Is Alcohol Forbidden?
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peace,
If you take the word Islam as a peaceful way of life and realise its the only way of life for mankind and jinns(hidden) then it will make more sense to you. Also The God is NOT the one who puts us in Hell its ourselves that does this;
I'll try doing that. for now.
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Peace All,
Okay so this is how I understand Khamr/Khamir...
Its a liquid drink made by fermentaion and can be made from grapes/dates(fruit of the vine),what we call Wine..
It can cloud ones mind if its abused,thats why we are told not to enter salat while drunk/intoxicated..we are also told that it has some benefits(as doctors have proven-See Allah knew first),but Shaitan can use it to cloud our judgement and it could affect our jobs,we should stay away from it..
The Khmar of Paradise we will be able to enjoy without the affects of the earthly varity...
1)Its not a sin to drink and has some benefits,or God would say its a sin..
2) Its harmfulness outways its good,so therefore we should avoid it in large quanities...
So its okay to drink at meals etc in small doses.. -
Thank you Myr
what you said is very compelling indeed
peace
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Peace Myr,
Thanks for the help..
So drinking sakaran which isnt khamr is okay and beneficial,but khamr which is intoxicating is forbidden by Allah..http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=76556#76556
peace bro
did myr said that about sakaran? i think I missed that, anyway I never heard that the word sakaran mean alcohol
sakara means to get drunk
peace bro
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Peace,
Doesn't the Most High remind us in the Scripture to not worry too much about what we consume but to be concerned more with good deeds as opposed to bad deeds.
Amin
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Peace Myr,
Thanks for the help..
So drinking sakaran which isnt khamr is okay and beneficial,but khamr which is intoxicating is forbidden by Allah..http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=76556#76556
peace bro
did myr said that about sakaran? i think I missed that, anyway I never heard that the word sakaran mean alcohol
sakara means to get drunk
Peace bro
Peace AhmedBahgat,
No myr didnt mention sakaran, its mentioned in the link I gave,sorry..
How does SAKARAN mean to get drunk when,
1667 hasAnd from the fruit of the date-palm and the vine, ye get out wholesome drink and food behold, in this also is a sign for those who are wise.
The word translated wholesome drink and strong drink in some translations of the above Surah is not from the Arabic Khamri/Khamr,but from the word Sakaran,which can be translated as wholesome or healthy and refer to fruit juices that havent been fermented into intoxicating beverages.
So How can it mean to get drunk,if it means wholesome drink,it doesnt make since..And from the fruit of the date-palm and the vine, ye get DRUNK and food behold, in this also is a sign for those who are wise.
Isnt sukara and sakaran 2 different words?
Sakaran
1667
Wamin thamarati alnnakheeli waal-aAAnabi tattakhithoona minhu sakaran warizqan hasanan inna fee thalika laayatan liqawmin yaAAqiloonaAll the other surahs use Khamr or Khamir which do mean intoxicating drinks and we are to avoid such,but 1667 isnt referring to Khamir/Khamr..
I believe 1667 to be referring to the fruit that we get from the date palm and vines and to the juice(i.e. grape juice,tomato juice,etc) that we get also,not to intoxicating drinks. -
Peace bro
Please be aware that Sakara can also means sugarly like sweet, in fact sugar in arabic means Sukkar
so you do have a point regarding 1667 that it is refering to the juice, thanks for that bro
but also Sakara means "dizzy", "lost mind" "drunk" and all these sort of mental status and is commonly used in arabic too, in fact there is a verse in the Quran that described the tough moment of death as Sakarat Al Mout, which means the mental status during death is going to be like a dream I guess, but sure it is very true
I will try to look for all the verses that Sakara apeared as we may have another clue
peace bro
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Peace bro
Please be aware that Sakara can also means sugarly like sweet, in fact sugar in arabic means Sukkar
so you do have a point regarding 1667 that it is refering to the juice, thanks for that bro
but also Sakara means "dizzy", "lost mind" "drunk" and all these sort of mental status and is commonly used in arabic too, in fact there is a verse in the Quran that described the tough moment of death as Sakarat Al Mout, which means the mental status during death is going to be like a dream I guess, but sure it is very true
I will try to look for all the verses that Sakara apeared as we may have another clue
peace bro
Peace be upon you also bro,
Thanks for the reply and extra knowledge.. and Ill be waiting for your further imput..!