Fate of the qur'aan rejecters
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Peace all,
It is stated in the qur'aan that it is inspired by The God and could not have been produced without The God
619 Say "Which is the greatest testimony?" Say "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Quran that I may warn you with it and whomever it reaches, that you bear witness that along with God are other gods!" Say "I do not bear witness!" Say "He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you set up!"
1015 And when Our clear revelations are recited to them, those who do not wish to meet Us said "Bring a Quran other than this, or change it!" Say "It is not for me to change it from my own accord, I merely follow what is inspired to me. I fear if I disobey my Lord the retribution of a great day!"
1037 This Quran could not have been produced without God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and to give detail to the Scripture in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.
Whoever rejects and denies The God's revelations is inventing a lie against The God. If we ponder and reflect upon its signs we will indeed know that it is from The God. His words affirm the truth and erase the falsehood
4224 Or do they Say "He has fabricated lies about God!" If God willed, He could have sealed your heart. And God erases the falsehood and affirms the truth with His words. He is fully aware of what is inside the chests.
Those who deny The God's revelations will be questioned by Him
2783 And the Day We gather from every nation a party that denied Our revelations, then they will be driven.
2784 Until they have come, He will Say "Have you denied My revelations while you had no explicit knowledge of them? What were you doing?"As for those who deny The God's revelations and invent lies about Him, here is what The God says about them
They are deaf and dumb
639 And those who deny Our signs, they are deaf and dumb, in darkness. Whoever God wishes He misguides, and whoever He wishes He makes him on a straight path.
They believe in falsehood
1672 Do they believe in falsehood, while in God's favour they are denying?
They are rejecters
1683 They recognize God's blessings, then they deny them. And most of them are rejecters.
They are deviated
4063 Thus, those who used to deny God's Revelations were deviated.
They are wicked
621 And who is more wicked than one who invents lies about God, or denies His revelations! The wicked will never succeed.
6157 Or you Say "If the Scripture was sent to us we would have been more guided than they!" Clarity has come to you from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy. Who is more wicked than one who denies God's revelations and turns away from them?
737 Who is more wicked than one who invents lies about God, or denies His revelations? These will receive their recompense from the record; so that when Our messengers come to take them, they will Say "Where are those whom you used to call on besides God?" they said "They have abandoned us!" and they bore witness upon themselves that they were rejecters.
They are arrogant
7146 I will turn away from My revelations those who are arrogant on Earth without right, and if they see every sign they do not believe in it, and if they see the path of guidance they do not take it as a path; and if they see the path of mischief, they take it as a path. That is because they have denied Our revelations and were heedless of them.
3959 Yes indeed, My revelations came to you, but you denied them and turned arrogant, and became one of the rejecters.
They are losers
1095 And do not be of those who denied God's revelations, for you will be of the losers.
They follow their desire and are miserable
7176 Had We wished, We could have elevated him by it, but he stuck to the Earth and he followed his desire. His example is like the dog, if you scold him he pants, and if you leave him he pants; such is the example of the people who deny Our revelations. Relate the stories, perhaps they will think.
7177 Miserable is the example of the people who denied Our revelations, and it was their souls that they had wronged.625 The example of those who were given the Torah, but then failed to uphold it, is like the donkey that is carrying a cargo of books. Miserable indeed is the example of people who denied God's revelations. And God does not guide the wicked people.
FATE OF THOSE WHO DENY THE GOD'S REVELATIONS
239 And those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell, in it they will abide.
627 And if you could see when they are standing over the Fire, they Say "If only we could be sent back, we would not deny the revelations of our Lord, and we would be believers!"
649 And those who deny Our revelations, the retribution will inflict them for their vileness.
6157 We will punish those who turn away from Our revelations with the pain of retribution for what they turned away.
740 Those who have denied Our revelations, and became arrogant towards them, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter Paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.
7182 As for those who deny Our revelations, We will entice them from where they do not know.
2177 And We granted him victory against the people that denied Our revelations. They were a people of evil, so We drowned them all.
23104 The Fire will scorch their faces, and in it their grin will be with displaced lips.
23105 "Were My revelations not recited to you, then you denied them?"
23106 They said "Our Lord, our wickedness overcame us, and we were a misguided people."
23107 "Our Lord, bring us out of it, and if we return to this then we are wicked."
23108 He said "Be humiliated therein and do not speak to Me."3016 And as for those who rejected and denied Our revelations and the meeting of the Hereafter, they shall be brought forth for the retribution.
7821 For Hell is in wait.
7822 For the transgressors it is a dwelling place.
7823 They will abide in it for eons.
7824 They will not taste anything cold in it nor drink.
7825 Except for boiling water and filthy discharge.
7826 An exact recompense.
7827 They did not expect the reckoning.
7828 And they denied Our revelations greatly.
7829 And everything We have counted in a record.
7830 So taste it, for no increase will come to you from Us except in retribution.6410 As for those who reject and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of the Fire; they will abide therein. What a miserable destiny!
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Salaam Tanveer,
While I agree with your post, I myself am wondering whether I am one of the rejecters (hopefully not). With constant debate among ourselves, it could be troublesome to determine who is being arrogant, who is following falsehood, who is following desire, etc. I myself know that I am still very limited in my understanding of the quran. Thus, it is very much likely that I understand the quran incorrectly (thus I'm following falsehood?). If, say, I die today, I am so very afraid of what will happen to me if I happen to be one of the rejecters.
Perhaps the first step is to accept the quran as the guidance. And try to extinguish our negative traits. In that way, perhaps we can make our thoughts and behaviors more quranic.
And by the way, nice job in collecting the ayats.
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Good post brother Tanveer
The problem here bro that some of those still declare the belief in Allah, but at the same time they listened to Satan's call, you know Satan's main objective to flaw everyone of us, he is so committed that he said this to Allah
(Iblis) said "Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong,-?
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-> By the power of God, Iblis will do his best to put all the believers in the wrong, you have to know bro that Iblis?s enemy are the believers not the unbelievers, he needs to do nothing more for the unbelievers, unless they think of believing then he will come back to them from every where trying hard to put them in the wrong again
16- He said Now, because Thou hast sent me astray, verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path.
17- Then I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right hands and from their left hands, and Thou wilt not find most of them beholden (unto Thee).
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(17)-> See, ? verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path? and how he will do it? ? I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right hands and from their left hands, and Thou wilt not find most of them beholden (unto Thee).?
A major problem for those humans bro is this, their horrible crime of rejecting the Quran as being the words of Allah as it says about itself, looks like a good deed to them
What! is he whose evil deed is made fairseeming to him so much so that he considers it good? Now surely Allah makes err whom He pleases and guides aright whom He pleases, so let not your soul waste away in grief for them; surely Allah is Cognizant of what they do
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-> See again bro, people like me and you who submitted to Allah and accepted the Quran as His true and unchanged words, should not waste our souls away in grief for them ? so let not your soul waste away in grief for them;? because ? surely Allah is Cognizant of what they do?
Very simple bro, Iblis screwed those so called Muslims big times, and I bet he is laughing hard at them now, remember when he screwed Adam and his partner?, he laughed and ripped their cloth off, that is what Iblis is, a sick and retarded Kafir Jinn who is a clear enemy to us
Verily Satan is an enemy to you so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.
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-> Please pay attentions to the words ? He only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.?, that is what he did with those so called Muslims who reject that the Quran is the exact and preserved words of our God, he only invited them to do as such so they become his companions in the blazing fire, and sure rejecting the Quran and claiming it is a mere human words is enough to secure a horrible and eternal seat in the blazing fire, even if they do Salat 100 times a day, their seat is secured unless they repent.
Let me put it again in points (What Iblis did for those so called believers)
- He recognised that they want to believe
- He came to them from every where to stop that from happening
- He invited them through ignorance, arrogance and self pride to suggest that the Quran is not the true words of God
- They accepted the invitation and flawed themselves, this made Iblis laugh a lot, I guess
- They secured their seat in the blazing fire if they insist on that non sense and don't repent before death come to them
- Iblis moves to another believer while monitoring the flawed one just in case he/she thinks of considering the Quran as the exact words of Allah again
This is in effect constitutes great SHIRK, even more than the shirk by the Sunni, here is why bro
- Allah told us, the Quran is His real and exact preserved words
- Iblis said it is not
- The believers who say they believe in Allah, listened to Satan and took his words over the words of Allah while continuing to call themselves believers in Allah, but they listened to Satan instead of Allah, THEREFORE THEY SHIRKED. And what shirk that is man, they shirked Satan with Allah, while the sunni shirk Mohammad with Allah, see why I say their shirk is worse than the sunni shirk?, at least Mohammad was a great man, not a sick retarded Kafir Jinn,
Iblis himself can?t be a Mushrik, because he never obeyed anyone else other than Allah, Iblis is ONLY a Kafir because he only disobeyed Allah but never associated partners with Allah
This crystal clear fact will be told to those ignorant so called believers by Iblis himself
And Satan will say when the matter is decided "It was Allah Who gave you a promise of Truth I too promised, but I failed in my promise to you. I had no authority over you except to invite you but ye listened to me then reproach not me, but reproach your own souls. I cannot listen to your cries, nor can ye listen to mine. I reject your former act in associating me with Allah. For wrong-doers there must be a grievous penalty."
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-> See mate, when the judgment verdict is passed, Iblis will tell whoever he managed to flaw ? And Satan will say when the matter is decided It was Allah Who gave you a promise of Truth I too promised, but I failed in my promise to you.?, the fact of the matter is, that shaitan never had authority on us by a mere invitation ? I had no authority over you except to invite you but ye listened to me?, but he can?t be blamed because he didn?t force them ? then reproach not me, but reproach your own souls.?, in fact both will be crying hard at that time ? I cannot listen to your cries, nor can ye listen to mine.?, then he will tell them that their actions was SHIRK ? I reject your former act in associating me with Allah.?
I hope this will make them wake up but again ? so let not your soul waste away in grief for them; surely Allah is Cognizant of what they do?
We only need to worry about our own selves bro
Every soul is held in pledge for what it earns
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16- Every man's fate We have fastened on his own neck On the Day of Judgment We shall bring out for him a scroll, which he will see spread open.
17- Read your book; your own self is sufficient as a reckoner against you this day.
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(14)May Allah save the true believers the horror of that day
Salam bro
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Peace adley and all. Adley,dont be too hard on yourself...just try to do the best you can,live morally and be open-minded. If you are concerned about your actions and faith that is a good indicator of genuine 'belief'.
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Peace tanvermed and ab. Gods words are not restricted to the arabic language or the quran...are they? Many people reject the immoral translations and interpretations.Many dont know or have access to the quran,yet they believe in god,a final day,and live morally...Isnt this enough? (see 262 and 569.)
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Peace enquirer,
Gods words are not restricted to the arabic language or the quran...are they? Many people reject the immoral translations and interpretations.Many dont know or have access to the quran,yet they believe in god,a final day,and live morally...Isnt this enough? (see 262 and 569.)
Not knowing or not having access to the qur'aan is not the same as denying or rejecting it. Knowing and having access to it and then rejecting or denying it will be a problem though.
The other books containing the so called revelations of The God other than the qur'aan have been heavily corrupted and distorted. However if any of those books contain any revelation that is authenticated and confirmed by the qur'aan, then we cannot deny that revelation either. But then it becomes redundant; if that revelation is in the qur'aan already, then we don't really need the other books.
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The other books containing the so called revelations of The God other than the qur'aan have been heavily corrupted and distorted. However if any of those books contain any revelation that is authenticated and confirmed by the qur'aan, then we cannot deny that revelation either. But then it becomes redundant; if that revelation is in the qur'aan already, then we don't really need the other books.
right . we dont need any other book . because all will be judged by the Book which we call "Koran"
3669 And the earth will shine with the light of her Lord, and the Book will be laid open before them, and the Prophets and the witnesses will be brought, and judgment will be given between them with justice, and they will not be wronged.
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Peace tanvermed and darbari. Tanvermed;how do we know the previous scriptures are corrupted,and how do we know the quran is not corrupted?
Also is there no other medium through which god talks to us?
Darbari;If we dont need any other book or knowledge,then how do we understand the quran?
If we understand the quran by the quran then why the confusion on different verses,and why the circular logic of proving something by itself?
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If we dont need any other book or knowledge,then how do we understand the quran?
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If we understand the quran by the quran then why the confusion on different verses,
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and why the circular logic of proving something by itself?
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i meant that the Koran is like our "text book" . like in a school students study their text book and their exam results are also judged by their text book . thus we need to act according to the Koran , not according to any other book .
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the confusion is because of our own shortcomings .
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what was i proving ?!
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Peace darbari. How can we act according to the whole quran when we dont even know what half of it actually means?(3;7 may give a clue.)
How do we know the quran is correct and not corrupted just by reading it? Just because a book says it will be protected,doesnt mean that it will. (Some jewish brothers say the torah is still in the original form. ) ) In other words where is the proof of what a verse means,and that the quran is free from corruption and contradiction? Where does the verification come from? The quran or god? If you say the quran, then the logic is circular and implies god only talks through the quran and no-where else.
Peace all. ps;most people of every faith say their book is worthy of following,the key is; proof/evidence/verification is needed...,some proof outside of the actual book would also be sensible.. -
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Peace darbari. How can we act according to the whole quran when we dont even know what half of it actually means?(3;7 may give a clue.)
a simple answer we act according to the muhkamat ayat mentioned in 37. i.e the ayat containing commands .
How do we know the quran is correct and not corrupted just by reading it? Just because a book says it will be protected,doesnt mean that it will. (Some jewish brothers say the torah is still in the original form. ) In other words where is the proof of what a verse means,and that the quran is free from corruption and contradiction? Where does the verification come from? The quran or god? If you say the quran, then the logic is circular and implies god only talks through the quran and no-where else.
Peace all. ps;most people of every faith say their book is worthy of following,the key is; proof/evidence/verification is needed...,some proof outside of the actual book would also be sensible..if u sincerely want proof for the Koran , then this proof should be enough . any sincere person, after reading the Koran,can see that the it is from God . but the insincere people , they bring excuse after excuse to disbelieve in the Koran . so i wont be debating the divinity of the Koran much . i would like to see your comments on the proof though .
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Peace darbari. So if i a person reads an immoral translation of the quran and then rejects it,then that person is insincere? So people who do not follow the quran(eg jews and christians.) are all insincere,even if they believe in god,the last day and do good deeds? your interpretation seems to contradict the following verses... 2;62 and 569. what do these verses mean then?
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Peace darbari. So if i a person reads an immoral translation of the quran and then rejects it,then that person is insincere?
a translation of the Koran is not the Koran itself . the Koran is arabic .
So people who do not follow the quran(eg jews and christians.) are all insincere,even if they believe in god,the last day and do good deeds? your interpretation seems to contradict the following verses... 2;62 and 569. what do these verses mean then?
believing in God doesnt mean believing in their version of God(that is idolatry. for example christians believe in their version of God. they cannot not believers in God according to the Koran) . to believe in God u need to believe in His Book . u cannot believe in God and disbelieve in the Koran at the same time .
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Peace darbari. You are contradicting the verses of 2;62 and 5;69,and the permission to marry people of the book from before us? Can you please explain what these verses mean in your opinion? Some sunnis say you cant believe in god properly without the hadith...But you are saying you cant believe in god properly without the quran...See the similarity?
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Peace naxus. Thats right,people trying to scare,coerce or bully us into believing either in illusion or exactly what they believe, without proof or reason or thought for freedom of conscience.
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Peace darbari. You are contradicting the verses of 2;62 and 5;69,and the permission to marry people of the book from before us?
the "hadoo" and "nasaara" is not refering to the jews and christians . jews and christains are idolators .
"ahlul kitab/people of the Book" is not refering to the jews and christains either . we are the ones with the Book .
Can you please explain what these verses mean in your opinion? Some sunnis say you cant believe in god properly without the hadith...But you are saying you cant believe in god properly without the quran...See the similarity?
this is a flimsy argument . it is like saying "Koran is not the word of God since Quran has similarities(like the language) with that(any) man-made book" !!
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or a better example , "since that boy's looks are similar to my brother, he must also be my brother" !
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Peace to all
Good points Enquirer I agree with your every post on this thread.This is again a common weapen use by most of the religions follow us or you will end up in hell.That is the weapen of fear to scare an indiviual from his free thoughts .Peace naxus. Thats right,people trying to scare,coerce or bully us into believing either in illusion or exactly what they believe, without proof or reason or thought for freedom of conscience.
Peace all.no fellas .
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Peace enquirer,
I think you are confusing Allah's revelations meaning His revealed words with other signs of Allah like the universe, cosmic phenomenon, archeological signs etc. Of course there are other signs of Allah other than the qur'aan and we can learn from all of them. The topic here is limited only to Allah's revealed words.
I agree that the qur'aan is not the only book which contains Allah's revelations. The so called bible also does contain some of Allah's revelations, the ones that the qur'aan authenticates or confirms. The bible, however, also contains a vast amount of information that is NOT Allah's words. The only way one can differentiate is by comparing all of the biblical verses with those of the qur'aan, and if the qur'aan authenticates or confirms some biblical verse, then we should believe in that verse as Allah's revelation. My point is that since that biblical revelation is already present in the qur'aan, because the qur'aan is authenticating and confirming it, then we don't need the biblical revelation, as it will be redundant.
There is no contradiction with the verses of 262 and 569. The people mentioned in that verse other than the believers may know about the qur'aan or have access to it or they might not. If they did not have access to the qur'aan and did not know about it and did not read and understand it (like those people who were present before the revelation of the qur'aan) and still believed in Allah and the last day and did good deeds then they have nothing to fear. Not knowing or having access to the qur'aan does not mean that they are DENYING or REJECTING Allah's revelations. How can someone deny a revelation when they have not even read it, or know about it, or have access to it ?
If, however, those people do have access to the qur'aan, and they know about it, and they have read it, then they become the people of the book and then if they deny or reject Allah's revelations then there is severe punishment for them.
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if u sincerely want proof for the Koran , then this proof should be enough . any sincere person, after reading the Koran,can see that the it is from God . but the insincere people , they bring excuse after excuse to disbelieve in the Koran . so i wont be debating the divinity of the Koran much . i would like to see your comments on the proof though .
If you believe in such flawed, misconstrued and pick-n-choose proof, then you fall into your own trap in believing nonsense. Below are his two representations as examples. In the first he discards the notion of the word ?many? and in the second he conveniently takes the word ?plenty? into consideration to make it look uneven/unequal, simply because the Quran mentions that good and evil are not the same, yet the number of times both words written being the same, as per his analysis. Other flawed reasoning can easily be fetched out.
If the entire Quran is exactly word-for-word GOD?s Words, then he mustn?t have any difficulty in explaining his analysis right from the very first word down till the end, consistently, coherently and accurately, applying exactly the same scenario to each and every word. I bet he can?t for he can only pick certain words of interest that only fits his criteria (that too haphazardly) and that?s it, viola, the entire Quran, word-for-word, automatically becomes GOD?s Words. Similar to the pathetic code-19, code-7, code-666, etc. scenarios, and now comes the latest version of ?mention? and ?use? of the words.
What is really miraculous is that people will go to leaps and bounds beyond recognition to discredit by crediting false claims attributed to the Quran. What an evil venture.
Also the statement ?If it had been from anyone other than God, it would contain many contradictions? and this ?If it contains many contradictions it came from other than God? (he brushes off by saying that the Quran did not say this). He forgets the word ?if? which plays an important role in understanding language, meaning and usage of the entire sentence.
"Do they not consider the Koran with care. If it had been from anyone other than God, it would contain many (Kathirun) contradictions (Ikhtelaafun-)." Koran 482
The meaning of the statement (use of words) is clear. Considering the nature of the Book and its diverse topics and areas of discussion, if the Book had a human origin, it should be easy to find discrepancies in it. If we consider the "mention" of the words a different picture emerges. Let us see if the Koran passes its own falsification test on the criteria of "self reference" using the "mention" of words.
In the "mention" of the word contradictions (Ikhteelafun), the meaning that emerges is; if the book had a human origin it should contain many (Kathirun), Ikhteelafun (contradictions, the word). Many denotes more than one. To check how many times the word "Ikhteelafun (contradictions)" occurs in the Koran, we make use of the index of every Arabic word in the Koran. Due to the work of Faud Abd al Baqi, we possess such an index of the Koran today, titled, Al- Moojam al Mofahris.
Indeed the author of the Koran is aware of self-reference and the Koran passes the test of the "mention" of words as the word "Ikhteelafun (contradictions)," is just mentioned ONCE in the whole Koran in this particular verse. Not many (Kathirun) times, but only once.Some people band together the last two words of this verse Many (Kathirun) Contradictions (Ikhteelafun). Then they say see the Koran mentions the words Ikhteelafun Kathirun (Many Contradictions) and the verse says that if it came from other than God it would contain Ikhteelfun Kathirun (Many contradictions). This is a very smart move in trying to prove the Koran false but it?s not smart enough.
People who try to disprove the Koran by taking the last two words in conjunction are implying, in the mention of words, that if the Koran contains the words "Ikhteelafun Kathirun (many contradictions)," it came from other than God. The statement in the Koran is not saying that. It is saying that books from other than God can contain the words "Ikhteelafun Kathirun," but so also can a book from God. Thus they fall into the famous Fallacy of the Converse in logic. Rain means wet streets but wet streets do not necessarily mean rain. Similarly, the Koran did not say, "If it contains Ikhtelafun Kathirun (many contradictions) it came from other than God." It does not say that.It is because the qualifier for the verse, "Kathirun", i.e. "many" is taken out
"Say The evil (al-Khabees) and the good (at-Tayyab) are not alike?(Koran 5100)"
When we come to this particular statement in the Koran on dissimilarity, the items mentioned occur an equal number of times. The word "evil (al-Khabees)," is mentioned seven times (see page 226 of the index) and the word, "the good (at-Tayyab)," seven times also (see page 432). Did the Koran fail? According to our trend above, the negative (the evil) should be one less than the positive (the good). How come "the evil" is one more than what it should be?
The Koran fails only if we cut off the statement in the middle of the sentence. The verse continues
"Say The evil and the good are not alike; EVENTHOUGH the plenty of the evil amazes you. So be careful of your duty to God, O people that understand, so that you may SUCEED (Koran 5100)"
If we are careful, just like the above statement mentions, we notice that God joins together all the evil (al-Khabees)" in the use of words, i.e. all different forms of the word and not only "the evil (al-Khabees), in order to differentiate between evil and good. Thus "evil (al-Khabees)" is separated from "good (at-Tayyab)."
"?nor is the shadow (az-Zill) as the heat (al-Har or al-Haroor) (Koran 3522)"
The word used for "the shadow (az-Zill)," is mentioned in the Koran four times (see page 434 of the index) and the word "the heat (al-Har)," is mentioned three times. The statement (3522) which mentions that "the shadow" is not as "the heat," is the third time both words "az-Zill" and "al-har" are used in the Koran.No such thing is said in 3522. Perhaps he got mixed up with the wrong verse. Ah, the ?mistake?, the ?mention? and the ?use? of words as ?self-reference?.
but the insincere people , they bring excuse after excuse to disbelieve in the Koran
Yep, such as your "proof". Easy said than done. Here's one for your to ponder upon and explain why your alleged "Words of GOD" are contradictory
Wherever you are, death will overtake you, though you are in lofty towers, and if a benefit comes to them, they say This is from Allah; and if a misfortune befalls them, they say This is from you. Say All is from Allah, but what is the matter with these people that they do not make approach to understanding what is told?
The very next verse says
Whatever benefit comes to you, it is from Allah, and whatever misfortune befalls you, it is from yourself, and We have sent you, to mankind as an apostle; and Allah is sufficient as a witness.