Did Lot offer her daughters for sex?
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peace
Naxus makes a good point. This is the trap most "quran aloners" get into. They select what they want to judge objectively. Never questioning the quran, but questioning (and making fun of) every other book on the planet. The quran is "the best" book. I don't know if it claims to be perfect, though. Even if it is, we must look at the quran objectively and verify everything it says before we follow it. That's the only way we will know what these verses mean or what they can mean.
so is the quran the word of God? not technically. But if it is from God, the only way we can know is by examining it critically.
BUT i know some people have already found something(s) in the quran that has helped them make up their mind about this.
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Ahmad every religion claims the same if i ask a Hindu about things in his religion which seems illogical to me he will give me the same answer because God told me if i ask a Christen a Jew or a Budhest etc etc all of them have the same answer n that is "God told us" keeping this in mind wut is the difference b/n all of those religions when they use the same logic.
Hello naxus
Firstly, I agree with your comment that most religion followers if not all will defend their religion hard even if it does not make sense to the common sense that that religion is corrupt, including Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists, even Atheists will defend their Atheism hard
However you assumed that everyone of all these followers is following blindly without deploying the common sense via the brain, I?m sure most follow blindly, but I can assure that a lot also put reasoning in place and think accordingly, it is not fair by you to assume that all these religions followers are dumb, I know many who are smarter than even Einstein, see being smart is not about being exceptional in science, being smart is to calculate the chances of a god existence then make your bet accordingly, I will explain this later,
What I?m trying to say that it is not easy not to be unbiased but there are many who are still unbiased, at least they are not biased to themselves, those people can sit down and spend years analysing the messages from so called god that we have in our hands, and I?m sure if they deploy reasoning the truth will be crystal clear, it does not happen over night though
Now let?s work my chances and yours, I assumed that you reject the existence of God, i.e. an atheist, please correct me of I?m wrong
Let?s also assume for argument sake that there are 4 possible religions that one of them must be true, those religions are
- Hinduism
- Judaism
- Christianity
- Islam
what I meant by being true, i.e. the message that was sent is still preserved and not corrupted by its followers
Let?s now add you religion to the above 4 which is assumed Atheism, each one will have a probability, let?s make all of them equal, i.e.?
- Hinduism 20%
- Judaism 20%
- Christianity 20%
- Islam 20%
- Atheism 20%
i.e. there is a 20% chance for each of the above 5 probabilities to be true
all the first 4 say that there will be severe punishment for the rejectors, as well will be a generous reward for the followers
Atheism on the other hand say there is nothing after death, i.e. there is no punishment nor reward
Now let?s assume there is a god
My chance to be severely punished will be 60%
Your chance will be 80%
See, I?m better
Now for the reward, I have 20% chance
And you have zero chance
I?m still better, LOL
Now if there is no god
Well who cares about chances here bro, me and you will be safe i.e. non existents anymore
Now if we say the chanceof a god is 50%
Then the final chances for me and you if the 50% probability is to pass
Me will have ? * 3/5 = 3/10 = 30% chance to be punished
You will have this chance ? * 4/5 = 4/10 = 40% chance to be punished
See how I will always be in better situation
The ironic note is this
If there is no god, what the hell I lost?, nothing for sure, I might even had a better life than yours ?I wish you the best of course?, I mean, I might had resources in life that enabled me to enjoy it better than you while keeping the faith in God
See an god rejector has 40% chance to be humiliated bad with no chance of winning even if there is no God, they are the ultimate losers in my eyes, and for me they earned the title Dumb very well, sorry
U rejected hadiths because it doesn,t make sense to u but u r accepting Quran which is not making sense either.I,m not going to judge u.U should judge u,r ownself .
That?s is not true, because I never rejected the hadith as a whole, I only accept from them what the Quran qualifies, the rest is straight into the rubbish bin, and even the accepted ones are nothing but a mere history record for me and in no way can be compared to the God?s words,
I always play it safe and if I will bet, I have to make sure that most likely I will win at the end, there is no blind following in my life, even to my parents, in fact my parents hardly taught me anything, I was taught the real life by the best teacher, that teach is our God
Peace bro
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it is not fair by you to assume that all these religions followers are dumb, I know many who are smarter than even Einstein,
I don,t know any one smarter than Einstein. He has done more good for humunity than any one else in human history.
However you assumed that everyone of all these followers is following blindly without deploying the common sense via the brain, I?m sure most follow blindly, but I can assure that a lot also put reasoning in place and think accordingly, it is not fair by you to assume that all these religions followers are dumb,
I,m not asuming any thing i believe wut i observe the fact that religion is an obstruction in the advancement of humanity is not a hidden secret from Christinity Islam to Hinduism these beliefs r still hindering humans from advancement the fact that the countries with secular laws r more advanced and safe for living a god life is a reallty n the fact that theostatic states r failiers is a fact you can not deny.
What I?m trying to say that it is not easy not to be unbiased but there are many who are still unbiased, at least they are not biased to themselves, those people can sit down and spend years analysing the messages from so called god that we have in our hands, and I?m sure if they deploy reasoning the truth will be crystal clear, it does not happen over night though
The message of God is for every one to understand. When it is confines to a specific language specific peoples or i may say a specific sex than it is bias and something bias is not from God.
Now let?s work my chances and yours, I assumed that you reject the existence of God, i.e. an atheist, please correct me of I?m wrong
No i have rejected the charlatans not God i believe on God but i don,t believe on any religion for that.
Let?s also assume for argument sake that there are 4 possible religions that one of them must be true, those religions are
- Hinduism
- Judaism
- Christianity
- Islam
what I meant by being true, i.e. the message that was sent is still preserved and not corrupted by its followers
Let?s now add you religion to the above 4 which is assumed Atheism, each one will have a probability, let?s make all of them equal, i.e.?
- Hinduism 20%
- Judaism 20%
- Christianity 20%
- Islam 20%
- Atheism 20%
i.e. there is a 20% chance for each of the above 5 probabilities to be true
all the first 4 say that there will be severe punishment for the rejectors, as well will be a generous reward for the followers
Atheism on the other hand say there is nothing after death, i.e. there is no punishment nor reward
Now let?s assume there is a god
My chance to be severely punished will be 60%
Your chance will be 80%
See, I?m better
Now for the reward, I have 20% chance
And you have zero chance
I?m still better, LOL
Now if there is no god
Well who cares about chances here bro, me and you will be safe i.e. non existents anymore
Now if we say the chanceof a god is 50%
Then the final chances for me and you if the 50% probability is to pass
Me will have ? * 3/5 = 3/10 = 30% chance to be punished
You will have this chance ? * 4/5 = 4/10 = 40% chance to be punished
See how I will always be in better situation
I didn,t know whether to laugh or cry on the above statement of yours.You are talking about probablities,Probablility is likeliwood of something happening it is not certain.
My stance on God is that if there is a God than that God will treat every one on the merit of good rather than on beilieves.Every person in this world has there own problems there own circumstances.We could not judge every one with the same glasses.A person born in Africa has his own situations a person in Asia or any other part of world can not judge him according to there own circumstances.
Qualty of good which a God can judge veries from a person to person.
For example there is a millionier who give a grant of 10,000 dollars to a charity organization n a simple person who just has one bread to eat but when he saw a hungry child he give half of this bread to that poor child.On papper half of a bread is in no comprision to 10000$ but on the base of Good deed those 10000$ has no chance against that peace of bread that simple person is more richer than that millionier he sacrifice his own wish or cumfort for some one else the millionier doesnot have any effect on him self while the simple person does get effected n he have sleep with a empty stomach on that night .Its only God who can judge both of them to perfection.
What i mean to say is that will you want to know the religions of these guys or you will just see there deed i believe that God will judge us on our deeds rather than believes.
Religion is an easy way out any thing you do bad you have Satan to blame
If there is no god, what the hell I lost?, nothing for sure, I might even had a better life than yours ?I wish you the best of course?, I mean, I might had resources in life that enabled me to enjoy it better than you while keeping the faith in God
See an god rejector has 40% chance to be humiliated bad with no chance of winning even if there is no God, they are the ultimate losers in my eyes, and for me they earned the title Dumb very well, sorry
What you are doing is competing others.On the other hand i don,t need that competition i beleive only my own deeds will effect me rather than the deeds of others .Your belief have no effect on me .You need to win to satisfy your self i,m already satisfied .
That?s is not true, because I never rejected the hadith as a whole, I only accept from them what the Quran qualifies, the rest is straight into the rubbish bin, and even the accepted ones are nothing but a mere history record for me and in no way can be compared to the God?s words,
Infact i have the same believe as you but offcourse with a difference i only accept the good from any religion or any person n the rest is in rubbish bin just like you do
I always play it safe and if I will bet, I have to make sure that most likely I will win at the end, there is no blind following in my life, even to my parents, in fact my parents hardly taught me anything, I was taught the real life by the best teacher, that teach is our God
Again you want to win well best of luck for that. What you do is blind following whether you accept it or not when you accept Jesus born to a virgin mother it is blind following you can not give any logical explaination for that to me
Peace
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Peace naxus. Some excellent points made. idea
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peace kgb and all. Its also the common hearsay,misinterpretation and idolisation of the quran which is a hindrance to humanity...,and thus the quran is made into a tool for exploitation,oppression,justification of evil, and ignorance...
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Nexus
Religions are humanity not the otherway around Nexus. Islam is not hinderance to anything at all its the common popular interpretation hearsay hadiths which are used as effective tools for exploitation and oppression.
Peace KGB n all
sorry i tend to dissagree with you.Religions is a tool of ignorence it stops humanity from developing .
A common factor in all religion is that they are sexist all of them are mainly addressed to males in one way or another .They permote inequality and suppression .Its just one example and there are many others.
Peace
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peace kgb and all. Its also the common hearsay,misinterpretation and idolisation of the quran which is a hindrance to humanity...,and thus the quran is made into a tool for exploitation,oppression,justification of evil, and ignorance...
Peace all.Peace Enquirer
Good points.I will add another if Quran or any other book which is claimed to be universal guidence to God why are they misinterpreted why are they hard to understand why are they like riddles.Its because they are not what they claim they are not universal they are not simple hence they are not a guidence to God.
Peace
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Nexus and Enquirer I have nothing further to say.
I believe laughing won't offend you guys. lol lol lol
Well actually you have nothing further to say because you have nothing to say
Laughing is a good way to release tension and stress and you certainly need that
twisted
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I don,t know any one smarter than Einstein. He has done more good for humunity than any one else in human history.
oh yeh he was a very good jew, he created the atomic bomb that killed thousands and thousands of innocent humans
he must be in heaven now
I,m not asuming any thing i believe wut i observe the fact that religion is an obstruction in the advancement of humanity is not a hidden secret from Christinity Islam to Hinduism these beliefs r still hindering humans from advancement the fact that the countries with secular laws r more advanced and safe for living a god life is a reallty n the fact that theostatic states r failiers is a fact you can not deny.
a typical atheist statement, nothing new really, sorry
The message of God is for every one to understand. When it is confines to a specific language specific peoples or i may say a specific sex than it is bias and something bias is not from God.
a baseless and unfounded statement, Allah created thel anguages and it is up to Him to choose which one to use to send His messages, and I?m sure He used more than one language for His consistant messages to humanity that were sealed by the Arabic Quran
For the sex issue, yeh you are right, the corrupt Bible discriminate between men and woman for no logical reason, now show me how the Quran did the same, I can show you how the bible did it and I?m sure you will agree, now I?m not saying that the bible "as is now" is the true inspiration of God, in fact it is not after it got corrupted by sick humans
No i have rejected the charlatans not God i believe on God but i don,t believe on any religion for that.
yeh right, the man made god you made according to your own desires, well, what you are going to say to the real God when He hold you responsible for your belief?, I mean if it comes true, you know the theory of propability still give it a chance logically speaking
but I know what you will say
?I?m guilty my God, is there is a way out?
I didn,t know whether to laugh or cry on the above statement of yours.
if you laughed, I guess you should thank me for making you laugh
if you cried, then you have to take what I said very serious indeed
You are talking about probablities,Probablility is likeliwood of something happening it is not certain.
excuse me, the probability is 100% correct, if you have a bag with red ball and a white ball in it
what is your bloody chance to randomly pick the red ball?
A child will answer 50%
Not sure mate, did you go to school or you left early as many western kids do?, just kiddin bro
My stance on God is that if there is a God than that God will treat every one on the merit of good rather than on beilieves.
well, the Quran said that your god is the man made god that many humans make for themselves according to their own desires and sometimes these desires are really low indeed
what did your god do to you?, did he just created you then left you alone?
Did your god create the earth?, and if so, did he tell you that in a book that he sent you?
When you answer these questions, I will take your god seriously
Now regarding the required belief alonge with the good deeds
Well if you think this is injustice then bad luck, what are we going to do if our god is really unjust god and he is just playin with us?, can you do anything about it if it is the case?, please let me know if you can do something about it when you discover that so i will try and do it with ya but I'm sure whatever it is, it will fail. aren't we dealing with a God?
Every person in this world has there own problems there own circumstances.We could not judge every one with the same glasses.A person born in Africa has his own situations a person in Asia or any other part of world can not judge him according to there own circumstances.
of course, glad we agreed on somthin
Qualty of good which a God can judge veries from a person to person.
of course, but we are not talking details, we are only talking general in here
For example there is a millionier who give a grant of 10,000 dollars to a charity organization n a simple person who just has one bread to eat but when he saw a hungry child he give half of this bread to that poor child.On papper half of a bread is in no comprision to 10000$ but on the base of Good deed those 10000$ has no chance against that peace of bread that simple person is more richer than that millionier he sacrifice his own wish or cumfort for some one else the millionier doesnot have any effect on him self while the simple person does get effected n he have sleep with a empty stomach on that night .Its only God who can judge both of them to perfection.
sure and that is what the Quran is telling us exactly
What i mean to say is that will you want to know the religions of these guys or you will just see there deed i believe that God will judge us on our deeds rather than believes.
which god first?
Religion is an easy way out any thing you do bad you have Satan to blame
that is the manipulation the similar like you keep blabbering it, this is in fact not true at all, it is just a lie, because satan can?t be blamed as the Quran told us, see, Allah told us the truth in advance
What you are doing is competing others.On the other hand i don,t need that competition i beleive only my own deeds will effect me rather than the deeds of others .Your belief have no effect on me .You need to win to satisfy your self i,m already satisfied .
I believe Allah described the test we are taking now as a competition indeed, I need to win to save my arse if you don't mind
Infact i have the same believe as you but offcourse with a difference i only accept the good from any religion or any person n the rest is in rubbish bin just like you do
not sure if it is the same belief really, are you sucking at my belief?, just kiddin again
bro, you are free to believe in what you want but that does not mean I should not convey the message to you, especially if the message is not from me, it is like thanks but no thanks from your end,
Again you want to win well best of luck for that. What you do is blind following whether you accept it or not when you accept Jesus born to a virgin mother it is blind following you can not give any logical explaination for that to me
Peace
Of course man, I want to win according to Allah guidance sent to us, but my winning is simply avoiding hell, I was never really looking forward to the garden neither to sleeping with hoor eins in there, I fear God with every single atom in my body that He created and consequently I can?t imagine myself burning in hell for eternity, I love Him very much though, because "at least" of the followings
- He is not going to throw the people He created in Hell regardless while He can do this easily
- He told me exactly what He is going to do with me if I do whatever
- He promised me with mercy for my sins if I believed in Him and not insist on the sin
- He promised me with some other unbelievable rewards
- And He sent me the guidance in a book to help me through this struggle of a very tough test
So why I should reject Him and loose?
I will be a dumb bum if I do
Salam
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oh yeh he was a very good jew, he created the atomic bomb that killed thousands and thousands of innocent humans
he must be in heaven now
And his creation electrcity has save the lives of million and millions and improve the lives of million and millions.This Jew benefited every one regardless of religion ethinicty and creed.
a typical atheist statement, nothing new really, sorry
A typical Islamic statement ,nothing new really,sorry.
a baseless and unfounded statement, Allah created thel anguages and it is up to Him to choose which one to use to send His messages, and I?m sure He used more than one language for His consistant messages to humanity that were sealed by the Arabic Quran
Unfortunatlly almighty was unable to protect those messages and was only able to protect the Arabic one as Muslim claims yet there is Hafs and Warsh versions to disqualify that claim.
For the sex issue, yeh you are right, the corrupt Bible discriminate between men and woman for no logical reason, now show me how the Quran did the same, I can show you how the bible did it and I?m sure you will agree, now I?m not saying that the bible "as is now" is the true inspiration of God, in fact it is not after it got corrupted by sick humans
Why should i care about Bible.Quran and Bible looks same to me alot of illogicall things combine with some good thoughts.About the discrimination b/n man n woman in Quran certainly i will show you some proof .
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YUSUFALI Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.004.034
YUSUFALI Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance) For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).There are other verses too but for the time being i think you should take care of the above verses.
yeh right, the man made god you made according to your own desires, well, what you are going to say to the real God when He hold you responsible for your belief?, I mean if it comes true, you know the theory of propability still give it a chance logically speaking
but I know what you will say
?I?m guilty my God, is there is a way out?
Ok i,m still better even if i made God according to my own desires unlike you who belives on a God created on the desire of a person who lived 1400 years ago.
if you laughed, I guess you should thank me for making you laugh
if you cried, then you have to take what I said very serious indeed
Ok i will prefer to laugh thanks for that.
excuse me, the probability is 100% correct, if you have a bag with red ball and a white ball in it
what is your bloody chance to randomly pick the red ball?
A child will answer 50%
Not sure mate, did you go to school or you left early as many western kids do?, just kiddin bro
Thats why a child is a child and an adult is an adult.What if some one make a hole in the bag and all of the balls are gone what will you pick out from the bag than a white or a red ball ?
You are excused but the probability is still a probability likeliwood of something happening for which conditions are necessary. If condition changes the probability will seaze to exist.
what did your god do to you?, did he just created you then left you alone?
Well my God left me with a conscience which is a guidence for me to live my life.
Did your god create the earth?, and if so, did he tell you that in a book that he sent you?
My God has left me with undenible signs .I feel love but i cant see it or measure it.Do you need a book to learn what is love.In the same way i feel God but i cannot see that God or touch that God but still i know that there is a God.
When you answer these questions, I will take your god seriously
For me its enough that i believe and i don,t need to force it on any one.
Now regarding the required belief alonge with the good deeds
Well if you think this is injustice then bad luck, what are we going to do if our god is really unjust god and he is just playin with us?, can you do anything about it if it is the case?, please let me know if you can do something about it when you discover that so i will try and do it with ya but I'm sure whatever it is, it will fail. aren't we dealing with a God?
If the God is unjust than what can i do but the problem is we all are left with wealth of love and compassion which increase when you spend it .When you explore this wealth than you have peace of mind and a peacfull soul can go through any ordeal.
which god first?
For me Allah ,Eswar,Khuda etc etc is name of the same God regardless of what they literally means.
that is the manipulation the similar like you keep blabbering it, this is in fact not true at all, it is just a lie, because satan can?t be blamed as the Quran told us, see, Allah told us the truth in advance
Good for you but do you really need a book to learn about that.
I believe Allah described the test we are taking now as a competition indeed, I need to win to save my arse if you don't mind
Good luck than.
not sure if it is the same belief really, are you sucking at my belief?, just kiddin again
bro, you are free to believe in what you want but that does not mean I should not convey the message to you, especially if the message is not from me, it is like thanks but no thanks from your end,
Well at least i said thanks.
Of course man, I want to win according to Allah guidance sent to us, but my winning is simply avoiding hell, I was never really looking forward to the garden neither to sleeping with hoor eins in there, I fear God with every single atom in my body that He created and consequently I can?t imagine myself burning in hell for eternity, I love Him very much though, because "at least" of the followings
- He is not going to throw the people He created in Hell regardless while He can do this easily
- He told me exactly what He is going to do with me if I do whatever
- He promised me with mercy for my sins if I believed in Him and not insist on the sin
- He promised me with some other unbelievable rewards
- And He sent me the guidance in a book to help me through this struggle of a very tough test
So why I should reject Him and loose?
I will be a dumb bum if I do
Salam
Well i was just discussing things to share thoughts but not to stop you from doing good if you think you need fear to do good well than i,m not going to stop you. Atleast you are trying to get the best out of Quran .
Best of luck.
Peace
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oh yeh he was a very good jew, he created the atomic bomb that killed thousands and thousands of innocent humans
he must be in heaven now
And his creation electrcity has save the lives of million and millions and improve the lives of million and millions.This Jew benefited every one regardless of religion ethinicty and creed.
not sure if he invented electricity, but again, if I kill 1000 innocnet people and give money to another 1000 people, would that make me a good man?
a typical atheist statement, nothing new really, sorry
A typical Islamic statement ,nothing new really,sorry.
A typical atheist reply to my typical islamic reply, nothing really new lol
a baseless and unfounded statement, Allah created thel anguages and it is up to Him to choose which one to use to send His messages, and I?m sure He used more than one language for His consistant messages to humanity that were sealed by the Arabic Quran
Unfortunatlly almighty was unable to protect those messages and was only able to protect the Arabic one as Muslim claims yet there is Hafs and Warsh versions to disqualify that claim.
Excuse me the Almighty gave the humans the responsibilty to protect the first scriptures but they failed drastically, therefore Allah took charge in reserving the last message, it is not like He was taken by a surprise, lol , no, no, it was all part of His plan to give us a lesson, that lesson is simply "humans can get flawed with ease", the creation of Adam and Eve story is similar, that one has a great lesson according to His mighty plan as well
For the sex issue, yeh you are right, the corrupt Bible discriminate between men and woman for no logical reason, now show me how the Quran did the same, I can show you how the bible did it and I?m sure you will agree, now I?m not saying that the bible "as is now" is the true inspiration of God, in fact it is not after it got corrupted by sick humans
Why should i care about Bible.Quran and Bible looks same to me alot of illogicall things combine with some good thoughts.
at least to have an idea about the good thoughts, don't tell me you have read them thoroughly though?
About the discrimination b/n man n woman in Quran certainly i will show you some proof .
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YUSUFALI Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.004.034
YUSUFALI Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance) For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).There are other verses too but for the time being i think you should take care of the above verses.
excuse me bro, can you do it professionally at least?
what do you want me to respond to exactly?
can you explain the verses above to me and show me where you think the discrimination is?
yeh right, the man made god you made according to your own desires, well, what you are going to say to the real God when He hold you responsible for your belief?, I mean if it comes true, you know the theory of propability still give it a chance logically speaking
but I know what you will say
?I?m guilty my God, is there is a way out?
Ok i,m still better even if i made God according to my own desires unlike you who belives on a God created on the desire of a person who lived 1400 years ago.
again, a basless statement with no concrete proofs to support it, i really hate it when i discuss matters with those who can't back up what they bloody say, I end up calling them big mouth
now can you please prove to me that the God of the Quran is created by man?, i.e. can you prove to me that the Quran is created by man?
thanks
if you laughed, I guess you should thank me for making you laugh
if you cried, then you have to take what I said very serious indeed
Ok i will prefer to laugh thanks for that.
no worries, but I'm sure if you continue to discuss matters with me, i will make you laugh a lot lol
excuse me, the probability is 100% correct, if you have a bag with red ball and a white ball in it
what is your bloody chance to randomly pick the red ball?
A child will answer 50%
Not sure mate, did you go to school or you left early as many western kids do?, just kiddin bro
Thats why a child is a child and an adult is an adult.What if some one make a hole in the bag and all of the balls are gone what will you pick out from the bag than a white or a red ball ?
lol
i have to say that was clever, but you missed the point mister shifty lol
no cheating please
You are excused but the probability is still a probability likeliwood of something happening for which conditions are necessary. If condition changes the probability will seaze to exist.
elboratin please, no, don't worry, i got you, you mean like making a hole in the bag which has changed the conditions, fine bro, let's apply propability again, we have 2 chances based on 2 chances
we start with the propbability of you making a hole or not which has to be 50 50
and we have another probabilty of 50% to pick the red ball
the final propability will be
1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4 = 25% to pick the red ball
so how probability failed exactly? it only decreased the odds bro, and my odd is still better than yours for sure
what did your god do to you?, did he just created you then left you alone?
Well my God left me with a conscience which is a guidence for me to live my life.
yeh that is according to your chemical reactions, see, this is called your desires, sometimes these desires are low btw
Did your god create the earth?, and if so, did he tell you that in a book that he sent you?
My God has left me with undenible signs .
come on bro, we can't make the signs for ourselves, otherwise we will end with as many gods as humans on earth
I feel love but i cant see it or measure it.Do you need a book to learn what is love.
great and I'm sure you do and most people do, only the very low humans don't, and sure we don't need a book to know what love is, it is in our instincts and even in the animals instincts, that is something the true God inserted in us when He created us, we only need a book to know that God not to know love, that God will hold the ones who cause mischief on earth responsible, what your god is going to do to those who make mischief on earth and don't love others?
In the same way i feel God but i cannot see that God or touch that God but still i know that there is a God.
that is another instinct inserted in us, like love exactly, now, God does not want us to leave it to our own desires and He is telling us who He is exactly, life goes on the same for me and you, we love each other and we believe in the true God, not gods i make and you make for ourselves
When you answer these questions, I will take your god seriously
For me its enough that i believe and i don,t need to force it on any one.
likewise here bro, i don't force it on others, but at least you should tell others the message of your god, unless you concede that your god is a self made god according to your own desires and hence it can't be a message for others
Now regarding the required belief alonge with the good deeds
Well if you think this is injustice then bad luck, what are we going to do if our god is really unjust god and he is just playin with us?, can you do anything about it if it is the case?, please let me know if you can do something about it when you discover that so i will try and do it with ya but I'm sure whatever it is, it will fail. aren't we dealing with a God?
If the God is unjust than what can i do
exactly, neither me can do anything either nor anyone for that matter, He is a God, not a weak human
but the problem is we all are left with wealth of love and compassion which increase when you spend it .When you explore this wealth than you have peace of mind and a peacfull soul can go through any ordeal.
That is one of the things the true God told us about, see, you are really a loser because your life will be just the same when you believe in the true God, you already know all the true instincts inserted in us, now it is your onus to know the true God, but don't escacpe into the simple illsuon of self made gods as many humans do
which god first?
For me Allah ,Eswar,Khuda etc etc is name of the same God regardless of what they literally means.
see, you already have the instinct, now you need to put things together to bed, this is just an advice, nothing more
that is the manipulation the similar like you keep blabbering it, this is in fact not true at all, it is just a lie, because satan can?t be blamed as the Quran told us, see, Allah told us the truth in advance
Good for you but do you really need a book to learn about that.
for the existance of satan and his progney, yes I needed a book because I can't see them for real, now God confirmed to me where this evil comes from and how I should avoid it, in addition to I need a book to know the true God, but I agree that the book must be proven first that it can't be by a man, and if proven then it has to be by what it claims about itsself
it is like me an you in a pub and someone found 100 bucks, then shouted who lost money?, only one person from the pub came forward and said it is my money, therefore it has to be his, if more than one claimed to own the money then we have a problem, so please prove to me who else claimed to have authorised the content of the Quran?
I believe Allah described the test we are taking now as a competition indeed, I need to win to save my arse if you don't mind
Good luck than.
Likwise, we are all equal in this very tough test incured on all of us
not sure if it is the same belief really, are you sucking at my belief?, just kiddin again
bro, you are free to believe in what you want but that does not mean I should not convey the message to you, especially if the message is not from me, it is like thanks but no thanks from your end,
Well at least i said thanks.
my pleasure
Of course man, I want to win according to Allah guidance sent to us, but my winning is simply avoiding hell, I was never really looking forward to the garden neither to sleeping with hoor eins in there, I fear God with every single atom in my body that He created and consequently I can?t imagine myself burning in hell for eternity, I love Him very much though, because "at least" of the followings
- He is not going to throw the people He created in Hell regardless while He can do this easily
- He told me exactly what He is going to do with me if I do whatever
- He promised me with mercy for my sins if I believed in Him and not insist on the sin
- He promised me with some other unbelievable rewards
- And He sent me the guidance in a book to help me through this struggle of a very tough test
So why I should reject Him and loose?
I will be a dumb bum if I do
Salam
Well i was just discussing things to share thoughts but not to stop you from doing good if you think you need fear to do good well than i,m not going to stop you. Atleast you are trying to get the best out of Quran .
Best of luck.
Peace
thanks bro and I was doing the exact same, discussing things and share thoughts, at least with you i found it interesting than with others
Salam be with you
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Dear bro "AB? and "Naxus?
I have seen your argument bro ?AB? and your missing the point all the time. You yourself said that the Quran is proven by its miraculous Arabic language, so why didn?t you just make that point to ?Naxus? and explain your position? As ive said before on the forum, once a book is proven to be true, we can rely on what it tells us even if we do not understand it as yet. An example would be 2130 in the Quran. People like ?Naxus? in the past would have said ?WHAT? Heavens and he earth were one unit before? HA HA HA, what irrationality?? and yet here we have the scientific evidenc today that it happened. At least this should have awakened ?Naxus? to think that this Quran has a HIGH PROBABILITY of being correct but the ignorance continues. Moreover GOD has released another proof, the mathematical pattern based on no. 19, in 1974, to boost the faith of the believers and to prove to the disbelievers that this Quran is really the word of GOD. By rigorously applying the scitnfic method bros Edip Yuksel, Bahman, Richard Voss (Phd), myself and others have come to the conclusion that this pattern is way too much to be a coincidence or to have been put their by humans. Thus with proof we now believe the Quran is true and this gives us the benefit to perhaps even derive things from it which are yet unknown but may soon prove themselves to be true in the future. If we would work on the information from Quran beforehand instead of ignoring it we may just GW make a breakthrough discovery sometime in the future. But if we keep trying to interpret the Quran allegorically or don?t trust it at all in certain verses we may NEVER PROSPER and those big scientists would overrun us while we would be totally dependant on them. GOD Bless! -
Dear bro "AB? and "Naxus?
Peace bro
I have seen your argument bro ?AB? and your missing the point all the time.
sorry bro, i'm not sure which point i was missing?
You yourself said that the Quran is proven by its miraculous Arabic language, so why didn?t you just make that point to ?Naxus? and explain your position?
ok that is what i was missing then lol
mate, i was not debating this issue from the first place, i was just having a friendly discussion with him, i hardly debate the existance of Allah or the Quran is the word of Allah any more unless there is a challenge but i could ont see any, just the old used by date ranting and i'm sick of it, i made my point exlai ing my position and that was all
regarding discussing the superiority of the Arabic langugae in the Quran, I can only do this with at least a native arabic speaker, to do with anyone else it will be a waste of both times, but this is not somethin i'm interested in anyway bro
As ive said before on the forum, once a book is proven to be true, we can rely on what it tells us even if we do not understand it as yet. An example would be 2130 in the Quran. People like ?Naxus? in the past would have said ?WHAT? Heavens and he earth were one unit before? HA HA HA, what irrationality?? and yet here we have the scientific evidenc today that it happened. At least this should have awakened ?Naxus? to think that this Quran has a HIGH PROBABILITY of being correct but the ignorance continues. Moreover GOD has released another proof, the mathematical pattern based on no. 19, in 1974, to boost the faith of the believers and to prove to the disbelievers that this Quran is really the word of GOD.
here we go bro, this is something i would like to discuss and debate if required, how about you convince me slowly that 7431 really means a scientific miracle based on the 19 number and not a fitnah to those who follow it?
if you agree, i will be glad to make rules and judges in advance with you to control the discussion if you prefer,
By rigorously applying the scitnfic method bros Edip Yuksel, Bahman, Richard Voss (Phd), myself and others have come to the conclusion that this pattern is way too much to be a coincidence or to have been put their by humans.
come on bro, i can show a pattern of number 1 in the quran, and i can also show a pattern of number 2, but again why not this was planned by Allah to be a fitnah to the ones who believe in code 19?, i guess we have only sura 74 to tell us as such or the contrary, and i hope you can answer all my questions regarding 7431 and any related verses
Thus with proof we now believe the Quran is true and this gives us the benefit to perhaps even derive things from it which are yet unknown but may soon prove themselves to be true in the future. If we would work on the information from Quran beforehand instead of ignoring it we may just GW make a breakthrough discovery sometime in the future. But if we keep trying to interpret the Quran allegorically or don?t trust it at all in certain verses we may NEVER PROSPER and those big scientists would overrun us while we would be totally dependant on them. GOD Bless!
erxcuse me bro, the Quran is a reminder not a book we spend pur times counting letters, words and whatever
i'm not sure if rashad khalifa spent really time studying the wisdom in it rather to bloody count, this is rediculous man
let's work on 7431 please and convince me if you can, while I admit that it is not your onus but mine, therefore i should put it in other words, help me if you can but by only using logic
Salam bro
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Peace "AB",
erxcuse me bro, the Quran is a reminder not a book we spend pur times counting letters, words and whatever
JK- Did i ever make such a statement. Thats only to get the proof that it is from GOD. Once we have that we can rely on everything it says and thats exactly what weve done.
i'm not sure if rashad khalifa spent really time studying the wisdom in it rather to bloody count, this is rediculous man
JK- If your not sure then just goto www.submissiontv.com and view the clips "The Great Debate Parts A&B" and youll see that RK talks about 90% about the Quran and what it says and only about 10% of code-19 in the last session and that even on demand. So please, no prejudice.
let's work on 7431 please and convince me if you can, while I admit that it is not your onus but mine, therefore i should put it in other words, help me if you can but by only using logic
Salam bro
JK- 7431 can be understood in TWO ways but in my view and many others it doesnt make sense that "the fitnah/trial of the number 19 made the believers increase in faith or convinced the Jews and Christians" while "the number 19 DID INDEED increase the believers' faith, like in my case, and bro Edip knows some Christians and Jews who were convinced based on this nos pattern and so was bro Bahman, a former atheist". So using the facts and logic, the 2nd understanding makes more sense. Btw your claiming that you can make a pattern based on nos 17, 13, etc shows that youve not understood the complete picture of the interlocks. Please read
"Intelligent People's guide to code-19" at www.19.org
GOD Bless! -
Peace "AB",
JK- If your not sure then just goto www.submissiontv.com and view the clips "The Great Debate Parts A&B" and youll see that RK talks about 90% about the Quran and what it says and only about 10% of code-19 in the last session and that even on demand. So please, no prejudice.
Peace bro
I watched many of his videos man, but sorry could not buy the 19 thingy though, but i bought some of the things he said so no prejudice here
JK- 7431 can be understood in TWO ways but in my view and many others it doesnt make sense that "the fitnah/trial of the number 19 made the believers increase in faith or convinced the Jews and Christians" while "the number 19 DID INDEED increase the believers' faith, like in my case, and bro Edip knows some Christians and Jews who were convinced based on this nos pattern and so was bro Bahman, a former atheist". So using the facts and logic, the 2nd understanding makes more sense. Btw your claiming that you can make a pattern based on nos 17, 13, etc shows that youve not understood the complete picture of the interlocks. Please read
"Intelligent People's guide to code-19" at www.19.org
GOD Bless!Here is the verse just to follow you
And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth Allah intend by this?" Thus doth Allah leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than a warning to mankind.
(31)
Without referring to the history records about what the prophet and others said regarding this verse, I see as follow
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specifying the number of the hell angels can be a fitnah to the Kuffar, i.e. it can be about the 19 code advocates themselves , no offence here
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Alazeen Autu Al Kitab, can be any one who received a book from Allah, i.e. Christians, Jews and Muslims, possibly others, the people who were given a book does not really mean that they are believers rather I see the ones who yet to make up their minds, Alazeen Amanu can be referring to anyone from Alazeen Autu Al Kitab but made up their minds and believed
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Specifying the number of the hell angels can be a confirmation to Alazeen Autu Al Kitab (Yet to make up their minds) so they can then believe and become Alazeen Amanu the donlt donbt, the assurance is seeing the prophecy of the fitnah came to pass when the Kuffar suggested that this is a miracle and tried to manipulate Allah words by removing verses from the Quran to suit their fitnah "this is enough to earn them the title Kuffar"
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same with Alzeen Amanu, the doubt will not come to them after seeing the fitnah of number 19 came to pass through the 19 code advocates
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The people who are sick in the heart will reject both sides and will insist that it is not a fitnah nor a miracle
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The Kuffar wondered already about that Mathal by Allah and asked themselves what that mathal means? then made up a whole new concept based on the number 19, and in the process they had to manipulate Allah words which is enough to classify them as Kuffar, a kafir is one who belives in Allah but disobey and lie about Him, exactly like Satan, Satan was a kafir not a Mushrik
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, ? none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He? this bit in the verse indicates that the dispute was how many they are compared to another group, not really why they are 19, which confirms the history records regarding what happened back then when this verse was released
and finally, , ?this is no other than a warning to mankind?, this bit also confirms that it is not about the miracle rather about the hell fire, because code 19 can?t be a reminder to all humanity because prior to 1974 no one knows about it, while prior to 1974 most humans who received a book knew about hell and was a warning to them,
as you can see I stayed as literal as possible
Peace
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