sex with the captives?
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peace all,
views of mufti ebrahim desai from south africa.
questionWhat does Islam say about keeping concubines(which your right hand possesses)? Is it permissible still? If not, then why? And if yes, how do we justify it in todays world?
It seems that Quran has allowed it and I could not find any hadith prohibiting it. Then why do majority of Muslims around the world believe that it is not allowed to have concubines? surely there must have been a ruling on it by scholars. what are those rulings? Pls. advise.Answer
In Islam, Christianity and Judaism according to their original scriptures,
captives of war may be enslaved. Besides, this, no other person can be taken as a slave.Allah is our creator and ultimate Master. We, as his creations and slaves are obliged to express our servitude to Him Alone. If one does not submit his slavery to Allah, which of course is far more heinous and unjust to Allah in comparison to the 'injustices' of slavery and sexual relationship, etc. by a human master.
Since the human being did not willingly submit to the ultimate Master, Allah, He condemns them to the unwilling slavery of his sincere slaves. And by understanding the powers of a man master, they may understand the Powers of the True Master, Allah. In fact, the concept of slavery should be regarded as a concept of mercy, as the heinous crime of rejecting Allah as our Master demands immediate terminating of life. Allah, our kind Master, has granted an opportunity to his very negators to enjoy a second chance of life and redirect it to the right avenue by submitting to Him as the ultimate Master.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
MUFTI EBRAHIM DESAI
ISLAMIC Q&A ONLINE
DARUL IFTA,
MADRASAH IN`AAMIYYAH,
CAMPERDOWN, SOUTH AFRICA.
WWW.ISLAM.TC/ASK-IMAMpeace.
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peace all,
fatwa by the Imam of Calgary Mosque canada.
Details of Fatwa
Title of Fatwa---------- Can a Muslim Have a Concubine?
Date of Reply----------04/Sep/2002
Topic Of Fatwa---------Misconceptions
Country Applied------- AlgeriaQuestion of Fatwa----- I have a question regarding concubines. What is a concubine? Can a Muslim man have a concubine?
Content of Reply
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger. Dear brother in Islam, we would like to thank you for showing keenness on learning the teachings of Islam, and we appreciate the great confidence you have in us. We hope our efforts meet your expectations, yet we apologize for the late reply. With regard to your question, Sheikh Muhammad Iqbal Nadvi, Imam of Calgary Mosque, Canada, and Former Professor at King Saud Univ., Saudi Arabia, answersThis question is only of academic value now. It is most likely that people know about this issue theoretically, because some of the critics of Islam raise this question to attack Islam and its principles.
The situation of having concubines is related to several things First, if the Islamic state exists. Second, if the Islamic state makes offers for other territories to join Islam or enter into treaties with them. Third, if those territories refuse all kinds of peace and amicable offers, or if they announce war. Fourth, during the time of war, both sides capture prisoners that are exchanged mutually, then there's no concubines. Fifth, if the prisoners have no possibility of being exchanged and they are kept under the conquered army, then the following things happen Either they are killed, as what happened in Siberia, or they are put in prison where they are humiliated to death or the females are used as concubines.
Here it?s to be stressed that Islam has no double standards, and the situation of concubines is not a desirable option in Islam. If it happens, however, Islam solves it in a way akin to Islamic philosophy. That is, Islam deals with the issue on individual basis in the sense that the captives are distributed to Muslim individuals who can take care of them, teach them, and when they feel safe, free them. For this purpose, Islam related the freedom of slaves, with many Kaffarat (expiations) of sins.
Coming to your questions, there are two cases of concubine one is a slave-girl living with a person as a maid only, in which case she will serve him, but he is not allowed to establish any sexual relationship with her. The other case is, if he decides to keep her as a partner, then he can establish a relationship with her, and then she will be freed as soon as she delivers any baby for him. Also, he will be the only person who has a relationship with her. This solution prevents any kind of prostitution, and at the same time, it finally leads towards the freedom of these concubines.
Currently, the conditions mentioned above do not exist, so no one can have concubines nowadays. That is why I consider the issue of concubines to be only of academic value, meaning that you only know it theoretically, because some of the critics of Islam raise this question to attack Islam.
peace.
Salaam Alaikum, peace ..
In the Glorious Qur'aan the word 'concubine' is used once but it does not refer to slaves and it is mentioned that "concubines" are not allowed. Apparently the word "concubine" in the Qur'aan refers to what is today known as mistress. I do not recall this Surah but will try to find it and then post it here, InshAllah. -
Salaam Alaikum SIS ZAINAB,
you wrote
In the Glorious Qur'aan the word 'concubine' is used once but it does not refer to slaves and it is mentioned that "concubines" are not allowed. Apparently the word "concubine" in the Qur'aan refers to what is today known as mistress. I do not recall this Surah but will try to find it and then post it here, InshAllah.
i would love to see that verse
peace.
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Salaam Alaikum SIS ZAINAB,
you wrote
In the Glorious Qur'aan the word 'concubine' is used once but it does not refer to slaves and it is mentioned that "concubines" are not allowed. Apparently the word "concubine" in the Qur'aan refers to what is today known as mistress. I do not recall this Surah but will try to find it and then post it here, InshAllah.
i would love to see that verse )
peace.
Wa Salaam .. sure, but please give me some time. My notes and markings on important verses of the Qur'aan are all mixed up in my file at the moment. But InshAllah, as soon as locate it, I'll post it right here.
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Spicy Avatar zainab,
Accurs twice though.
Akhidanun = Secret paramours /equals /lovers. 425, 5.5.
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Salaam Alaikum SIS ZAINAB,
you wrote
In the Glorious Qur'aan the word 'concubine' is used once but it does not refer to slaves and it is mentioned that "concubines" are not allowed. Apparently the word "concubine" in the Qur'aan refers to what is today known as mistress. I do not recall this Surah but will try to find it and then post it here, InshAllah.
i would love to see that verse )
peace.
Salaam Alaikum ..
Here is that verse from the Glorious Qur'aan I was referring to"This day are (all) good things made lawful for you. The food of those who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honor, not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter." (55) 'Al-Maidah'
Translated by Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall
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peace to you,
you have changed your avatar
i said "Spicy Avatar zainab"
sorry but didn't mean anything bad by it , but was that your picture?even if it wasn't it was better!
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Khalifa
Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the people of the scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. Also, you may marry the chaste women among the believers, as well as the chaste women among the followers of previous scripture, provided you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain chastity, not committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. Anyone who rejects faith, all his work will be in vain, and in the Hereafter he will be with the losers.Yusuf Ali
This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).Pickthal
This day are (all) good things made lawful for you. The food of those who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honour, not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter.Shakir
This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.Sher Ali
This day all good things have been made lawful for you. And the food of the people of the Book is lawful for you. And your food is lawful for them. And lawful for you are chaste believing women and chaste women from among those who were given the Book before you, when you give them their dowries, contracting valid marriage and not committing fornication, nor taking secret paramours. And whoever rejects the faith, his work indeed is vain, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.Progressive Muslims
Today, the good things have been made lawful to you, and the food of those who have been given the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them; and the independent from the believing women, and the independent from the people of the Scripture before you, if you have given them their dowries, protected, chaste, and not seeking to take lovers. And whoever rejects belief, then his work has fallen, and in the Hereafter he is of the losers.Transliteration
Alyawma ohilla lakumu alttayyibatu wataAAamu allatheena ootoo alkitaba hillun lakum wataAAamukum hillun lahum waalmuhsanatu mina almu/minati waalmuhsanatu mina allatheena ootoo alkitaba min qablikum itha ataytumoohunna ojoorahunna muhsineena ghayra musafiheena wala muttakhithee akhdanin waman yakfur bial-eemani faqad habita AAamaluhu wahuwa fee al-akhirati mina alkhasireena -
peace to you,
you have changed your avatar
i said "Spicy Avatar zainab"
sorry but didn't mean anything bad by it , but was that your picture?even if it wasn't it was better!
LOL .. I know you didn't brother. And thanks for the compliment. But apparently some others had a problem for I got a couple of discreetly nasty comments. Just check that thread ...
And since I'm an animal lover too, so I exchanged my veil with the sweet puppy lol
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peace all,
name--------------------------------------------------------year of translation
- MAULANA MUHAMMAD ALI------------------------------------1917
- MARMADUKE WILLIAM MUHAMMAD PICKTHALL-------------1930
- ABDULLAH YUSUF ALI------------------------------------------1934
- MOULVI SHER ALI----------------------------------------------1955
- MAHOMEDALI HABIB(MH SHAKIR, PEN NAME)--------------1959
- TAQI-UD-DIN AL-HILALI and MUHAMMAD MUHSIN KHAN--1977
- MUHAMMAD SARWAR------------------------------------------1981
- RASHAD KHALIFA----------------------------------------------1985
-Ahmed reza beralvi---------------------------------------------?
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Khan------And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
Maulana--And who restrain their sexual passions --
Pickthal---And who guard their modesty -
Rashad---And they maintain their chastity.
Sarwar----and restrain their carnal desires
Shakir-----And who guard their private parts,
Sherali----And who guard their chastity -
Yusufali---Who abstain from sex,
Omarahmed-----Who abstain from sex
Ahmedreza- And those who guard their private parts.023006
Khan
EXCEPT FROM THEIR WIVES OR (THE CAPTIVES AND SLAVES) THAT THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for then, they are free from blame;Maulana
EXCEPT IN THE PRESENCE OF THEIR MATES OR THOSE WHOM THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for such surely are not blameable,Pickthal
SAVE FROM THEIR WIVES OR THE (SLAVES) THAT THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for then they are not blameworthy,Rashad
ONLY WITH THEIR SPOUSES, OR THOSE WHO ARE RIGHTFULLY THEIRS, do they have sexual relations; they are not to be blamed.Sarwar
EXCEPT WITH THEIR SPOUSES AND SLAVE-GIRLS. The practice of carnal relations is lawful with them.Shakir
EXCEPT BEFORE THEIR MATES OR THOSE WHOM THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for they surely are not blameable,Sherali
EXCEPT FROM THEIR WIVES OR WHAT THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for then they are not to be blamed;Yusufali
EXCEPT WITH THOSE JOINED TO THEM IN THE MARRIAGE BOND, OR (THE CAPTIVES) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,omarahmed
6. EXCEPT WITH THOSE JOINED TO THEM IN THE MARRIAGE BOND OR (THE CAPTIVES) whom their right hands possess for (in their case) they are free from blameAhmedreza
BUT FROM THEIR WIVES OR LAWFUL HANDMAIDS who are the property of their hand for (in their case) they are not to be blamed.peace.
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Peace agent,
But these words do not appear in the arabic - or show them how?
so it should have been something
Now this fits very well as follows , look to the context of the whole
The believers must (eventually) win through
Those who humble themselves in their prayers
Who avoid vain talk;
Who are active in deeds of charity;
Who abstain from sex
Except with their partners or (rather) whom they posses by hands/oaths,- for then they are free from blame.And no slaves for sex as that isn't allowed any where in the holy scripture.
The pagans made it up for enjoyment - cunning wasn't it?
Peace and understanding be with you too.
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Salaam Alaikum agent and all ..
Don't confuse yourselves with a pile of translations, just follow Pickthall. His works have been recognized as the best and most literal.
JazekAllah khair ..P.S. brother agent .. I think there's a typing error in your signature.
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"just follow Pickthall"
arn't we allowed to weigh and consider and follow the best thereof.
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arn't we allowed to weigh and consider and follow the best thereof.
Absolutely .. and Pickthall is most commonly recognized as the best.
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If Quran allowed sex with slaves than its also allowing slavery.....this doesnt sound right to me. A nice excuse to have so many sexual partners...........I dont understand why muslims accuse ppl if they have gf/bf or sex before marriage between couples.
Why dont we just get straight..!!! sex is ok between two person who are willing to share their body with each other thru understanding. Forget abt all these institutional marriage. where is the harm here?
here is the harm
(i quote from RationalReality.com)
PREMARITAL SEX AND THE DYING NUCLEAR FAMILY
This paper examines the relationship between society's greater acceptance attitudes towards premarital sex since the 1960s, the breakdown of the traditional U.S nuclear family, and the rise in female-headed single parent households.
It presents this increase in permissiveness towards premarital sex and the accompanying practice changes as causal links to the increase in the divorce rate and the feminization of poverty
The research is also extended to include status of women and children, juvenile delinquency, and shallower relationships at all levels in society.
The research model follows a logico-empirical path analysis, similar to the what the "path" that the Koran suggests while discussing non-marital sex (Koran 179).
CLICK HERE
SELF-DESTRUCT PREMARITAL SEX AND OUR DYING SOCIETY
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and Pickthall is most commonly recognized as the best.
Commonly recognized as the best by whom?
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peace simple,
you wrote
But these words do not appear in the arabic - or show them how?
so it should have been something
you can translate it in what ever way you want/can, or or whom they posses by hands/oaths but the message is very clear I.e. that they were allowed to have sex with someone other then their wives.
SAVE FROM THEIR WIVES OR ??? so the question is who were these others? will you please explain your understanding of this verse?peace.