The prefix "MU"
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
The important Question for those who spent all that time tracing a four letter arabic word they represent with many more english letters, do they believe Mohammad existed for real and was born in abouit 570 AD?
Follow nothing you have no knowledge of.
Peace Kyle
mate, you can't tell me that something is already clear as light with zillions of evidences that Mohammad exixted for real, can be considered we have no knowledge of, this is so bizzare mate
I received the 3 arabic grammar books and I have the refute for you from it fair and square, because it deals with name mohammad a lot and clearly explain what names like Mohammad, Ahmad means, even gramatical wise it will refute you fair and square, I will need my time to photo copy the books and the grammar charts "coverung all the grammar" then convert it to htmal pages as well translate it for the other, I actually had a dream yesterday to to start a thread about learning arabic where I will keep posting info from these three books, a lot of work to do and yet can't figure out when I can do it
Mohammad and Ahamad are humans names as explained by the books and also their wazn is not included in something called "Asmaa Al Afaal Khamsa" which means 5 wazns to create different 5 nouns from it, this is the general rule to create nouns using only 5 wazns, you will see that the wazn of Mohammad is not one of those
if not then they have a big problem through many verses in the Quran that they will not be be able to explain even by using their root method
Thee is not one single occuurnce of the word "muhammad" nor "ahmad" that cannot be explained.
I donlt understand what you mean, but why donlt you explkain to us the following humans names
1- Isa
2- Hud
3- Lut
4- Nuh
5- Ibrahim
6- Yaqoub
7- Yehya
8- Harun
9- Mosa
10- Yunis
11- Idris
12- Iliasthanks
also the prophet was called many times using the "Yaa" in advance, if you search for the following "Yaa Ayoha Al Nabi" you will get about 13 times he was called as such, therefore he was called using Ya more than any other prophet
Nabi refers to one who intuits the God's universal LAW. It is blind following of our fathers that has us CHAINED to this false association of a man from 570AD that we cant verify and the concept of "nabi", or should I say the association as the ONLY "nabi".
you have no proof of the above confusing statemenet, Mohammad existed for real and his grave still on earth, you just need to find a way of opening it to prove it for your self, I donlt need to prove it further for me
Yes Mohammad means the praised one, so what?,
Not THE praised one, there is no "AL" there, only exalted one.
thanks , now t I have 2 so whats for you?
I really can't get it, would that mean I'm bloody perfect because my name is Ahmed?
No, not if its your name, but if it is your DESCRIPTION by way of observation, then you might have a better chance at being perfect(Holy).
I yet donlt understand where you got that unfounded opinion that Mohammad is a decription to him?,
if you think that Maqaman Mahmoodan is your evidence then SORRY THINK NOT AS MAHMOODAN IS A DESCRIPTION TO THE MAQAM NOT TO ANY HUMAN, SEE HOW YOU GOT IT WRONG?, NOT TO METION THAT MAHMOODAN IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORD TO THE OTHER WORD MOHAMMAD
cheers
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
Feel free to believe the same way you have been believing. There is no compulsion. Truth is clear from falsehood.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
Feel free to believe the same way you have been believing. There is no compulsion. Truth is clear from falsehood.
Peace Kyle
sure, likewise to with you, but what is your response to the last comment about the maqaman Mohamoodan?
cheers
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Peace brother Kyle
your argument that I'm following my parents is not sensible,
firstly I agree I'm following them, or I should say they raised me this way, but when i grew up I invistigated the matter and found that it makes great sense so I follow it
it will be silly of me to just reject it because it is an old fassion thingy done by my parnets
if it makes sense then it must be accpeted
now what you say that Mohammad didnlt exist, does npot make sense to me
do you think the man burried in that grave is not Mohammad?
if so, can you please provide your evidences it does not have to be Quranic though, I will acceot any compelling historical evidence you can get, I vistied that grave once and I know hundreds who visited his grave
cheers
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
I will not address any graves, there is no proof there.
if you think that Maqaman Mahmoodan is your evidence
My evidence is that the word "muhammadun" is like any other word with the prefix "mu". What did I say about "maqaman mahmoodan"?
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
I will not address any graves, there is no proof there.
if you think that Maqaman Mahmoodan is your evidence
My evidence is that the word "muhammadun" is like any other word with the prefix "mu". What did I say about "maqaman mahmoodan"?
Salam
ok regarding the maqam, I thought you are using this verse as many here do to explain the word Mohammad
salam
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Peace Ahmed, all
Just to attract your attention to the word "mahmoudan", it is a description as you said, but it is also used as a person's name as "mahmoud". Does it nullify the fact that it is a description?
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Peace mate
Firstly there many names that come out of H M D
Ahmed
Mahmood
Mohammad
Hamdy
Hemdan
Hamad
Hamid
Hamoda
Hamida
all the above are common humans names
the context will tell us if it is a human name or a decription
for example
Mohammad is a prophet, means Mohammad is a human name
Mohammad is Mohamoodan, means Mohammd is praised
can you see the diference
sure enough when we name people we choose nice meaningful names, it is impossible to name somone Shit for example
peace
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
I have achieved the goal that I set out to achieve by starting this post. I hope one day that you will take a step back and detach yourself from tradition, put a barrier between you and what you learned before and take a deep look at it.
Respectfully.
Thanks to all for thier contributions, especially Grourself for the very detailed post.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
Peace mate
I have achieved the goal that I set out to achieve by starting this post. I hope one day that you will take a step back and detach yourself from tradition, put a barrier between you and what you learned before and take a deep look at it.
Respectfully.
Mate, your argument against me is not sound
You can?t just say I?m wrong because I follow traditions, this is something you created indeed and made up as if all traditions are wrong
I agreed that a lot of traditions are damn wrong, but that in NO WAY means all of it are wrong, in fact I bet there are more traditions than wrong ones
But for those who reject the truth because it is followed by some traditions I guess they have absolutely no merit UNLESS THEY PROVE THE TRADITIONIST WRONG in any specific subject
Now the subject we have in hand is Mohammad existed for real or not?
The traditions supported by the Quran and history confirm this 100%, therefore for any one to come and say the contrary must provide hard core evidences to support their claim
The point is they try to use the Arabic language to support their claim by inventing many strange things like the Mu thing in this thread which have absolutely no merit in the Arabic language, the merit is the whole word not the Mu
With total respect to you mate
peace
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Peace
Mohammad is Mohamoodan
Does the reading state it this way? The words are in different ayat.
Joe
Salam Joe
Sorry Joe, I meant Mahmoodan, not Mohamoodan, a spell error due to the flawed method of writing arabic wards using english letters
salam
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Peae Ahmed
I know what you meant. That's why I put in brackets the ayat corresponding to the word/s. So I'm still asking does the reading state it the way you do?
Mohammad is Mohmoodan
Joe
Peace mate
let me try to work out your question
(144)
the word in 3144 should be pronouncd without any tashkil as follow "Mohammad", the double dummah on the last letter makes it pronounced "Mohammadon" but that double dummah was not there when the quran was revealed
the verse clearly proves that Mohammad was a real man who was a messenger like any other messneger appointed by Allah before him, and Allah is warning us the we should not go astry if that messeneger DIED OR KILLED, dies or killed clealy states that Mohammad was a live human at the time of the Quran, sure he must be because he is the one that brought the Quran, the people then didn't find it in the streets, and the Quran took 23 years to be revealed on that man
I have to go to have lunch but I will look at the other verses tonight or tomorrow morning as I need to have an early rest today, I had a hell of a fight with 5 enemies of Islam on the anti Islam web site and I spent all day making movies, I did about 15 movies in the last 3 days alone
cheers
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Peace Kyle, Ahmad
Please let me make some notes
I think what you have to be aware of is that the names where already existing even before the existence of Islam. So the Nabi Muhammed was named like this as a baby just like his daddy was named Abd Allah (the Servant of God) without being a muslim. These names became muslim names later.
Yes Mohammad means the praised one, so what?,
Not THE praised one, there is no "AL" there, only exalted one.
This confussion arises because you have to translate it somehow into english. English as the most european languages doesn't have that tool like arabic to compound suffixes and prefixes and getting one specific meaning. To translate that into english you just have to use this unfortunate solution in describing it and say the one who... . I am sure if you take the word in the nativeamerican language for "dances with the wolfes" you will find only one word, cause this is how the language is made.
Arabic is a very specific language and to translate it you need sometimes more words to get the meaning in the translation.
So it is The praised one - even without the Al.Kyle, do you wanna say in this thread that Prophet Muhammed didn't live as a real person? I don't get your point of view really. Would you be kind enough to explain once more what was your purpose to find out with this thread?
Regards
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the double dummah on the last letter makes it pronounced "Mohammadon" but that double dummah was not there when the quran was revealed
the verse clearly proves that Mohammad was a real man who was a messenger like any other messneger appointed by Allah before him, and Allah is warning us the we should not go astry if that messeneger DIED OR KILLED, dies or killed clealy states that Mohammad was a live human at the time of the Quran, sure he must be because he is the one that brought the Quran, the people then didn't find it in the streets, and the Quran took 23 years to be revealed on that man
It's ?amma(h) (/dhamma(h)) and not dumma. Isn't that something that a claimed native arab speaker should know of?
When it comes to this imaginary prophet Mohammed...has it never struck you that this "muhammad" always appears out of nowhere and vanishes as fast again? Never inside a context of a story or something that has to do with narratives. We get no clue what so ever to who this is. And the thing is that all of the other prophet names are in fact proper names not conjugated words when "muhammad" in fact IS a conjugation thus no proper name.
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When it comes to this imaginary prophet Mohammed...has it never struck you that this "muhammad" always appears out of nowhere and vanishes as fast again? Never inside a context of a story or something that has to do with narratives. We get no clue what so ever to who this is. And the thing is that all of the other prophet names are in fact proper names not conjugated words when "muhammad" in fact IS a conjugation thus no proper name.
Now if Mohammed is imaginary, how exactly is it that we got the Koran? Care to explain?
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Now if Mohammed is imaginary, how exactly is it that we got the Koran? Care to explain?
Glad you asked.
In fact, we cannot know for sure. I for one belive it is a compilation of many a theological texts that were typed down at the time. Many of the texts are christian and jewish legends, some of them preserved to this day, some hasn't survived (except for in the quranic paraphrase) and some of them are simply those that the author (or most likely authors) came up with at the time.To assume that, unless we find proof that someone wrote it, Muhammed did - is simply not substancial, is it?
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the double dummah on the last letter makes it pronounced "Mohammadon" but that double dummah was not there when the quran was revealed
the verse clearly proves that Mohammad was a real man who was a messenger like any other messneger appointed by Allah before him, and Allah is warning us the we should not go astry if that messeneger DIED OR KILLED, dies or killed clealy states that Mohammad was a live human at the time of the Quran, sure he must be because he is the one that brought the Quran, the people then didn't find it in the streets, and the Quran took 23 years to be revealed on that man
It's ?amma(h) (/dhamma(h)) and not dumma. Isn't that something that a claimed native arab speaker should know of?
When it comes to this imaginary prophet Mohammed...has it never struck you that this "muhammad" always appears out of nowhere and vanishes as fast again? Never inside a context of a story or something that has to do with narratives. We get no clue what so ever to who this is. And the thing is that all of the other prophet names are in fact proper names not conjugated words when "muhammad" in fact IS a conjugation thus no proper name.
Peace El aziz, you are a time waster and obvioulsy you don't know what you talking about
it will be a waste of my valued time to reply to you, therefore I will ignore your comment
peace
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you are a time waster and obvioulsy you don't know what you talking about
As a matter of fact I do...obviously! )
Was I spot on you're not a native arab speaker? Nevermind...it will be a waste of my valued time to reply to you, therefore I will ignore your comment
...but you didn't.
Now you know about the name of the vocalization mark anyway...
/S