Allah is with us but may be not with all.
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Peace simple,
All the verses you quoted have pretty much the same connotations in regard to 'prosperity'. They don't point to where it may be. Thanks, however, for explaining where you believe this success/prosperity lies. )
For me, on the other hand, I believe that this world/life is only temporary, and therefore successes, here, mean little to nothing.
Peace
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Salaams zenje,
I am sure you must have come across research that was done in the states years ago,
That the findings where the most prosperous successful believed that success and prosperity is with effort and things, whilst the not so successful well-offs believed that it was with luck and something.
Well I believe Allah has shown us the way to be successful in the quran but if we don't want it or believe in it then we will get the results like wise.
By the way the trad mullahs say success here in this world is only for the kufar, but our success is in the here, But zenje look at the success and prosperity of the early believers they did extremely well, why?
Gods Blessings on all.
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Peace simple,
I'm a little confused by some of what you said in your post. So I'll try and address a point or two.
A person who's wealthy, does not mean that person is doing well or is exempt from problems or stress. A person who's wealthy is not necessarily a "kufar" or spiritually disinclined. A person who's poor (meaning without money) may be far from successful. Money does NOT equal success.
By the way the trad mullahs say success here in this world is only for the kufar, but our success is in the here, But zenje look at the success and prosperity of the early believers they did extremely well, why?
The early believers? ? ... most of the messengers themselves were not well off. What about the ones who thought they couldnt be touched by adversity because of their wealth?.. whole cities were destroyed. What about the Samiri who had so much wealth people envied him and wanted to be him, where did he end up? ideaAgain, thank you for sharing your views and reading mine as well.
Peace be with you.
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I wonder if you could tell me which group is mostly responsible for
1 crimes against humanity
2 Serial killers
3 In a none muslim country could you tell me which is the largest group within a prision population men and womenTnanks
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Just a general comment.
Did all messengers go down in worldly success , of anykind, or upwards and showed people how they may go upwards aswell through just means and share it ?
Should we be trying to follow their footsteps too or not?
muslim country saffy?can't be they arn't as active.
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peace
Just think or check who spends (which nations) the most for charity and aren?t they the most prosperouse aswell?
that would be denmark, and no! were fucked, like the rest of europe we have been taken over by facsism.
http//www.globalissues.org/i/bar.png
http//www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Development/aid/oldgraphsoda.aspright now were are being mislead by people who is to the right of the right wing. and its scary. so if that comes along with quranic prosperity....i dont want none.
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where on earth are the muslim countries here on the chart -at your link???
God Bless.
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Peace all,
believers - or muslimeen - whatever u call them are described in quran as being "kings and queens on earth".
I agree with zein when he states that this has nothing to do with financial wealth, even though it is not exclusive - everything depends on what u do with ur wealth...
It's all about peaceful minds or rather hearts and the "muslims" that are described in simples first post are not would i would call kings and queens on earth roll
elke
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Well elke sorry but my mind is made up here - i wouldn't be a follower of any body calling themselves a messenger where they have to carry a bowl to beg and yet be the most peaceful that isn't my islam then again you are entitled to your view.
No body can match the followers of Allah not the shaitan or anybody else thank you if you think the shaitans or the mundane humans can be better offs then those who believe and follow the creater you don't know what or who he is and what power he has for his slaves.Then again i don't mean all the powerfull ones are his slaves but then again they will never last long.
Gods Blessings and Thanks.
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Peace simple
i don't understand ur reaction
i wouldn't be a follower of any body calling themselves a messenger where they have to carry a bowl to beg and yet be the most peaceful that isn't my islam then again you are entitled to your view.
where did u get the idea of begging from my post ?
I'm not a buddhist and my first reference is quran - thank ulk
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Peace,
No body can match the followers of Allah not the shaitan or anybody else thank you if you think the shaitans or the mundane humans can be better offs then those who believe and follow the creater you don't know what or who he is and what power he has for his slaves.Then again i don't mean all the powerfull ones are his slaves but then again they will never last long.
I don't understand what you are trying to say in this post or the entire thread. To clarify...if anyone is 'poor' or 'begging' or in a state of upheaval (countries as well as humans), they are not those who believe or the slaves of Allah? Who do you think is lasting long? Any examples that constitute long lasting prosperity that we can examine? Or the ones that are prosperous only prosperous when they are 'believers'? Can there be a little more complexity involved than one's belief or following God in regards to prosperity and that too material prosperity? Thanks.
To add- are you mz357?!?
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Hello All,
The research is done here I believe in the UK. In the UK majority of the Muslims are from Bangladesh, Pakistan and India.
? More Muslim children are taken into social services care than any other religious group per capita
This because the old extended-family system that is prevalent in Asian societies is breaking up due to the nature of society here and the lifestyle.
? Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment of all religious groups
This is because education of girls is discouraged and frowned upon by traditional muslims from the Indian Subcontinent.
I also believe that traditionalist view of life here on Earth is not very positive. Intellectual and personal success and fullfilment in life is looked on negatively since these things will not get you to heaven. So even for boys there is no onus to make something with their life...
? Muslims were identified with the poorest health of all communities
This is because women from the Indian subcontinent are mostly confined to their homes by their menfolk. High fat diet and no exercise is not good for any person.
? Muslims have the highest rate of disability amongst all communities at 24%
This is because First Cousin Marriages are allowed in Islam. Perhaps upto 90% of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis marry their first cousins especially here in this country. This is not genetically healthy.
? Lowest level of educational qualifications from all groups
Because education of girls is frowned upon by traditionalist muslims and wordly sucess and personal fulfilment is not looked upon positively especially for girls.
? There are more young people amongst the Muslim community than in any other faith group, up to 34%
This is because like the catholics traditionalist muslims discourage contraception. So on average Muslims here have larger families.
Regards,
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Salaams lote - good post,
just to clarify it all - i think there is a little confusion.
More Muslim children are taken into social services care than any other religious group per capita
? Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment of all religious groups
? Muslims were identified with the poorest health of all communities
? Muslims have the highest rate of disability amongst all communities at 24%
? Lowest level of educational qualifications from all groups
? There are more young people amongst the Muslim community than in any other faith group, up to 34%
Source Office of National Statistics (ONS) and Guardian Oct 12, 2004Sorry to say i don't condone the position of the muslims as depicted by the national statistics,
but of course they are in this position because they are not following true islam.
But if some people believe there is nothing the matter with their position in the society as depicted by the national research then good for them- although i am not of them , thanks.
Gods Blessings.
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Peace simple,
"Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment of all religious groups"
For the people who are trying to get a job, racial/religious discrimination is a big hurdle. Does one try to shave off his beard or drop her veil to get a job? Does this rate include women who are more likely to be full-time homemakers? There are less of a range of jobs for Muslims to choose from e.g. no gambling, alcohol, sex industry etc Do Muslims have the finances to get qualifications.
"Muslims were identified with the poorest health of all communities"
That would be expected for probably the least wealthy community?"Muslims have the highest rate of disability amongst all communities at 24%"
Are they practising self-harm?"There are more young people amongst the Muslim community than in any other faith group, up to 34%"
What's wrong with that?
Immigrants no matter who, no matter where, need time to establish themselves.
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I think that, even if we are hit with hard times, such as unemployment, disabilities, etc., it doesn't mean that Allah is not with us. These can be tests of faith, and it can even be that these hardships that Muslims are facing is because Allah wants to remove their past sins. I mean.. punishment in this life is surely better than punishment in the next isnt it.
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Greetings simple,
Sorry to say i don't condone the position of the muslims as depicted by the national statistics,
but of course they are in this position because they are not following true islam.
I have heard this many times. What is this "true islam"?
Gods Blessings.
And what is the point of this?
Anwar Azim
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Salaams Anwar,
You said
"I have heard this many times. What is this "true Islam"?"
It?s the struggle for "PEACE AND SECURITY FOR ALL - I THINK".
Instead those who are labeling themselves ?Muslim? are but idol worshippers, sorry to say and that is the reason for the rotten state they are in, they will stay in it as long as they don?t stick with the principles laid out in the great book ? the quran ,for success and prosperity.
you said
"And what is the point of this?"
I want for you what i want for me - thats the point of that.
God Bless.