gay people and islam

unknownuser

Homosexuality - Crime, Sin, Mental Illness, Inborn Abnormality or Alternative Lifestyle?

Following the publication of our article on Homosexual Marriages we received some letters raising the issue "What is homosexuality?". Is it a crime, a sin, a mental illness, a behavioral disorder, an inborn abnormality or an alternative lifestyle? We consider this question from prime principles below.

Before dealing with these answers, we need to establish clearly what human behaviour or condition we mean, when we talk about homosexuality. To establish that we need to understand the human reproductive process, usually referred to as "sex".

The natural human reproductive process consists of a human male injecting seminal fluid discharged from his penis into the vagina of a human female. This leads to fertilization of the eggs within the womb of the female and eventual birth of a human child. This natural reproductive process of the human species determines the physiological and psychological characteristics of men and women, which are different and reflect their roles in this natural reproductive process. Similar differences between sexes exist in other animal species.

One of the characteristics of this reproductive process is that from time to time men and women feel a strong desire to perform this mutual act of reproduction. This is accompanied by strong emotions of attraction to the opposite sex, love, desire to possess or to belong, envy, jealousy, protectiveness. Often people find it difficult to resist or control these desires and emotions. Similar strong emotions are exhibited in relations of parents to their children. Similar emotion or instinct based reproductive process prevails among other animal species.

But, in addition to emotions and instincts, the human species is endowed with reason and will, which allows it to control emotions and instincts. Human behaviour is a complex interaction between instincts, emotions, reason and will. And the human reproductive process is also affected by this complex interaction.

This complex behaviour within each human individual is also affected by the fact that humans live in social groups. And behaviour of the individuals need to be adapted to life within the group. Thus, in all groups there emerges a moral code (formal or informal) which approves of some forms of behaviour and disapproves of other forms. This also applies to the reproductive process. In most human societies from the early times and up to the second half of the 20th century, all forms of sex related behaviour outside of the framework of heterosexual family were strongly disapproved of, and some forms of sex behaviour, and in particular homosexuality even criminalized. Often this was based on religious teachings, which provided the basis of social morality. Thus, in addition to instincts, emotions, reason and will another factor affects human behaviour - morality.

In the 20th century religion-based morality began to be questioned, and the idea was advanced that homosexuality is not a sin or a crime for which a person is responsible and should be punished, but a "mental illness or personality disorder", for which a person is not responsible, and from which he should be cured.

And towards the end of the 20th century the idea was promoted that homosexuality is not a "mental illness or personality disorder", but a normal form of human behaviour - or "alternative life style".

So what is homosexuality?

It is a behaviour in the course of which a person satisfies his sexual instincts and emotions by interacting with another person of the same sex. Among men this is done by one man using another man's anal passage, mouth, or hand, as if it were a woman's vagina. Homosexual women use their tongues, fingers, or similar objects as a substitute for a male penis. These activities produce sensations and emotions similar to those, experienced during the normal reproductive process. But normal reproductive process it is not. The anal passage is meant for discharge of the products of human digestion, and the mouth for intake of food, not for childbirth, and a finger or tongue cannot make a woman pregnant. This is clearly self-deception and behaviour contrary to that intended by Nature or its Creator.

So why do people engage in such unnatural behaviour? Are people born that way, or do they choose this form of behaviour consciously and voluntarily?

Although it is normal for people to be born with clearly distinct sexual characteristics, it is possible for people to be born with abnormal sexual characteristics. This is similar to people with other congenital abnormalities, like absent, deformed or additional limbs, Siamese twins, etc. Some people are born with underdeveloped, malformed or missing sexual organs. Sometimes the sexual organs of a child are such that it is not clear whether it is a boy or a girl. Some people have inborn behavioral abnormalities. In some cases these abnormalities can be harmless both to the person and others, like a person with six fingers. Sometimes these abnormalities can present a serious handicap to the person, but not to others, like missing limbs. And sometimes a person with congenital abnormalities can be dangerous to others, like a person with violent uncontrollable behaviour.

Yes, people can be born abnormal, but they are not born homosexual. It is meaningless to call a homosexual a person who by virtue of his birth is neither a man, nor a woman - in fact, such people are called hermaphrodites.

Homosexuality is a behaviour, not a physiological characteristic. It is an abnormal behaviour of normal people. It is a result of lack of correct education, and often of corruption by others.

Unlike animals, Man cannot rely exclusively on his instincts and emotions, his instincts and emotions must be controlled by his reason. This control by reason is not inborn, but develops through a prolonged learning process. Usually this happens in a social setting and starts within the family. Even simple instinctive acts like urination are subject to a lengthy learning process. Unlike animals, people do not urinate wherever they feel the urge, they do it in special places. The same applies to the procreational process (sex).

A human person needs to learn to play correctly his role in the procreational process from early childhood. If by the time a person reaches sexual maturity, he has failed to learn his correct role in the procreational process, he can become a victim of his sexual drives which he will misuse, and this can adversely affect the course of his life and can cause harm to others. Rape, marital problems, child molesting, extramarital sex and homosexuality are results of such failure.

In Europe and the Americas, where the social morality in the past was based on the Christian religion, the sex role training was performed by treating sex as a forbidden subject, but girls were expected to follow in the footsteps of their mothers, while boys of their fathers. Sex began at marriage. Sex outside of marriage was condemned, and homosexuality was a crime. Because sex was a taboo, and people were ignorant of anything relating to sex until they were married, young people who developed early or stayed unmarried for a long time were vulnerable to sexual misbehaviour, and could get involved in extramarital sex, or homosexual practices. This lead to some social scandals.

With the religious morality in Europe and the Americas being abandoned in the 20th century, which lead to spread of unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases, sex education was introduced in European and American schools. This, however, was conducted by people, who having liberated themselves from the restrictions of the morality of the past, have failed to develop an understanding of the role of the reproductive process in human life. The sex lessons were mostly concerned with prevention of unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases, and ignored the psychological, emotional and social aspects of sex. The approach was "safe sex" - "enjoy yourself, but use a condom or a pill". Homosexuality was safe from the point of view of unwanted pregnancies and children were encouraged to "discover their sexual orientation" experimentally. The issue of "safe sex" did not arise in respect of homosexuals until the epidemic of AIDS broke out. Again the answer was "play safe - use a condom".

One of the characteristics of sex is, that having tried it once, people want more - it becomes addictive. People also develop emotional dependence on their partners. It is not unknown for professional prostitutes to use this feature of sex to lead their "clients" to financial destitution. This is also true of "gay" sex. Once a male is subjected to anal sex, he often develops a behavioral dependency. In the past, when homosexuality was criminalized, this was often used to blackmail people in public life and for recruitment of spies during the Cold War.

Sex related activities are not restricted to sexual cravings and sensations in the course of the reproductive act, they have a continuous effect on general behaviour and life of the person. It affects thinking, dreams, attitude to life, manners, view of oneself. A man can start dreaming of being a woman, or imagining himself as one. People can develop cravings to inflict pain on their sexual partners, or to suffer pain being inflicted by their partners on themselves. Some people develop desire to drink other people's urine, or to be urinated or defecated upon. Failure to control sexual urges can lead to mental disorders, drug addiction, and alcoholism. Thus failure to control ones' sexual life, and to correctly fulfill one's role in the reproductive process can be seen as a disease of the soul.

People who fail to control their sex behaviour usually seek to satisfy their unnatural cravings by involving other people. Often their victims are children, or vulnerable young people. It is common for people having control of young people to corrupt them by sodomization. There were many cases of such practices in Britain and the US - in boarding schools, orphanages, and penal institutions. The present scandals involving Catholic priests in the US and Britain are examples of this.

As the number of homosexuals in Europe and America grew, politicians saw them as a new "constituency" - this became known as "chasing the gay vote". Some politicians themselves are "gay". Homosexuality became a kind of "political" movement. There even is a "gay culture", "gay press", etc. Thus, homosexuality came to be seen as an alternative, fashionable, and often preferred lifestyle.

This is clearly not a "mental illness or personality disorder" as it was thought of in the earlier part of the 20th century. Homosexuality is a form of social behaviour, which is caused by failure of governments to educate the people on the correct use of their reproductive process.

Leaving aside the issue of AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases, homosexuality corrupts human nature. Like drug addicts, smokers, and alcoholics, homosexuals think that they are enjoying themselves. And, like drug addicts, smokers, and alcoholics, homosexuals pay for this enjoyment by corrupting their body and soul. The life style of some pop stars dominated by homosexuality, drugs and alcohol is an example of this phenomenon. But the Social Establishment presents such pop stars as role models for young people. A man who has been sodomized will have difficulties in living a normal married life, will become dependent on male "partners", and will waste his life in his unnatural pursuits. This unnatural life style will deprive him from normal psychological development and will prevent him from the enjoyment of normal life.

This is why homosexuality was condemned as sin by Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. The prophets understood the need to educate the people in the correct use of the gift of human reproduction. The Qur'an contains many passages explaining the human reproductive process.

By failing to educate the people about the correct use of sex, personal hygiene and family building, governments fail in their duty before the people. This leads to moral decay of the society.

The passages of the Qur'an on the correct use of sex, personal hygiene and family building can provide today's parents and educators with guidance on the correct upbringing of the future generations.

But what about the present day homosexuals? Can they find their way to normal life?

Their position is similar to that of people suffering from other forms of addictive behaviour drugs, alcohol and tobacco. A person suffering from addictive behaviour needs to perform the following steps

To understand that his behaviour is bad. While most addicts know at the back of their minds that their behaviour is not good, they find ways of excusing or glamorizing their behaviour. The Qur'an describes this phenomenon by a vivid phrase "The Devil has made their actions seem beautiful to them".

In case of the addictive behaviour involving association with other addicts, break out of this association, or from its influence. Victims of addictions often seek company of people with similar addictions. Addicts also seek to seduce others to their addiction or to encourage them to continue being its victim. One needs to learn to say "No" to such people and to avoid their company.

To learn to overcome the urge. Whenever one feels the urge to smoke, drink, take drugs, or a sexual urge outside of the framework of heterosexual marriage, one needs to think of the harmfulness of that urge and of the harmful consequences that yielding to it would produce. Having convinced oneself of the harmfulness of yielding to the urge, one should turn to some useful and healthy activity. Life is a precious gift. One should not waste it on polluting one's lungs with nicotine, debilitating one's mind with drugs or alcohol, or abusing one's reproductive process by perverse unnatural practices.

Such struggle against harmful urges (the jihad of the soul) can be difficult and can continue throughout one's life. But winning this struggle brings great rewards - a healthy, satisfying and productive life.

unknownuser

peace ahmedbhaghat. Do you think your last comment to peaceful muslim was in line with quranic morality? You made an accusation to a woman. Do you have 4 witnesses? If not(according to you) thats 80 lashes.
Respect to peaceful-muslim for your restraint and controlling your emotions.
Moderators note.
Increase the peace.

unknownuser

don't twist my words, it was a sacrcastic comment, and most importantly was not directed to you but to elena

so I don't get it other than your comment was rude ruthless and impolite and surely I'd rather that you don't direct any comment to me neither comment on my comments to others

savage_carrot

Peace PM,

Some of ur replies are quite shocking and quite impolite.
I believe its u who said this, to which my response was based.

This thread has degenerated into a strange and weird place with occasional jaunts into vulgarity and immaturity. I would suggest you refrain from posting to this poster. Personally, I feel disgusted. I hope the mods take notice. This is ridiculous.

unknownuser

peace ahmedbhaghat. Do you think your last comment to peaceful muslim was in line with quranic morality?

yes it was

an eye for an eye

You made an accusation to a woman. Do you have 4 witnesses? If not(according to you) thats 80 lashes.

what accusation mister smart who knows nothing about the Quran neither following it?, you are making me laugh mister smart lol

look, she is not my wife, neither she will ever be, neither I accused her of committing adultery, i don't even know her name mister smart, lol what a laugh, now I guess you are in your tweinties?

now she accused me of future homosexuality, I accused here of past homosexaulity, you know I found a lot amercians and europeans like to experiment, lol , this is called an eye for an eye mister smart

respect is directed at the ones who respect mister smart

burhan

lol, Ab your last two spam attacks really make me question your sanity.

Let me summarise your posts.

I have no scientific data, nor have I done any research on sexual identity, but I'm right in my claims because I can put my text in bold
and use proper english. Failing that I will use really large bold blue fonts to scare you.

If that fails I will just keep hammering you taunts of Allah and Hell. However I'm nice guy because I can use words like peace, and quotes from the Quran

bro, you haven't left your sunni mindest yet have you?

JHamza

Salaam All!
Ive stated my understanding of the Quran on this issue..and this is my last reply concerning it ..
I dont believe its something people are born with,thats like saying God created people to be gay then condemns them for being that way and God is not a sadist...as for hemerphadites(sp?),I cant explain this,but its probably just a medical deformaty,just like some people are born with a extra toe or finger..being born hemerphadite doesnt make them gay,We do have doctors,and now we have the technology to repair the defects by Gods blessings.And God has never condemned people just because they wer born with defects..but he does say that sexual relations between men are an abomination...so why keep using excuses to make it acceptable??(Dont need to answer,like I said this is my last reply on this subject)

Pologymy on the other hand has been discussed on this site already and I believe the FM/PM view is correct,that we can only marry more than one woman,if that woman is a widow and has children and under our care by an oath...and that it want cause hardship...

Peace

unknownuser

lol, Ab your last two spam attacks really make me question your sanity.

you question my sanity, and I question your sexuality lol

Let me summarise your posts.

no, no you don't need to, because i will ignore it, wink

I have no scientific data, nor have I done any research on sexual identity, but I'm right in my claims because I can put my text in bold
and use proper english. Failing that I will use really large bold blue fonts to scare you.

If that fails I will just keep hammering you taunts of Allah and Hell. However I'm nice guy because I can use words like peace, and quotes from the Quran

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ignored

bro, you haven't left your sunni mindest yet have you?

Bro, it is non of your business really

unknownuser

peace ahmedbhaghat. Now you have made another accusation to burhan-21.
You seem to be quoting quran for your own benefit,or is it god telling you?

Peace all. Now do you see my problem with people saying ;'god says this or god says that'?(its all personal opinions).
Problem with literal 'eye' for 'eye' is that we could all end up blind.

Ahmedbhaghat;do you think you are a good advert for islam and quranic morality? What about verses in quran about; 'saying only the best things'?
And decent speech?
I really sincerely hope you think about what you are saying and respect other people.
I wish you Peace ab.

unknownuser

peace ahmedbhaghat.

hello

Now you have made another accusation to burhan-21.

well, he is questioning my sanity (first) and I'm questioning his sexuality (second) , what is wrong with that?

you have to also consider that being crazy is an insult from both perspectives "mine and his" but being a homo is only an insult from my perspective, as being a homo from his perspective is normal and fine

see, he insulted me indirectly and I did't "from his perspective"

don't you consider his question an accusation mister biased?, opps that is a third accusation now wink , how about you sue me for defamation? lol

You seem to be quoting quran for your own benefit,or is it god telling you?

lol , what benefit exactly? and for the second part, no God didn't tell me anything directly but I read His words in the Quran a lot

Ahmedbhaghat;do you think you are a good advert for islam and quranic morality?

I don't consider myself representing islam, I only represent myself but I will leave the whole matter to God, as I don't care what you think really or others including the family members because as a general rule the people who will say the truth will always be opposed that is happeneing since Adam if you know history well, and I didn't make this truth up, it is the truth as written in the clear Quran.

What about verses in quran about; 'saying only the best things'?
And decent speech?

bring the verses and walk me through it please then I will refute it with other verses

I really sincerely hope you think about what you are saying and respect other people.
Peace.

and I sincerely hope that you listen to the true message of God in the Quran

regarding respect, i only respect the ones who respect me, I don't charity respect

salam

unknownuser

enq.

I edited my last comment and added a question to you, please read it again

thanks

unknownuser

Peace ahmedbhaghat. 1753. Please publish and explain this verse for me. Thank you.

unknownuser

Peace ahmedbhaghat. 1753. Please publish and explain this verse for me. Thank you.

salam

not now as it is 223 am and I have to go to bed, I may look at it tomorrow

I added an argument to you, in my second last comment at the first paragraph, i hope you respond to it

salam

unknownuser

enq

no need to wait till tomorrow, yeh i know the verse, but it seems you ignored the following crystal clear facts

she is opposing the clear law of Allah in His quran and promoting it and in the way she manipulated the clear verses to suit her needs by saying the warning was to the hetros who were born hetros and not to the homos who were born homos, what non sense is that?, my duty as stated in the Quran to fight her, exactly as Prophet Lut did, he is an example to us and I will always take him as an example for guidance
she was the one who delibertly intimidated me by directing a silly comment to a comment that was not for her, therefor and logically speaking she is the first who pepetrated
She assumed that I'm a future homo (first), and I assumed that she is a past homo (second)

see, the verse you posted does not apply here, point 1 above is enough if i decided to act on the highest islamic level and forgive her regarding 2 and 3, but I decided not to, that is because point 1 above was inclusive and that is more important to me and has higher priority than 2 and 3

good night

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

I thought I already posted this but i cant seem to find it

Brother, please correct your speech.

I have been shown a post you made on this thread where you are becoming disrespectful.

As I was going through the posts to find it and show it here, I came across onother post by you that I will use as evidence below

Ahmed
what a stupid comment by you that is, no I won't try this disgutsing and filthy sexual act, but for someone like you who is a homo activist it seems to me that you already tried it

Allah will never save the filthy homos, that is His law darling

Brother, this is in no way acceptable. As you know, I do not agree with homosexuality, but this gives us no right to speak in such disrespectful manner to others and to accuse them of that which you have not witnessed. I will submit this to Layth and the other moderators to make a decision. How many times will you have to be warned to control your emotional responses?

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

I thought I already posted this but i cant seem to find it

Brother, please correct your speech.

I have been shown a post you made on this thread where you are becoming disrespectful.

As I was going through the posts to find it and show it here, I came across onother post by you that I will use as evidence below

Ahmed
what a stupid comment by you that is, no I won't try this disgutsing and filthy sexual act, but for someone like you who is a homo activist it seems to me that you already tried it

Allah will never save the filthy homos, that is His law darling

Brother, this is in no way acceptable. As you know, I do not agree with homosexuality, but this gives us no right to speak in such disrespectful manner to others and to accuse them of that which you have not witnessed. I will submit this to Layth and the other moderators to make a decision. How many times will you have to be warned to control your emotional responses?

thanks bro

but she also said a silly comment to me that I could not accept it, it is her duty to herself to refrain herself from commenting to me especially when my comments are directed to others

this is not about homsexuality here, she used to respect me but lately she does not which is fine and her freewill, but i don't have to take her rubbish either bro

please be fair

I think the best that both of us ignore each other and I will do that from this moment

regarding the word filthy, well, the Quran roughly described them as such as well the Quran used the word criminals to describe them

thanks and good night

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

What was he comment that was made to you?

KGB

Look like another person is going to get banned because he is defending the Qur'an message. He is saying what is right not what is popular in the Western societies. So sad Ahmad Baghat I will miss you.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

KGB, what part of the "quranic message" says to speak disrespectful to people? If you can show me where there is ANY EXAMPLE of a prophet or messenger speaking the way Ahmed has done, then there will be no problem.

The good response is not equal to the bad response, remember that verse?

I wait to see what verse you provide.

KGB

Peace Be Upon You Kyle

Looks like u would have tried out everything on earth if it were not for Quran.
God save us!

Ahmad Bahgat replied to this post direct personal attack. There are people who get away with anything they say and than there are people who get banned replying to personal attacks.