Quran - The Word of God or Man.
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Peace alpha97. Your first point i can about agree with. The second point needs more evidence. As an example many christians(even from different sects) believe in jesus rising from the dead physically(or the virgin birth.) but this does not make it true.
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Peace enquirer,
1- More can not be offered than this! regarding the originality of this book, as it was 1400 years ago, maybe till several hundered years ago, but not to its revelation time.
2- My Faith is first in GOD and that brings me across scriptuers.
I believe that HE only can guide and HE will do that after one gets straight from inside. HE will not guide you by reading or believing a book.Once on the right path, one would not need to know the source of a saying but its contents to relate to it.
My belief in Quran is because it helps me to get close and serve GOD. SO I do not believe in GOD because Quran says.
I do not believe in believing!! NOT in a long run. IT starts with believing, but it should illuminate into FAITH, otherwise as Quran says it would look like a donkey carrying a masterpiece on his back.
peace,
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Peace alpha97. Yes,i agree with that analysis. Excellent post.
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Ahmed, no need to flutter and grunt, making a mish-mash of discussion when confronted with questions that shake you up.
Haha my firend, questions that shake me up, a 13 years old true believer will be able to answer these questions
the point is, i choose when and what questions I answere in a sort of a discussion manner, debating is different to me and it seems you can't handle it
now i chose not to discuss it with you rather to debate it with you under these conditions, other than that bro you can keep slamming your head on the wall
Your deceptive tactics to avoid rebutting is being exposed once again, in much the same manner as you did in "al salatu al wusta" topic and here in this thread as well.
well, it was you that was exposed, I showed everyone that you even don't know the simplest thing in Arabic and that simple thing is called "Al" which means "The" in english
you were the one who ran away after your ignornace been exposed indeed
And this is the reason I didn't proceed any further. You don't seem to have the apptitute to debate in an ethical manner,
Haha, look who is talking, i have seen your ethical manner in discussion very well in action, who you are trying to fool?
certainly not me lol
so much for your blind beliefs and wishy-washy claims. Please get to work on the following without being hasty and getting sidetracked. Think and take all your time for my "horses are held"
back again to the blind belief, well i showed well and truly that i only talk by the Quran, this blind faith is simply a Danish made up BS
Question How do YOU know that the Quran that we have today, a book that was written 1400+ years ago by "MAN", is the exact Word of GOD providing evidence from beyond what is written in the book itself? If you bring about verses from within the book itself to support your preconceived notions written by "MAN", then you will fail miserably.
i will only debate the arrogant under the conditions i stated, i only discuss the quran with the ones who want to learn it and possibly i learn from them too, but you don't belong to those ones any more, because you promote lies about the Quran and sure you will incur a greive punishment from the Author of the Quran
Now refute these links and I shall respond
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http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5177&start=25
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http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=79504&highlight=#79504
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http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=79403&highlight=#79403
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http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=78188&highlight=#78188
I will have a look at it to see how smart you are, but my stand is firm you want to get involve with me in a Quran debate then IT HAS to be under the conditions I stated, other than that I will never answer your cries lol
Cheers
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Ahmed, no need to flutter and grunt, making a mish-mash of discussion when confronted with questions that shake you up.
Haha, my firend, questions that shake me up, a 13 years old true believer will be abloe to answer these questions
the point is, i chose when and what question I answered in a sort of a discussion manner, debating is different and it seems you can't handle it
now i chose not to discuss it with you rather to debate it with you under these conditions, other than that bro you can keep slamming your head on the wall
Your deceptive tactics to avoid rebutting is being exposed once again, in much the same manner as you did in "al salatu al wusta" topic and here in this thread as well.
well, it was you that was exposed, I showed everyone that you even donlt know the simples thing in Arabic and that simple thing call "Al" which means "The" in english
you were the one who ran away after your ignornac ebing exposed indeed
And this is the reason I didn't proceed any further. You don't seem to have the apptitute to debate in an ethical manner,
Haha, look he is talking, i have see your ethical manner in discussion in action, who you are trying to fool?
certainly not me lol
so much for your blind beliefs and wishy-washy claims. Please get to work on the following without being hasty and getting sidetracked. Think and take all your time for my "horses are held"
back again to the blind belief, well i showed well and truly that i only talk by the Quran, thisblind faith is simply a Danish made up BS
Question How do YOU know that the Quran that we have today, a book that was written 1400+ years ago by "MAN", is the exact Word of GOD providing evidence from beyond what is written in the book itself? If you bring about verses from within the book itself to support your preconceived notions written by "MAN", then you will fail miserably.
i will only debate the arrogant under the conditions i stated, i only discuss the quran witrh the ones who want to learn it, but you don't belong to those ones any more, because you promote lies about the Quran and sure you will incur a greive punishment from the Author of the Quran
Now refute these links and I shall respond
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http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5177&start=25
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http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=79504&highlight=#79504
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http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=79403&highlight=#79403
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http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=78188&highlight=#78188
I will have a look at it to see how smart you are, but my stand is firm you want to get involve with me in a Quran debate then IT HAS to be under the conditions I stated, other than that I will never answer your cries lol
Cheers
More grunts and bickering, nothing substantial. Get to work dude as there's plenty more to come. This is just the beginning and you're already loosing grounds.
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peace all
danish wrote
Much of what the Quran advocates has already been revealed in previous books, the events of which took place millenniums ago. As I mentioned earlier, all we can do is take note of it, reflect upon it and use it to understand our own current paths, just like zillion other spiritual and inspirational books, poetry/poems, movies, songs, sayings, etc. that touch are hearts. Most importantly, the reality/nature and all that is seen, heard and witnessed first hand, speak of itself as its truest and purest form in real life situations and what better way to understand, contemplate, reason, learn and act upon as such in order to lead a good life.
i agree.
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enquirer wrote
Peace danish and all. I sympathise with your analysis danish. But i take consolation that although the quran can be used to cause harm,some muslims take some benefit from it. Taking a metaphorical and/or mystic approach to its words can help some people. But i do agree that the logic in saying the quran is infallible is circular and plainly not true. The verses you highlighted are a sample of the inconsistencies,if we were to be truely open-minded we would discover many others. It seems we have to resort to limbo-dancing and mental gymnastics to make the quran free from inconsistencies. I feel that people are scared that if they found the quran to be truth mixed with error that their faith and/or morals would collapse.I feel we are clinging to the quran too blindly.(how can the quran be perfect when only god is supposed to be perfect according to the quran?). I have let go of my previous belief that the quran was infallible and i feel my knowledge and morals are much improved as a direct result. Knowledge and morals can be found in the quran,torah,bible,bhagvad gita,canon pali,the sun newspaper,reuters etc.. and more importantly in life-experience. However this knowledge has to be verified(rational) and should cause a decrease in human suffering. Niestchze said; 'what is the point of knowledge which brings no human benefit'? The qurans usefulness to any person can be gauged by the readers behaviour changing for the better.
Peace all.good analysis.
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More grunts and bickering, nothing substantial. Get to work dude as there's plenty more to come. This is just the beginning and you're already loosing grounds.
If this is how you want to understand my position, fine, but you have to know that for the last 2 years or so i was doing all these childish debates and sure me and the others stood firm to their position, while the two position are contradictory indeed, therefore i concluded that debating without rules and judges is just a child play and i'm not a child anymore,
see, when the nominees for the us presidential poistion debate together, they must have judges and rules, also when ahmed deedat was debating christians, judges and rules must be in place
the requirement of judges and rules is simply to govern me and you being biased to ourselve which certainly will be the case
therefore the rules and judges will eliminate this human nature thingy and will force the debate to be brief, constructive respectful and honest
we will all be biased to the truth under these conditions especially oath will be taken by all involved
that is why i will not waste my time any more, i'd rather spend it answering questions to those who want to learn the Arabic Quran
but as you know that i always reserve my right to add a comment to the public to any thread that I see from my perspective that is misleading delibertly or not about the Quran and i'm sure the others do the same to me, so we are even and no one should be upset
salam
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Peace Ahmed and all,
If this is how you want to understand my position, fine, but you have to know that for the last 2 years or so i was doing all these childish debates and sure me and the others stood firm to their position, while the two position are contradictory indeed, therefore i concluded that debating without rules and judges is just a child play and i'm not a child anymore,
I?m afraid to say that you still continue to debate and discuss matters childishly. By now, the answers to my questions should have been stated, with or without the rules and jurors, as is already the case; rather than debating over rules and judges; nevertheless, lets continue.
see, when the nominees for the us presidential poistion debate together, they must have judges and rules, also when ahmed deedat was debating christians, judges and rules must be in place
the requirement of judges and rules is simply to govern me and you being biased to ourselve which certainly will be the case
therefore the rules and judges will eliminate this human nature thingy and will force the debate to be brief, constructive respectful and honest
When agreed, the jurors will be all members of this site as ONE parliament or cabinet equally equipped and swift to respond to any suspicious activity as deemed fit. The suspicious activity can be further defined and considered. The majority of the juror?s decision will prevail. Better yet, we can request the members who would like to partake in jury duty at the end of each unconcluded questionnaire to resolve the issues and thereby accept their final judgment, WILLINGLY, rather than pick-n-choose them as per your agendas.
we will all be biased to the truth under these conditions especially oath will be taken by all involved
Oath is not necessary, as our posts will be widely exposed for everyone to witness. Besides, it is our duty to be constructive, respectful and candid in the first place. Isn?t this the reason for what we are here for? Your shaky grounds displays your weakness. But if you insist, we will take the oath as set by the jurors, fairly and squarely, OKay?
that is why i will not waste my time any more, i'd rather spend it answering questions to those who want to learn the Arabic Quran
Everyone here is learning and educating themselves by various thoughts poured in, with or within and without or beyond the Quran, including you. You cannot force or boast your teachings of Quran, whether it pertains to Arabic linguistics or underlying preconceived understanding of the verses or passages thereof, onto anyone the Taliban style. Looking at it realistically, there are people out there TODAY that are much better equipped with intelligence and wisdom than you and me, both in linguistics and spirituality, regardless of what the Quran confessed to the individual BACK THEN.
but as you know that i always reserve my right to add a comment to the public to any thread that I see from my perspective that is misleading delibertly or not about the Quran and i'm sure the others do the same to me, so we are even and no one should be upset
The discussion must adhere to systematic, consistent, coherent and unreservedly (meaning openness, expressed and relevant to subject matter). Deliberations must be enhanced and supported by examples and evidences, not superfluous, canny and futile bearings irrelevant of purpose.
Do we agree? If no, please elaborate. If yes, then let?s start with jurors. If anyone else wishes to add or modify the relevancy of this discussion, please come forward and state your reasons. Thanks.
Please bear in mind, that the discussion between Ahmed and myself, will be on the topic of this thread and the questions/links already put forth to begin with, which can be discussed/debated one at a time.
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Peace Ahmed and all,
Peace danish and all
If this is how you want to understand my position, fine, but you have to know that for the last 2 years or so i was doing all these childish debates and sure me and the others stood firm to their position, while the two position are contradictory indeed, therefore i concluded that debating without rules and judges is just a child play and i'm not a child anymore,
I?m afraid to say that you still continue to debate and discuss matters childishly.
oh please, as if i'm the only one who is doing, but i'm sure my commenst still interesting to read, in fact i found it interetsing for myself and always say how the hell i wrote that lol
if children act inestinctivly then fine, i'm a child, at least this will give me the merit for you to consider my innocence, you know the incconece of te children
By now, the answers to my questions should have been stated,
sorry, what right entitle you to say by now the answers to your questions should be stated?
with or without the rules and jurors,
it has to be with the jurors, if you want to call them as such and because the don't exist yet, why i have to prepare answers to your questioins?
as is already the case; rather than debating over rules and judges; nevertheless, lets continue.
let's consider it a change, agree?
see, when the nominees for the us presidential poistion debate together, they must have judges and rules, also when ahmed deedat was debating christians, judges and rules must be in place
the requirement of judges and rules is simply to govern me and you being biased to ourselve which certainly will be the case
therefore the rules and judges will eliminate this human nature thingy and will force the debate to be brief, constructive respectful and honest
When agreed, the jurors will be all members of this site as ONE parliament or cabinet equally equipped and swift to respond to any suspicious activity as deemed fit. The suspicious activity can be further defined and considered. The majority of the juror?s decision will prevail. Better yet, we can request the members who would like to partake in jury duty at the end of each unconcluded questionnaire to resolve the issues and thereby accept their final judgment, WILLINGLY, rather than pick-n-choose them as per your agendas.
fine, i'm very flexable when it comes to creating rules and policies
we will all be biased to the truth under these conditions especially oath will be taken by all involved
Oath is not necessary,
no, it is a MUST, because we are going to discuss somthing that relates to Allah, and even if it does not, this is important to scare everyone from what they are going to say so they think about enough before they say it.
as our posts will be widely exposed for everyone to witness.
that is why oath is required, i donlt want to get into these used by dates sort of debates, you know like Ali Snile and many others, i passed that level already and sure i'm sick and tired of it, when there is rules and judges or juroros at least you won't see me debating childishly as you are trying to accuse me, becayuse i will respect, and honr bothe the judges or jurors and the rules in place
Besides, it is our duty to be constructive, respectful and candid in the first place.
well, most of the times it never go this way, too much arrogance in each one of us, and i believe this arrogance is being exploited by Satan and his progeny
Isn?t this the reason for what we are here for?
yeh for the truth, but as you know practical life is something else than hopes, wishes and dreams
Your shaky grounds displays your weakness.
lol
i believe you will never have a firmer ground than the one i'm standing on, while i wish you good luck to find the truth
But if you insist,
of course i insist
we will take the oath as set by the jurors, fairly and squarely, OKay?
100% agree, but i suggest that me and you also have some input in the Oath?
that is why i will not waste my time any more, i'd rather spend it answering questions to those who want to learn the Arabic Quran
Everyone here is learning and educating themselves by various thoughts poured in, with or within and without or beyond the Quran,
yep, i know that
including you.
yep, i know that
You cannot force or boast your teachings of Quran,
now i have a problem with the above
firstly you are right that i can't force it, but how i did force it, can you give me some real examples?, now i know you will find none, but can you please now give me an unreal example, like a metaphor in how i can do it
I also have a problem with the words "My Teachings", because i donlt invent indeed, my position as everyone knows that i explain the Quran as literal as it can be, this mean, i'm controlled and limitted to the literal meaning that i didn't invent from the first place
so to say such thing is baseless and unfounded, there are many others here who force non sense regarding many vital things in the religion and ironically they use some archelogical or whatever things that they call evidences while the Quran should be the only evidence as they ironically boast
again you have no point, if you are considering expainling the literal Quran as boasting a teaching, then it is boasting the teaching of the literal Quran not my teaching, my walkthrough is only logical thoughts based on the literal meaning
whether it pertains to Arabic linguistics or underlying preconceived understanding of the verses or passages thereof, onto anyone the Taliban style. Looking at it realistically, there are people out there TODAY that are much better equipped with intelligence and wisdom than you and me, both in linguistics and spirituality, regardless of what the Quran confessed to the individual BACK THEN.
unrelated to our discussion and sorry i ignored it
but as you know that i always reserve my right to add a comment to the public to any thread that I see from my perspective that is misleading delibertly or not about the Quran and i'm sure the others do the same to me, so we are even and no one should be upset
The discussion must adhere to systematic, consistent, coherent and unreservedly (meaning openness, expressed and relevant to subject matter).
as long as it is based on common sense and not things from another planet
Deliberations must be enhanced and supported by examples and evidences, not superfluous, canny and futile bearings irrelevant of purpose.
Do we agree?
I agree on many of the things you said especially the last part, i guess i only diagreed about the Oath
If no, please elaborate. If yes, then let?s start with jurors. If anyone else wishes to add or modify the relevancy of this discussion, please come forward and state your reasons. Thanks.
we need to know how manny Jurors should be appointed, i guess an odd number is the way to go, like 3,5,7, etc
Please bear in mind, that the discussion between Ahmed and myself, will be on the topic of this thread and the questions/links already put forth to begin with, which can be discussed/debated one at a time.
Salam danish
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that is why oath is required, i donlt want to get into these used by dates sort of debates, you know like Ali Snile and many others, i passed that level already and sure i'm sick and tired of it, when there is rules and judges or juroros at least you won't see me debating childishly as you are trying to accuse me, becayuse i will respect, and honr bothe the judges or jurors and the rules in place
Ah, Ali Sina the senile. If I recall correctly, I told you so a while back that he can't be beat and that you'll be "thrown out" in no time, but you insisted to challenge him and his evil cronies, and perhaps make at least one of them a "beliver". It seems that you were badly beaten up and your posts were mutilated by their members, hence your tiredness and sickness of debating with them.
http//www.faithfreedom.org/forum/search.php?search_author=AhmedBahgat
Comparing faithfreedom.org to free-minds.org for "oath & rule" driven discussions shows your lack of faith and beliefs in this forum as well. Then why are you here if you cannot discuss matters ethically, coherently and honestly. Didn't you mention that you were grown up and no longer a child's play? Then why the puerile statements. Rules of this forum, unlike faithfreedom, has already been denominted and you have nothing to fear. Let the jurors of this forum decide. It clearly shows that you are not confident in yourself, let alone the rules and judges of this forum and its members, because you keep bragging about it abstractively, deniably and boostfully.
Nevertheless, I'll take up the challenge YOUR way.
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that is why oath is required, i donlt want to get into these used by dates sort of debates, you know like Ali Snile and many others, i passed that level already and sure i'm sick and tired of it, when there is rules and judges or juroros at least you won't see me debating childishly as you are trying to accuse me, becayuse i will respect, and honr bothe the judges or jurors and the rules in place
Ah, Ali Sina the senile. If I recall correctly, I told you so a while back that he can't be beat and that you'll be "thrown out" in no time, but you insisted to challenge him and his evil cronies, and perhaps make at least one of them a "beliver". It seems that you were badly beaten up and your posts were mutilated by their members, hence your tiredness and sickness of debating with them.
http//www.faithfreedom.org/forum/search.php?search_author=AhmedBahgat
Comparing faithfreedom.org to free-minds.org for "oath & rule" driven discussions shows your lack of faith and beliefs in this forum as well. Then why are you here if you cannot discuss matters ethically, coherently and honestly. Didn't you mention that you were grown up and no longer a child's play? Then why the puerile statements. Rules of this forum, unlike faithfreedom, has already been denominted and you have nothing to fear. Let the jurors of this forum decide. It clearly shows that you are not confident in yourself, let alone the rules and judges of this forum and its members, because you keep bragging about it abstractively, deniably and boostfully.
Nevertheless, I'll take up the challenge YOUR way.
Lol Danish
I know Ali Snile ages ago, i read all his work btw, 75% of it is non sensible for sure and have no merit, it is actually a deliberate act of deception which he will pay for it dearly on the JD, i believe if he dies like that he will reside in the seventh hell, you know the bottom one, my rules in my book for my daily life is simple, with a clear cut enemy of Islam like him, do you think i will waste my time?, i'd rather watse it you with ya for now, at least i found you funny and i like your style, but i found snile very repetitive and boring indeed
I only went there to have some fun and intimidate them a bit, but only when i was bored, as i found 95% of them nothing but a bunch of kiddos and teens i told that already there, i hope you read it too, this is true bro, follow my posts there and you will see what i'm talking about, there is no doubt that many there knew me already and there is no doubt that i took attention when i joined even with my crappy posts in there, but i don't have time for them currently although and sure i'm having them on my sight
i hope you read my challenge to them in there?, in fact the moderator there tried politely to stop me from issuing that challenge, like you did first
but I'm glad you accepted my challenge but btw there is no $ 50K involved here
see, this alone proves that Snile is nothing but a joke
now you have to be aware that the rules i will ask for and both of us and the jurors must accept is going to be very strict my friend, therefore i guess you should start thinking about your very strict rules as well because i'm sure we will spend a lot of time negotiating them, are you a good negotiater by any chance?
cheers
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Peace all,
For a conclusive proof that the qur'aan can only be the word of Allah, please check out my article at the following link
THE QURAN IS THE WORD OF ALLAH
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Peace all,
Are these the words of God or man?
The use of why in the following verses confuses me, it gives me an impression ?NOT SURE? ? But God is all-knowing?-
WHY DO NOT THE LEARNED MEN AND THE DOCTORS OF LAW PROHIBIT THEM from their speaking of what is sinful and their eating of what is unlawfully acquired? Certainly evil is that which they work.
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WHY DID NOT THE BELIEVING MEN AND THE BELIEVING WOMEN, when you heard it, think well of their own people, and say This is an evident falsehood?
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WHY DID THEY NOT BRING FOUR WITNESSES OF IT? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah.
61 2. O you who believe! WHY DO YOU SAY THAT which you do not do?
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BUT WHY WERE THERE NOT AMONG THE GENERATIONS BEFORE YOU THOSE possessing understanding, who should have forbidden the making of mischief in the earth, except a few of those whom We delivered from among them? And those who were unjust went after what they are made to enjoy of plenty, and they were guilty.
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BUT WHY DO THEY COME TO THEE FOR DECISION, when they have (their own) law before them?- therein is the (plain) command of Allah; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) People of Faith.
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"These our people have taken for worship gods other than Him WHY DO THEY NOT BRING FORWARD AN AUTHORITY CLEAR (and convincing) for what they do? Who doth more wrong than such as invent a falsehood against Allah?
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Fight then in Allah's way; this is not imposed on you except In relation to yourself, and rouse the believers to ardor MAYBE ALLAH WILL RESTRAIN THE FIGHTING of those who disbelieve and Allah is strongest in prowess and strongest to give an exemplary punishment.
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WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.
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AND WHAT REASON HAVE YOU THAT YOU SHOULD NOT EAT of that on which Allah's name has been mentioned...
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And certainly We sent (messengers) to nations before you then We seized them with distress and affliction in order that they might humble themselves
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YET WHY DID THEY NOT, when Our punishment came to them, humble themselves? But their hearts hardened and the Shaitan made what they did fair-seeming to them.
66 1. O PROPHET! WHY DO YOU FORBID (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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WHY WAS THERE NOT A SINGLE TOWNSHIP (among those We warned), which believed,- so its faith should have profited it,- except the people of Jonah? When they believed, We removed from them the penalty of ignominy in the life of the present, and permitted them to enjoy (their life) for a while.
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AND WHAT REASON HAVE you that you should not fight in the way of Allah and of the weak among the men and the women and the children, (of) those who say Our Lord! cause us to go forth from this town, whose people are oppressors, and give us from Thee a guardian and give us from Thee a helper.
peace.
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peace alpha97,
HE is asking us why? so that we get aware of our motivation
He is trying to move our conscience? to seek the sens of right or wrong.
He is trying to motivate our faculty of reason to deliver a just explanation.thank you for your thoughts )
Peace.
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Peace all. The quran quotes phaoroh on some occasions,...is that the direct word of god? Is the direct word of god only available in arabic?
To me the quran is the words of muhammed.(or the person/s that thought of it.) He consulted his own higher-self(inner voice/conscience.) and wrote down his thoughts/verifications. I believe he wanted to benefit society as a whole...I believe he emphasised that you should return to your true nature,by continually verifying how to live your life peacefully from your own conscience while practising good deeds,.....,not blind customs,harmful deeds or irrational views.(ie idolatory,obsessional illogic,destructive behaviour.) In doing so he(as a human with limited knowledge,and confined in a specific time and context.) made some oversights,contradictions and mistakes...along with some profound truths....
I just find it sad that many are idolising/obsessing his words and views(including the mistakes.) ,rather than living a peaceful/rational life and continually verifying/updating the truth for themselves,in an open-minded/humble way..... Which,ironically, i think was the core of the message/profound truths he was trying to spread anyway.....
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Peace enquirer,
My view certainly differs from your point of view.
I believe that the whole existence is the transpiration of ONE HIGHER BEING. and This transpiration is growing and evolving in an accelerating rate.
I believe that what prophets received comes from HIM. And its function is to accelerate HIS manifestation plan.
HIS book of nature shows that HE loves to create in Multitude and his painting shows HIS intention IS to create HIGHER levels of consciouseness and LOVE. Since HE is infinitief beauty HIMSELF the manifestation will continue its ever growing evolution.
Did the woord of prophets which were received from HIM still intact? One should be sceptical before accepting them all as ORIGINAL. But this fact neither prevents me to read Quran or Ahadeeth or Bible or any other Divine book.
I believe that Values are an inborn gift of GOD to us. So one should not need to go far to verify the DIVINE word. But one need to get straight from inside to access this DIVINE gift.
peace.
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Peace alpha97. Expressing different views is fine,its the intention and behaviour that counts. D
Just a few points though... why does this one being allow evil,hate and suffering if its goal is to raise us to higher levels of love and conciousness?
Ie, who is in charge,this being or the ones who spread suffering in the earth? Do you think the nazis and terrorists are participating and growing in this growing evolution of love? What lessons do we learn from a single being that supposedly allows children to die of hunger,disease and war?
Is cancer the manifestation of the divine?
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Peace enquirer,
Good questions, and heavy ones to discuss them all at once, Let me start today with the cancer and later to other issues.
I am a believer in ETERNAL life, so DEATH in my view is a shear transformation. I do not see LIFE as a limited timespan and therefore any cause beyond our reach wich causes its termination is accepted. Understand me correctly LIFE is the preciouse time given to us to GROW our SOUL. It is NOT given to have a good time or to have a mighty long vacation. It HAS a purpose and then the transformation will come. How that will come, by natural death or cancer or... It will come. When the unavoidable death comes, I will celeberate it as the DIVINE moment, as the moment of birth was.
For Now
Peace,