Some Of You Don't believe in "Allahu Akbar"?
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Peace all. I think ahmedbhaghat has proven very well,that allah hu akbar is a legitimate phrase from the quran.If i say 'allah is bigger than any individual thing'.(in my own language.) Then i dont have to look to the quran for evidence,its pretty obvious that its true.
It can cause harm if some people hastily form a set opinion and then try to belittle,judge or refute others with it...and then later find that their opinion is contrary to the evidence and incorrect....(see quote in previous post above, by poster /jm/.)
Its sad that some people make divisions and arguements on the basis of allah hu akbar,hadith,different interpretations etc,etc....(which are sometimes just different ways of saying or looking at the same principles.)
I think more respect,objectivity and tolerance are needed.
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Peace,
I think ahmedbhaghat has proven very well,that allah hu akbar is a legitimate phrase from the quran.
Abraham speaks about the sun as his Lord, that doesn't imply that akbar is one of the attribute of God. This verse speaks about abraham before he discovers the real God.
Does the God speaks about Himself as hu allahu akbar in the Reading?
as in 112-1-2- Qul huwa Allahu ahad
112?2. Allahu alssamadu
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The response is no.
The attributes which precceed Allah in the Reading are sufficient imho.
- Qul huwa Allahu ahad
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Thank you brother JM
What do you think of that ?
Let me see bro, "I can give my personal opinion for sure"
As I have stated earlier the alternate title for this book can be ?It is NOT stated in the Quran?. As I have stated already there is NOT one thing which the Ahlul Sunnah or Shiah practice that can be traced inside the Quran ? NOT ONE.
I really don't know what this guy is talking about, however i found a flaw already in his comment, Allah clearly told us in the Quran that He will guide us to the Sunnah of the early people. clear and simple
We have already seen that even the famous cry of ?Allahu Akbar? CANNOT be found in the Quran.
well, i showed that literally, it is found in a verse, in fact there is another verse that i found where the two words are next to each other, and for me they still make a complete sentence according to the Arabic grammar
The Sunnis cry ?Allahu Akbar? which according to them means ?God is Great?.
i don't know if i heard them crying, but why the sunni alone?, i guess most sects say Allah Akbar, it seems this guy is biased or somethin? or possibly hates the sunni sect bad?
but again his comment is flawed, because Allah Akbar, does not mean Allah is Great lol, it actually means Allah is GREATER
This is actually a trick and an insult by the enemies of Islam because ?Allahu Akbar? actually means ?God is Old?.
wow, what a trick we have in hand, this trick made most muslims regardless of sects are enemies of islam, lol thanks for the laugh to whoever wrote the above
The Sunnis say ?Akbar? is one of the names of God but the fact is this name ?Akbar? CANNOT be found inside the Quran as God?s name. It is NOT stated in the Quran.
sorry, the above is a lie, as i never heard them saying as such, neither Akbar is a name in the arabic language lol , the wazn Afal is used to compare one thing with another or with more, like My car is Larger than your car, but when we say Allah Akbar and eliminate the other party or parties we are comparing Allah with, it means that whatever party or anything you compare with, Allah will stay Akbar, i.e. regardless what we comparing, size, or an action, this is called balagha in te language, the balagha main purpose is to say the least words with the max meanning and you will find a lot of this balagha in the Quran, the balagha when used acrually overwrites the grammar
What is more interesting is that the Sunnis have invented their famous list of ninety nine ?Beautiful Names of God? which they call the ?Asmaul Husna?. Yet even inside this invented Asmaul Husna there is no occurrence of the name ?Akbar?. The Sunnis forgot to include ?Akbar? inside their Asmaul Husna ! What a lark.
this guy is really confused man, the sunni never included Akbar as a name to Allah, it is a saying action to an the order "Kabberu Allah" that was given to us in the Quran
for the 99 names, i don't believe that they are 99 only "However this is a personal opinion", but sure, the Quran told us that Allah has many Husna Names and we should call Him using these Husna Names and in the same verse Allah gave us a few examples of these names, and told us it is UP TO US to use any of these husna names
http//www.free-minds.org/books/journey.htm
Pure rubbish ?
Peace
absolutely mate, and therefore i can't watse my time reading his rubbish in the above link
peace be with you
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Peace marie. Ahmedbhaghat has explained it more eloquently than me.
I dont really want to nitpick what is an attribute or a verb or a noun etc.. Im sure you will agree(even if its not an attribute.) that god is greater/bigger than any individual thing? Peace. -
Hello all
please note that the order "Kabbar" is identical to the Order "Sabbah" both can only be done by words
any other order regrading following the guidance and be a good guy, was clearly told to us using simple words that kids will understand like
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Ihtaddo, "Follow the guidance"
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Ikhsho, "Fear"
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"Igtanbo", "stay away from"
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"Insito", "Listen"
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Itabio, "Follow"
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"Sallu", "Hold salat"
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"Imalu Hasanat", "Do the good deeds"
etc etc
zillons of examples indeed, but when it comes to Sabbah or Kabbar , for them they also mean all the above, lol
i guess they are confused, that's all it seems
peace
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that god is greater/bigger than any individual thing? Peace.
or all things combined for that matter, that is the balagha of eliminating the compared party, to leave it open for absolutely anything
but it is not an attribute in any way, the attribute is "Kabir", not "Akbar"
peace
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I don't believe it because Allah is not big nor small. Giving a size/ dimention to Allah wrong/ilogical
so when we say Allah has a hand, you consider this wrong/ilogical?
PS Akbar does not only include size, but EVERYTHING
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Im sure you will agree(even if its not an attribute.) that god is greater/bigger than any individual thing?
The Reading is the only criterion, personnally I avoid to assign to the God others attribute than those used by the God in the Reading, it is enough for me.
There is any verses in the Reading where the God speaks about himself as allah akbar.
Only Alkabeer is an attribute of the God in the Reading (139).
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Peace marie. Who explains the reading to us? If its god,then have we ever made a mistake in interpreting the reading? If god explains the reading how come humans make mistakes when reading it? I will refer you back to ahmedbhaghats and my posts to avoid repeating what i have already written. Ps;you stated the reading is the only criterion,what about god?The quran does not equal god. And doesnt the reading tell us to use our mind to think,and that there are signs outside the reading?
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Peace Ahmed,
please note that the order "Kabbar" is identical to the Order "Sabbah" both can only be done by words
You may be interested by this thread about tasbeeh
Thank you mary, I will look into it in my earliest opportunity as i'm just about going to bed, I will try to also compare it with my study regarding this important word
peace and good night
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peace ab,take it easy and thanks for your words. Peace.
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Peace marie and all. May we all be humble,respectful,understanding,open-minded and tolerant in our quest for truths. Take it easy. peace.
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Peace all
it is clear in the arabic language that the two words "Kabir" and "Akbar" are two different words, they share the same root though
Kabir is a noun and can be used on its own to describe something, the Quran used it many times to describe many different things like
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salat 245
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following the prophet 2143
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fighting 2217
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sin 2219
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reward 179
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mistake 1731
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favour 1787
curse 3368
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a deed 5453
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an old man 2823
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etcand Allah 3423 and many more
this is how the word is commonly used in the Quran
the word Akbar was also used many times in the Quran, in most cases if not all it compares two things like 2217, 2219
as we can see that many things shared the same word Kabir with Allah in the Quran, so to say Allah Akbar, i.e He is greater, and by eliminating the compared party it will give an infinite meaning that Allah is greater "Akbar" than any thing that is kabir
while the two words "Allah Akbar" were not specifically used in the Quran as such, they were mentioned next to each other in two locations, and can constitute a complete sentence, and because the history records told us numerous times that the prophet said as such even, in his salat, then why not following it?
very strange indeed, the word is gloryfing Allah by all means, has no shirk neither kufr and sounds like a great and genuine teaching by the prophet, it does not sound like a foriegn injection to his sayings and I chose to follow it, plain and simple
there are many other gloryfying words that were not mentiond in the Quran, would that mean I can't use it to glorify Allah?, of course I can, because it does not make sense if I'm not allowed to use or it is a sin to use it
peace to all
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Peace be upon you,
We should be more concerned with ACTING like The God is Greater/Greatest, rather than "buttering up" some object on the sky.
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Peace idolfree and all. Agreed.We can act by implementing what we learn from god.(the all.) The 'all' is always bigger than any constituent part of it.
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Peace be upon you,
We should be more concerned with ACTING like The God is Greater/Greatest, rather than "buttering up" some object on the sky.
If i didnt absolutely abhor the word amen....i would say...
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LEMME HEAR YA SAY AAAAAAAMEN! D
Peace
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Peace all,
771 He said "An affliction and wrath shall befall you from your Lord. Do you argue with me over names which you and your fathers have created with no authority being sent down by God? Wait then, and I will wait with you."
1241 "What you serve besides Him are nothing but names which you have created you and your fathers, God did not send down any authority for such. The judgment is for none but God.
From these verses it follows that we cannot use a name for The God that He has not sent down any authority for. The God has told us His names in the qur'aan and only those names are the ones authorized by The God. So how can we call Him by a name that He has not authorized for himself ?
Brother Ahmed, would you like to be called Danish ? ) No, because you did not authorize that name for yourself.
The God is INCOMPARABLY GREAT. Using the name Akbar for The God meaning "greater" automatically implies that we are comparing The God to a SIMILAR being, which becomes shirk. The God is INCOMPARABLE. We can say that one object is greater than another when both objects are of the same essence or are similar. For example we can say that the number 10 is greater than the number 5 but we cannot say that an orange is greater than an apple, or the color red is greater than the color blue.
7180 And to God belong THE BEAUTIFUL NAMES, so call Him by THEM; and ignore those who blaspheme in His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.
THEM does not include "AKBAR" but includes "AL-KABEER". By calling The God by a name that He has not authorized for Himself, we are blaspheming in His names.
How do we know THE BEAUTIFUL NAMES of The God ? Through the qur'aan, of course ! Those are the names AUTHORIZED BY THE GOD for Himself by CLEARLY mentioning them in the qur'aan for Himself.
We can KABBAR/magnify The God by saying Allahu Al-Kabeer, as Al-Kabeer is a name authorized by The God.
I will quote a post of brother Hafeez on this topic
Peace all
The most BEAUTIFUL NAMES belong to Allah SO CALL ON HIM BY "THEM"; but LEAVE THOSE who APOSTATISE in His NAMES for what they do they will soon be requited. 7180
No Muslim has yet understood this verse.
Don't get PANICKED Have a look on the following three verses and ponder.
Allah! There is no god but He! To Him BELONG the Most "BEAUTIFUL NAMES". 208
He is Allah the Creator the Evolver the Bestower of Forms (or colors). To Him belong the Most "BEAUTIFUL NAMES" Whatever is in the heavens and on earth doth declare His Praises and Glory and He is the exalted in Might the Wise. 5924
Say "Call upon "ALLAH" or call upon "RAHMAN" by whatever name ye call upon Him (it is well) for to Him belong the Most BEAUTIFUL NAMES. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud nor speak it in a low tone but seek a middle course between." 17110
To Allah BELONG all the BEAUTIFUL NAMES and call Him by "ANY SUCH NAME"
The example of one BEAUTIFUL NAMES is "RAHMAN"
Now Allah says in verse 7180 that call on HIM by THEM.
How would we know which are the BEAUTIFUL NAMES of Allah unless HE has revealed THOSE in the Quran
Prophet FOLLOWED the Quran; therefore he called Allah by HIS NAME and HIS ATTRIBUTES, which are mentioned in the Quran and not his own.
The word 'THEM" indicates that Allah has revealed HIS BEAUTIFUL NAMES in the Quran and commands us to call BY THEM only.
It is no secret that Allah has 99 BEAUTIFUL NAMES and is revealed in His Quran and we are supposed to call on HIM by any of "THEM" "only"
The "THEM" does not include " AKBAR" but "AL - KABIR"
(It will be said) "This is because, when Allah Alone was invoked (in worship, etc.) you disbelieved, but when partners were joined to Him, you believed! So the judgement is only with Allah, the Most High, the (AL- KABIR) Most Great!" 4012
He knoweth the Unseen and that which is open He is (AL- KABIR) the Great the Most High 139.
That is because Allah He is the Reality and those besides Him whom they invoke they are but vain Falsehood verily Allah is He Most High (AL- KABIR) Most Great. 2262
That is because Allah is the (only) Reality and because whatever else they invoke besides Him is Falsehood; and because Allah He is the Most High (AL- KABIR) Most Great. 3130
"No intercession can avail in His Presence except for those for whom He has granted permission. So far (is this the case) that when terror is removed from their hearts (at the Day of Judgement then) will they say
What is it that your Lord commanded?' They will sayThat which is true and just; and He is the Most High (AL- KABIR) Most Great.' " 3423HE is AL KABIR and not AKBAR
There is a great difference between GREATEST and THE GREAT.
The One Who is ALONE. THE One Who has no ALIKE; The One Who has no SECOND to Him, The One Who has no PARALLEL to Him, cannot be AKBAR but only AL - KABIR.
It is a FABRICATION by the MUSLIMS and a hundredth name and not authorised by Allah.
WA- DHARO 'ALLADHENA YULH.IDON FE ASMAA' -HI 7180
And leave those who apostatises (disbelieves) in His Names.
Those who disbelieve in AL KABIR (Quranic Name) and calls Him ALLAH U AKBAR (Unquranic Name) should be left alone. They will be requited for what they used to do.
Thanks
See the following link for a discussion on this topic last year
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3075