WHO HERE ARE THE ALLAH/QUR-AN ONLY PEOPLE...?
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peace nabi and all. Nabi;I put a questionmark at the end of my point,so it was not a conclusion. I also stated 'quran only' is not necessarily the same as 'god only',this is not excluding all 'quran only' from being 'god only'.Please read what i wrote. I have no doubt that God speaks outside the quran as well.(the implication by some is that the quran is the only reliable wahy or revelation.) And i will ask,can you be 'god alone' without being quran alone?(or do we have 'quran only' sectarianism?)
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I put a questionmark at the end of my point,so it was not a conclusion.
It was a concluding remark. People do it all the time. For example x is not y unless <whatever> right?
You're assuming because of a and b that c <God speaks through the Quran and nowhere else> is definitive.
I also stated 'quran only' is not necessarily the same as 'god only',this is not excluding all 'quran only' from being 'god only'
No matter what, it is God only. It is God inspired.
the implication by some is that the quran is the only reliable wahy or revelation
And by others that it is not really a revelation and that God is not one but many.
And i will ask,can you be 'god alone' without being quran alone?
That's a different question buddy.
Quran alone is God alone.
One can believe in God alone without adhering to the quran alone.
Still, adhering to the quran alone puts one in the position of being God alone.
And surely you know the answer to your question so why ask it? Have you not been propogating such a thing throughout the forum? Ex Oh I believe we do not need the quran for this and that and the quran is not necessary. People can find God without scripture, etc.
Joe
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Peace nabi. Ok,is the interpretation of the quran only people god inspired?
If i ask you a question, while having an opinion of my own on that question,what is the problem?If you show me im incorrect or have made a wrong conclusion(which happens,we are all human. )then i will see if you have a clearer insight on this topic. Is this not the purpose of discussion and questions?Why are you making an assumption that you think i already have a unshiftable preconceived notion to my questions? I have a previous opinion but it is not necessarily set in stone. Or can you read my mind/heart? I feel your defensiveness is possibly beacause you feel uncomfortable with some questions. I could be wrong.
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Salaam Enquirer,
I have no doubt that God speaks outside the quran as well.
Neither do I. As a matter of fact, the entire Quran speaks outside of it, which is what is written down and condensed in a book form by men. Much of the Quran itself is a rehash, repetition and reinstatement of what has previously been already known along with added events of its own time.
And i will ask,can you be 'god alone' without being quran alone?
Certainly, I am for one, not related to parochial dogmatic school of thoughts. (or do we have 'quran only' sectarianism)
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Peace danish. I am glad to hear your open-mindedness.
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Salaams all,
yes i do think ,
Quran alone = God alone,
But God alone doesn't equal quran alone.
But the first is the safest bet as everything is compiled into one book to make us God Alone easier - i think.
Salaams.
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Peace simple. I understand your reasoning and it may be fine for you at this time. The common factor however is god,not just the quran.I dont think you can always limit guidance to one book only.God is the all,not the quran.(which is a part.)You can learn from the all.
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Enquirer you are still making assumptions. The reading is not the only guidance in this world, the reading itself has proposed this.
You assume
We (whomever you may be generalizing about) think that the quran is the only guidance.
We think God alone is ONLY quran alone.
I'm telling you that the people who adhere to the principles of the reading are those who take the stance of God alone, as Rabb . To take God alone is Lord/Rabb it is not necessary to know of the reading, but certain of it's principles should be upheld in order to be of such an ilk .
Do not presuppose that I am part of a sect by telling me, or pushing the idea that I may believe or people under the so-called title "Quran Alone; God Alone" may believe that guidance is only to be had in the reading. I've no problem with your question, I've only a problem with what you're ensuing.
Joe
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peace nabi and all. Nabi i am glad you stated your position,now i know your personal position and it seems very reasonable. I was stating 'some' quran only not all,that is not a generalisation. A generalisation (to my mind.)is when i say all or most without evidence. Are you telling me that no quran only people believe the quran is the only way to salvation? If so,i stand corrected.
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Like you, I do not know all people. So I cannot answer your question definitively. I will say that I doubt all people believe in guidance outside reading if they believe the reading is the only guidance. In my opinion these people are not really following the reading in this respect.
Joe
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When you are Qur'an only, you have made the Qur'an into an idol, putting your trust therein. To truly be God only, you must let go your attachment to the Qur'an and let God be your personal guide. Abraham had no book, but he followed the perfect religion, Islam. So you are only truly a God Only Muslim when you no longer need the Qur'an, or any other scripture.
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Peace nabi,i think we understand each other on this topic,finally. )
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To me GOD Alone Means Quran Alone,you cant get to GOD without Quran,since GOD gave it to us,Its Our Guide to Salvation,IF that bothers people they need to stop referring to themselves as Muslims and stop talking about Quran,And Islaam..And stop trying to make people believe that they represent True Submission..And there are no other books out there that leads to salvation,Only the Quran does that and without it your lost...all other books that GOD has sent before the Quran became corrupted and the Quran says so..And not following the Quran is going back into the world and you have become confused and lost.
Theres plenty of paths out there that believe in or accept one god or source whatever you may refer to god as..But If that god is not the GOD of the QURAN then its a false god.They will not get you salvation.
Sorry if Ive offended any one,if I get banned so be it,but I am getting tired of people speaking against GOD and HIS Words the Quran.Trying to make Him and the Quran into some NEW AGE BS.These people would be better on a forum like Mystic Wicks and into NEO Paganism.
PS any True Quran Alone/God Alone Muslims are welcome to come to my forum where you will not find such blasphemies...
Salaams
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Peace jhamza and all. Some christians will say the same about jesus being the only way to the truth. Who should i believe? I believe people(on this forum.) are not generally speaking against god and his words,but against incorrect interpretations of god and his words. Please brother try to be a little more open-minded. peace.
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Peace jhamza and all. Some christians will say the same about jesus being the only way to the truth. Who should i believe? I believe people(on this forum.) are not generally speaking against god and his words,but against incorrect interpretations of god and his words. Please brother try to be a little more open-minded. peace.
Peace enquirer,
I have no problem with being open minded,Thats what brought me here and not still trying to learn Sunnism.But Im not going to deny GOD(the God of Islaam) and His only Revelations(the Quran) in doing it.To me to say that we dont need the Quran is speaking against our GOD,HE SENT IT SO WE NEED IT,to say other words is blasphemy. -
Peace jhamza. I will ask a few questions;is it the words of the quran we should follow or the meaning/morals? If i come to the same meaning/morals without the quran does it matter? And who determines the meanings of the verses?if its god,then by what means? And why so much opinion on salat if the verses are clear?Note also 3;7. Verses that may not be as literal or straightforward as others. Patience and tolerance are needed in this quest for knowledge.
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Salaams Br,all,
where other then the quran do we find all of what we want to be God Alone?
A physics book ,the bible or something else maybe?
But i havn't said you can't be God Alone without the quran it is possible,though its easier with the quran as it is giving us concepts if you understand them to be totally God Alone- i think so.
Salaams and God Bless.
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To truly be God only, you must let go your attachment to the Qur'an and let God be your personal guide. Abraham had no book, but he followed the perfect religion, Islam. So you are only truly a God Only Muslim when you no longer need the Qur'an, or any other scripture.
I disagree with this assumption. True, Abraham had no quran. True it is very possible to believe and follow the God alone without quran. But to go as far as saying you can only be a true follower of God alone when you "no longer need quran", is preposterous. Quran is God's word. The God communicates to us through different means, one being through a messenger/message. To think for one second that we as humans are even a degree 'above' needing this message is the epitomy of arrogance.If we revealed this Quran to a mountain, you would see it trembling, crumbling, out of reverence for God. We cite these examples for the people, that they may reflect.(5943)
The believers are those whom, when God is mentioned, their hearts reverence; and when His revelations are recited to them, it increases their faith; and they put their trust in their Lord. (82)
Peace be with you all.
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To truly be God only, you must let go your attachment to the Qur'an and let God be your personal guide. Abraham had no book, but he followed the perfect religion, Islam. So you are only truly a God Only Muslim when you no longer need the Qur'an, or any other scripture.
I disagree with this assumption. True, Abraham had no quran. True it is very possible to believe and follow the God alone without quran. But to go as far as saying you can only be a true follower of God alone when you "no longer need quran", is preposterous. Quran is God's word. The God communicates to us through different means, one being through a messenger/message. To think for one second that we as humans are even a degree 'above' needing this message is the epitomy of arrogance.If we revealed this Quran to a mountain, you would see it trembling, crumbling, out of reverence for God. We cite these examples for the people, that they may reflect.(5943)
The believers are those whom, when God is mentioned, their hearts reverence; and when His revelations are recited to them, it increases their faith; and they put their trust in their Lord. (82)
Peace be with you all.
Thanks bro for your excellent comment
peace