Islamic Reform movement is transforming Turkey AND cartoon
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Good article EY, I wish I have read it before posting another thread about the cartoons. I have been reading alot about the WW1 and the Young Turks. What do you think about them? Do we need samesort of people/movement to get rid of the mullas etc etc now?
Dear bmbmm
Yes, indeed, we need a better group than Young Turks. Though he is idolized by a group and demonized by another, Ataturk was a monotheist who prepared Turkey for the message of the Quran alone.
I read a posting by your regarding discrimination in employment. Please send me a private email to [email protected] about your whereabouts. I might help you finding some contacts in your area.
Peace,
Edip -
Also, its a shame you seem to continually promote 19.org within your monotheist work. This is your decision of course, but it has and will continue to lead to a lack of wider support.
i second that .
salam.I second that too.
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The only unforgivable sin, according the Quran is the sin of associating other powers/idols to God.
I would change it to "associating partners/idols with God".
Also, its a shame you seem to continually promote 19.org within your monotheist work. This is your decision of course, but it has and will continue to lead to a lack of wider support.
Wakas
Thanks for the suggestion. As for the wider support, I think we could get a wider support if we follow the teaching of the Sunni sect. The number 19, as the fulfillment of a Quranic prophecy is a test to distinguish those who choose to progress from those who choose to regress. The appreciative monotheists never seek a wider support in exchange with hiding the truth.
Peace,
Edip -
The number 19, as the fulfillment of a Quranic prophecy is a test to distinguish those who choose to progress from those who choose to regress. The appreciative monotheists never seek a wider support in exchange with hiding the truth.
No-one is asking you to hide the truth, simply stick with promotion of 'al quran' ('the reading'), not 'al quran' + other stuff. Simple.
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Edip,
My two cents for what is worth... I think the first thing the turkish quran only muslims should do is to recognise the genocide against the armenians and ask for forgiveness and worked on a compensation. The rest will come automatically.
Regards
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"They were hugging me and taking pictures with me in the lobbies and restaurants of the Grand National Congress. They even asked me to meet their leader, the Prime Minister of Turkey, my former friend and comrade, but I rejected. I said that I only meet him if he asks to meet me, since I do not want him to perceive me one of those flatters dancing around him."
Sir, although I truly respect your beliefs and wish the best for you and your movement, your plainly obvious arrogance, heir of superiority, and fragile ego supported by casual name dropping and alleged experiences of a grand return from exile, although appealing in your mind, wins you no respect in my boat. If I am completely wrong and your experiences are sound and honest, then I apologize, but from my perspective, you could greatly benefit and aid the legitimization your movement by toning down your rhetoric.
DCS
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Interesting. To make you feel confortable should I lie about my past and present relationships and impact in Turkish society? Perhaps, you do not expect a person like me spending his time in these forums. But, if you ask to Turkish people you will find out that I am a muslim.
Forget about exeggeration, I have not told you the whole story. If there is arrogance somewhere, it might be on your side without knowing me a bit, you self-righteously accuse me of being arrogant.
Peace,
Edip -
Mr. Yuksel, I honestly harbor no adverse feelings against you or your organization and have not sufficiently researched nor hold any opinions concerning your 19 movement. Being very young myself, 19 coincidentally, I am sure that in the coming years as I begin to explore the Quran-alone movement that I will greatly cherish the knowledge which you have imparted on many Muslims across the world and learn to have a greater appreciation for your tireless work and determination in what you believe in. Many of your articles have been extremely helpful to me in my quest for the truth and the enthusiasm in which you pursue the truth is truly admirable. Although I enjoy many of your articles and greatly benefit from and appreciate your experience, knowledge, and the many hours of hard work you put into your trade, I do from time to time find myself scratching my head. Most recently, having come across Mr. Harun Yahya's website and after finding much inspiring information, I was a bit taken aback at your public and somewhat unprofessional jabs at his character and findings. Although I have not read into his controversial evolution work, I do find that his work on mainstream Islamic issues to be well worth the read. Regardless of your personal views on Mr. Yahya, I found your editorial denouncing him and making other claims, whether they be true or not, to be in ill taste. In any community, when one resorts to personal attacks on character, no matter how great the difference of opinion, I find to be in poor taste. Again, I apologize for passing judgment and I hope that in the future as I continue along the path for truth that your articles and friendly and well-informed advice will be there to guide me.
As they say in Turkey Ignegi kendine batir cuvaldizi baskasina.
Sincerely yours,
DCS
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Peace,
Edip do you actually believe tayip Erdogan?????
As far as I see, he is a snake. His wife still covers up, this man repesents the conservatives of Turkey.
His kind attemted to torch Ataturk's masoleum.
My word of warning is be very careful with them, they may get you to play into their hands.
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I like what the Young Turks did before the WW1 lol .
You mean screw the nation even more??????
There was only one who saved Turkey, that man was Ataturk.
Yes he was originally part of the Young Turks, but broke free of them.
My two cents for what is worth... I think the first thing the turkish quran only muslims should do is to recognise the genocide against the armenians and ask for forgiveness and worked on a compensation. The rest will come automatically.
I for one do not believe the armenians were innocent victims. A war which they started and then were left to die by the Russians.
Plus why should I apologise/compensate when -
A. I had nothing to do with it
B. Turks themselves received the same amount of rumoured treatment. -
I like what the Young Turks did before the WW1 lol .
You mean screw the nation even more??????
There was only one who saved Turkey, that man was Ataturk.
Yes he was originally part of the Young Turks, but broke free of them.
My two cents for what is worth... I think the first thing the turkish quran only muslims should do is to recognise the genocide against the armenians and ask for forgiveness and worked on a compensation. The rest will come automatically.
I for one do not believe the armenians were innocent victims. A war which they started and then were left to die by the Russians.
Plus why should I apologise/compensate when -
A. I had nothing to do with it
B. Turks themselves received the same amount of rumoured treatment.Thanks,
I did not know Attaturk left the Young Turks. If this is the case than they must be bad. I acknowledge that Attaturk was a good man.
Peace
