sex with the captives?

unknownuser

Spicy Avatar zainab,

Accurs twice though.

Akhidanun = Secret paramours /equals /lovers. 425, 5.5.

unknownuser

Salaam Alaikum SIS ZAINAB,

you wrote

In the Glorious Qur'aan the word 'concubine' is used once but it does not refer to slaves and it is mentioned that "concubines" are not allowed. Apparently the word "concubine" in the Qur'aan refers to what is today known as mistress. I do not recall this Surah but will try to find it and then post it here, InshAllah.

i would love to see that verse )

peace.

Salaam Alaikum ..
Here is that verse from the Glorious Qur'aan I was referring to

"This day are (all) good things made lawful for you. The food of those who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honor, not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter." (55) 'Al-Maidah'

Translated by Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall

unknownuser

peace to you,

you have changed your avatar

i said "Spicy Avatar zainab"

sorry but didn't mean anything bad by it , but was that your picture?even if it wasn't it was better!

JHamza

Khalifa
Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the people of the scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. Also, you may marry the chaste women among the believers, as well as the chaste women among the followers of previous scripture, provided you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain chastity, not committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. Anyone who rejects faith, all his work will be in vain, and in the Hereafter he will be with the losers.

Yusuf Ali
This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).

Pickthal
This day are (all) good things made lawful for you. The food of those who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honour, not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter.

Shakir
This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

Sher Ali
This day all good things have been made lawful for you. And the food of the people of the Book is lawful for you. And your food is lawful for them. And lawful for you are chaste believing women and chaste women from among those who were given the Book before you, when you give them their dowries, contracting valid marriage and not committing fornication, nor taking secret paramours. And whoever rejects the faith, his work indeed is vain, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.

Progressive Muslims
Today, the good things have been made lawful to you, and the food of those who have been given the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them; and the independent from the believing women, and the independent from the people of the Scripture before you, if you have given them their dowries, protected, chaste, and not seeking to take lovers. And whoever rejects belief, then his work has fallen, and in the Hereafter he is of the losers.

Transliteration
Alyawma ohilla lakumu alttayyibatu wataAAamu allatheena ootoo alkitaba hillun lakum wataAAamukum hillun lahum waalmuhsanatu mina almu/minati waalmuhsanatu mina allatheena ootoo alkitaba min qablikum itha ataytumoohunna ojoorahunna muhsineena ghayra musafiheena wala muttakhithee akhdanin waman yakfur bial-eemani faqad habita AAamaluhu wahuwa fee al-akhirati mina alkhasireena

unknownuser

peace to you,

you have changed your avatar

i said "Spicy Avatar zainab"

sorry but didn't mean anything bad by it , but was that your picture?even if it wasn't it was better!

LOL .. I know you didn't brother. And thanks for the compliment. But apparently some others had a problem for I got a couple of discreetly nasty comments. Just check that thread ...

And since I'm an animal lover too, so I exchanged my veil with the sweet puppy lol

agentxxx

peace all,

name--------------------------------------------------------year of translation

MAULANA MUHAMMAD ALI------------------------------------1917
MARMADUKE WILLIAM MUHAMMAD PICKTHALL-------------1930
ABDULLAH YUSUF ALI------------------------------------------1934
MOULVI SHER ALI----------------------------------------------1955
MAHOMEDALI HABIB(MH SHAKIR, PEN NAME)--------------1959
TAQI-UD-DIN AL-HILALI and MUHAMMAD MUHSIN KHAN--1977
MUHAMMAD SARWAR------------------------------------------1981
RASHAD KHALIFA----------------------------------------------1985
-Ahmed reza beralvi---------------------------------------------?

023005
Khan------And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
Maulana--And who restrain their sexual passions --
Pickthal---And who guard their modesty -
Rashad---And they maintain their chastity.
Sarwar----and restrain their carnal desires
Shakir-----And who guard their private parts,
Sherali----And who guard their chastity -
Yusufali---Who abstain from sex,
Omarahmed-----Who abstain from sex
Ahmedreza- And those who guard their private parts.

023006
Khan
EXCEPT FROM THEIR WIVES OR (THE CAPTIVES AND SLAVES) THAT THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for then, they are free from blame;

Maulana
EXCEPT IN THE PRESENCE OF THEIR MATES OR THOSE WHOM THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for such surely are not blameable,

Pickthal
SAVE FROM THEIR WIVES OR THE (SLAVES) THAT THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for then they are not blameworthy,

Rashad
ONLY WITH THEIR SPOUSES, OR THOSE WHO ARE RIGHTFULLY THEIRS, do they have sexual relations; they are not to be blamed.

Sarwar
EXCEPT WITH THEIR SPOUSES AND SLAVE-GIRLS. The practice of carnal relations is lawful with them.

Shakir
EXCEPT BEFORE THEIR MATES OR THOSE WHOM THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for they surely are not blameable,

Sherali
EXCEPT FROM THEIR WIVES OR WHAT THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for then they are not to be blamed;

Yusufali
EXCEPT WITH THOSE JOINED TO THEM IN THE MARRIAGE BOND, OR (THE CAPTIVES) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

omarahmed
6. EXCEPT WITH THOSE JOINED TO THEM IN THE MARRIAGE BOND OR (THE CAPTIVES) whom their right hands possess for (in their case) they are free from blame

Ahmedreza
BUT FROM THEIR WIVES OR LAWFUL HANDMAIDS who are the property of their hand for (in their case) they are not to be blamed.

peace.

agentxxx

peace all,
for those who understand urdu

translationfateh muhammed 235/6

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agentxxx

peace all,

translationmaulana shah ahmed reza khan-235/6

peace.

unknownuser

Peace agent,

But these words do not appear in the arabic - or show them how?

so it should have been something

Now this fits very well as follows , look to the context of the whole

The believers must (eventually) win through
Those who humble themselves in their prayers
Who avoid vain talk;
Who are active in deeds of charity;
Who abstain from sex
Except with their partners or (rather) whom they posses by hands/oaths,- for then they are free from blame.

And no slaves for sex as that isn't allowed any where in the holy scripture.

The pagans made it up for enjoyment - cunning wasn't it?

Peace and understanding be with you too.

unknownuser

Salaam Alaikum agent and all ..
Don't confuse yourselves with a pile of translations, just follow Pickthall. His works have been recognized as the best and most literal.
JazekAllah khair ..

P.S. brother agent .. I think there's a typing error in your signature.

unknownuser

"just follow Pickthall"

arn't we allowed to weigh and consider and follow the best thereof.

unknownuser

arn't we allowed to weigh and consider and follow the best thereof.

Absolutely .. and Pickthall is most commonly recognized as the best.

Fahad1

If Quran allowed sex with slaves than its also allowing slavery.....this doesnt sound right to me. A nice excuse to have so many sexual partners...........I dont understand why muslims accuse ppl if they have gf/bf or sex before marriage between couples.

Why dont we just get straight..!!! sex is ok between two person who are willing to share their body with each other thru understanding. Forget abt all these institutional marriage. where is the harm here?

here is the harm

(i quote from RationalReality.com)

PREMARITAL SEX AND THE DYING NUCLEAR FAMILY

This paper examines the relationship between society's greater acceptance attitudes towards premarital sex since the 1960s, the breakdown of the traditional U.S nuclear family, and the rise in female-headed single parent households.

It presents this increase in permissiveness towards premarital sex and the accompanying practice changes as causal links to the increase in the divorce rate and the feminization of poverty

The research is also extended to include status of women and children, juvenile delinquency, and shallower relationships at all levels in society.

The research model follows a logico-empirical path analysis, similar to the what the "path" that the Koran suggests while discussing non-marital sex (Koran 179).

CLICK HERE
SELF-DESTRUCT PREMARITAL SEX AND OUR DYING SOCIETY

savage_carrot

and Pickthall is most commonly recognized as the best.

Commonly recognized as the best by whom?

agentxxx

peace simple,

you wrote

But these words do not appear in the arabic - or show them how?

so it should have been something

you can translate it in what ever way you want/can, or or whom they posses by hands/oaths but the message is very clear I.e. that they were allowed to have sex with someone other then their wives.
SAVE FROM THEIR WIVES OR ??? so the question is who were these others? will you please explain your understanding of this verse?

peace.

agentxxx

peace zainab,

you wrote

P.S. brother agent .. I think there's a typing error in your signature.

please sis tell me precisely as i couldn?t find it.

God bless you.

unknownuser

Hi Agent,zainab,

023.006
Except with their mates or what possessed (through) oath - for they are free from blame,

231-7,
the believers will win through, -
Those who humble themselves in their prayers;
who avoid vain talk;
who are active in deeds of charity;

Who abstain from sex,
except with their mates who they are married to - for they are free from blame,
But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors.

Examples

They went to their motherland or where they were born.
2.
Out of their possessions or all they possessed was a share for the begger.
3.
In their passport or their traveling document is their photograph.

e.t.c

How else it could be made simpler ? I haven?t the fuggiest.

God Bless.

And was it King/kind avatar thingy zainab was pointed?

agentxxx

peace simple,

you wrote

Who abstain from sex,
except with their mates who they are married to - for they are free from blame,
But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors.

will you please underline the arabic words in the above verse which can be translated into "WHO THEY ARE MARRIED TO".