLY "nabi".
Yes Mohammad means the praised one, so what?,
Not THE praised one, there is no "AL" there, only exalted one.
I really can't get it, would that mean I'm bloody perfect because my name is Ahmed?
No, not if its your name, but if it is your DESCRIPTION by way of observation, then you might have a better chance at being perfect(Holy).
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
The important Question for those who spent all that time tracing a four letter arabic word they represent with many more english letters, do they believe Mohammad existed for real and was born in abouit 570 AD?
Follow nothing you have no knowledge of.
Peace Kyle
mate, you can't tell me that something is already clear as light with zillions of evidences that Mohammad exixted for real, can be considered we have no knowledge of, this is so bizzare mate
I received the 3 arabic grammar books and I have the refute for you from it fair and square, because it deals with name mohammad a lot and clearly explain what names like Mohammad, Ahmad means, even gramatical wise it will refute you fair and square, I will need my time to photo copy the books and the grammar charts "coverung all the grammar" then convert it to htmal pages as well translate it for the other, I actually had a dream yesterday to to start a thread about learning arabic where I will keep posting info from these three books, a lot of work to do and yet can't figure out when I can do it
Mohammad and Ahamad are humans names as explained by the books and also their wazn is not included in something called "Asmaa Al Afaal Khamsa" which means 5 wazns to create different 5 nouns from it, this is the general rule to create nouns using only 5 wazns, you will see that the wazn of Mohammad is not one of those
if not then they have a big problem through many verses in the Quran that they will not be be able to explain even by using their root method
Thee is not one single occuurnce of the word "muhammad" nor "ahmad" that cannot be explained.
I donlt understand what you mean, but why donlt you explkain to us the following humans names
1- Isa
2- Hud
3- Lut
4- Nuh
5- Ibrahim
6- Yaqoub
7- Yehya
8- Harun
9- Mosa
10- Yunis
11- Idris
12- Iliasthanks
also the prophet was called many times using the "Yaa" in advance, if you search for the following "Yaa Ayoha Al Nabi" you will get about 13 times he was called as such, therefore he was called using Ya more than any other prophet
Nabi refers to one who intuits the God's universal LAW. It is blind following of our fathers that has us CHAINED to this false association of a man from 570AD that we cant verify and the concept of "nabi", or should I say the association as the ONLY "nabi".
you have no proof of the above confusing statemenet, Mohammad existed for real and his grave still on earth, you just need to find a way of opening it to prove it for your self, I donlt need to prove it further for me
Yes Mohammad means the praised one, so what?,
Not THE praised one, there is no "AL" there, only exalted one.
thanks , now t I have 2 so whats for you?
I really can't get it, would that mean I'm bloody perfect because my name is Ahmed?
No, not if its your name, but if it is your DESCRIPTION by way of observation, then you might have a better chance at being perfect(Holy).
I yet donlt understand where you got that unfounded opinion that Mohammad is a decription to him?,
if you think that Maqaman Mahmoodan is your evidence then SORRY THINK NOT AS MAHMOODAN IS A DESCRIPTION TO THE MAQAM NOT TO ANY HUMAN, SEE HOW YOU GOT IT WRONG?, NOT TO METION THAT MAHMOODAN IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORD TO THE OTHER WORD MOHAMMAD
cheers
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
Feel free to believe the same way you have been believing. There is no compulsion. Truth is clear from falsehood.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
Feel free to believe the same way you have been believing. There is no compulsion. Truth is clear from falsehood.
Peace Kyle
sure, likewise to with you, but what is your response to the last comment about the maqaman Mohamoodan?
cheers
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Peace brother Kyle
your argument that I'm following my parents is not sensible,
firstly I agree I'm following them, or I should say they raised me this way, but when i grew up I invistigated the matter and found that it makes great sense so I follow it
it will be silly of me to just reject it because it is an old fassion thingy done by my parnets
if it makes sense then it must be accpeted
now what you say that Mohammad didnlt exist, does npot make sense to me
do you think the man burried in that grave is not Mohammad?
if so, can you please provide your evidences it does not have to be Quranic though, I will acceot any compelling historical evidence you can get, I vistied that grave once and I know hundreds who visited his grave
cheers
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
I will not address any graves, there is no proof there.
if you think that Maqaman Mahmoodan is your evidence
My evidence is that the word "muhammadun" is like any other word with the prefix "mu". What did I say about "maqaman mahmoodan"?
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
I will not address any graves, there is no proof there.
if you think that Maqaman Mahmoodan is your evidence
My evidence is that the word "muhammadun" is like any other word with the prefix "mu". What did I say about "maqaman mahmoodan"?
Salam
ok regarding the maqam, I thought you are using this verse as many here do to explain the word Mohammad
salam
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Peace Ahmed, all
Just to attract your attention to the word "mahmoudan", it is a description as you said, but it is also used as a person's name as "mahmoud". Does it nullify the fact that it is a description?
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Peace mate
Firstly there many names that come out of H M D
Ahmed
Mahmood
Mohammad
Hamdy
Hemdan
Hamad
Hamid
Hamoda
Hamida
all the above are common humans names
the context will tell us if it is a human name or a decription
for example
Mohammad is a prophet, means Mohammad is a human name
Mohammad is Mohamoodan, means Mohammd is praised
can you see the diference
sure enough when we name people we choose nice meaningful names, it is impossible to name somone Shit for example
peace
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
I have achieved the goal that I set out to achieve by starting this post. I hope one day that you will take a step back and detach yourself from tradition, put a barrier between you and what you learned before and take a deep look at it.
Respectfully.
Thanks to all for thier contributions, especially Grourself for the very detailed post.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
Peace mate
I have achieved the goal that I set out to achieve by starting this post. I hope one day that you will take a step back and detach yourself from tradition, put a barrier between you and what you learned before and take a deep look at it.
Respectfully.
Mate, your argument against me is not sound
You can?t just say I?m wrong because I follow traditions, this is something you created indeed and made up as if all traditions are wrong
I agreed that a lot of traditions are damn wrong, but that in NO WAY means all of it are wrong, in fact I bet there are more traditions than wrong ones
But for those who reject the truth because it is followed by some traditions I guess they have absolutely no merit UNLESS THEY PROVE THE TRADITIONIST WRONG in any specific subject
Now the subject we have in hand is Mohammad existed for real or not?
The traditions supported by the Quran and history confirm this 100%, therefore for any one to come and say the contrary must provide hard core evidences to support their claim
The point is they try to use the Arabic language to support their claim by inventing many strange things like the Mu thing in this thread which have absolutely no merit in the Arabic language, the merit is the whole word not the Mu
With total respect to you mate
peace
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Peace
Mohammad is Mohamoodan
Does the reading state it this way? The words are in different ayat.
Joe
Salam Joe
Sorry Joe, I meant Mahmoodan, not Mohamoodan, a spell error due to the flawed method of writing arabic wards using english letters
salam
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Peae Ahmed
I know what you meant. That's why I put in brackets the ayat corresponding to the word/s. So I'm still asking does the reading state it the way you do?
Mohammad is Mohmoodan
Joe
Peace mate
let me try to work out your question
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the word in 3144 should be pronouncd without any tashkil as follow "Mohammad", the double dummah on the last letter makes it pronounced "Mohammadon" but that double dummah was not there when the quran was revealed
the verse clearly proves that Mohammad was a real man who was a messenger like any other messneger appointed by Allah before him, and Allah is warning us the we should not go astry if that messeneger DIED OR KILLED, dies or killed clealy states that Mohammad was a live human at the time of the Quran, sure he must be because he is the one that brought the Quran, the people then didn't find it in the streets, and the Quran took 23 years to be revealed on that man
I have to go to have lunch but I will look at the other verses tonight or tomorrow morning as I need to have an early rest today, I had a hell of a fight with 5 enemies of Islam on the anti Islam web site and I spent all day making movies, I did about 15 movies in the last 3 days alone
cheers
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Peace Kyle, Ahmad
Please let me make some notes
I think what you have to be aware of is that the names where already existing even before the existence of Islam. So the Nabi Muhammed was named like this as a baby just like his daddy was named Abd Allah (the Servant of God) without being a muslim. These names became muslim names later.
Yes Mohammad means the praised one, so what?,
Not THE praised one, there is no "AL" there, only exalted one.
This confussion arises because you have to translate it somehow into english. English as the most european languages doesn't have that tool like arabic to compound suffixes and prefixes and getting one specific meaning. To translate that into english you just have to use this unfortunate solution in describing it and say the one who... . I am sure if you take the word in the nativeamerican language for "dances with the wolfes" you will find only one word, cause this is how the language is made.
Arabic is a very specific language and to translate it you need sometimes more words to get the meaning in the translation.
So it is The praised one - even without the Al.Kyle, do you wanna say in this thread that Prophet Muhammed didn't live as a real person? I don't get your point of view really. Would you be kind enough to explain once more what was your purpose to find out with this thread?
Regards
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the double dummah on the last letter makes it pronounced "Mohammadon" but that double dummah was not there when the quran was revealed
the verse clearly proves that Mohammad was a real man who was a messenger like any other messneger appointed by Allah before him, and Allah is warning us the we should not go astry if that messeneger DIED OR KILLED, dies or killed clealy states that Mohammad was a live human at the time of the Quran, sure he must be because he is the one that brought the Quran, the people then didn't find it in the streets, and the Quran took 23 years to be revealed on that man
It's ?amma(h) (/dhamma(h)) and not dumma. Isn't that something that a claimed native arab speaker should know of?
When it comes to this imaginary prophet Mohammed...has it never struck you that this "muhammad" always appears out of nowhere and vanishes as fast again? Never inside a context of a story or something that has to do with narratives. We get no clue what so ever to who this is. And the thing is that all of the other prophet names are in fact proper names not conjugated words when "muhammad" in fact IS a conjugation thus no proper name.
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When it comes to this imaginary prophet Mohammed...has it never struck you that this "muhammad" always appears out of nowhere and vanishes as fast again? Never inside a context of a story or something that has to do with narratives. We get no clue what so ever to who this is. And the thing is that all of the other prophet names are in fact proper names not conjugated words when "muhammad" in fact IS a conjugation thus no proper name.
Now if Mohammed is imaginary, how exactly is it that we got the Koran? Care to explain?