Oracles

unknownuser

Peace all,

The context of 817 is battle with the rejecters. It does not refer at all to the events mentioned in 344.

TAJ

Peace Tanveer, Kyle, and All

Prophet Yunus participated in the arrow draw, aboard the ship, and lost and so by doing that had realized that it was him that Allah was after .
We, I mean the people here, do something not far from that. They call it Istikhara = And there are several ways of doing it,, using the Quran is one. The goal of it is to ask Allah for the right answer to their dilemma. There is one condition if you decide to do Istikhara = and that is to accept the answer and follow it even if you don't like it.. They use in marriage, to decide if the will-be-marriage partner is compatable or not, etc...
Have you heard of Istikhara = before?

unknownuser

Peace Taj,

Messengers have made mistakes, including Yunus. The fact that he took part in drawing lots does not mean that drawing lots is sanctioned by Allah. Why would Allah advise us to avoid it in 590 if it was sanctioned ?

Yes, I have heard of Istikhara, but isn't it according to the unverifiable traditions ? Does Allah allow it in al-qur'aan ?

savage_carrot

Peace,

Istikhara is strange and depending on where you are living, has different procedures. In Pakistan, my aunt told me to recite the 'quls' three times and then the 'fatiha', or some such before sleeping and I'll get a dream in which if I see a green light, it's all good and if red then I'm doomed if I persist. I chose to rely on my own good sense rather than on an infallible 'oracle'.

unknownuser

Peace SalikahDC. Nice to see another free-mind discovering the true god within. D

TAJ

Peace Tanveer,

Peace Taj,

Messengers have made mistakes, including Yunus. The fact that he took part in drawing lots does not mean that drawing lots is sanctioned by Allah. Why would Allah advise us to avoid it in 590 if it was sanctioned ?

Yunus did wrong when he did not deliver the message. And you are right. Drawing lots is not sanctioned by Allah, as that is how Yunus realized that Allah did not accept his withdrawal. So it is not sanctioned.
Regarding , I am not convinced that "Al Azlam" means lots. I need to ask my teachers about it.

Yes, I have heard of Istikhara, but isn't it according to the unverifiable traditions ? Does Allah allow it in al-qur'aan ?

I believe it is supported by Al Quran as it is part of asking Allah, as in Du3a'a. When you give charge to Allah over your matters .
There are many Ad3iyah (plural of Du3a'a) in Al Quran , and also to guide us to the straight path Surat #1 Al Fat7a Ihdinaa Al Ssira6a Al Mustaqeem...If you say it meaning it, Allah will lead you to the right way by "some" means..

unknownuser

Salam Taj, all,

Interesting observation!
In one of my trips to Africa, I think it was in Ivory Coast. I witnessed a "special" prayer to request a special favour from God theAll-Mighty to grant them rain as they were going through a long period without rain, and I was told at the time that this is a prayer of "istikhar"
Is the istikhar from "mussakhar" and "sakhar" like in verse 2164? or it is something else?
Many thanks in advance. Peace. Myr.

Peace Tanveer, Kyle, and All

Prophet Yunus participated in the arrow draw, aboard the ship, and lost and so by doing that had realized that it was him that Allah was after .
We, I mean the people here, do something not far from that. They call it Istikhara = And there are several ways of doing it,, using the Quran is one. The goal of it is to ask Allah for the right answer to their dilemma. There is one condition if you decide to do Istikhara = and that is to accept the answer and follow it even if you don't like it.. They use in marriage, to decide if the will-be-marriage partner is compatable or not, etc...
Have you heard of Istikhara = before?

unknownuser

Salam Taj, all,

Interesting observation!
In one of my trips to Africa, I think it was in Ivory Coast. I witnessed a "special" prayer to request a special favour from God theAll-Mighty to grant them rain as they were going through a long period without rain, and I was told at the time that this is a prayer of "istikhar"
Is the istikhar from "mussakhar" and "sakhar" like in verse 2164? or it is something else?
Many thanks in advance. Peace. Myr.

Peace Tanveer, Kyle, and All

Prophet Yunus participated in the arrow draw, aboard the ship, and lost and so by doing that had realized that it was him that Allah was after .
We, I mean the people here, do something not far from that. They call it Istikhara = And there are several ways of doing it,, using the Quran is one. The goal of it is to ask Allah for the right answer to their dilemma. There is one condition if you decide to do Istikhara = and that is to accept the answer and follow it even if you don't like it.. They use in marriage, to decide if the will-be-marriage partner is compatable or not, etc...
Have you heard of Istikhara = before?

Peace sister

this prayer for the rain is called Salat Al Istisqaa, not Istikhara

Istikhara means to seek guidance to help you make a choice between a few available choices and is not related to the word Musakhar which means forced into a specific action, like the earth is Musakhara to rotate around itself and around the sun

Peace

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Salikah and all,

Glad to see you here sister ;D Fantastic post. And yes, I guess I should have explained more in detail that the oracle is a temporary instument to tap into the inution we all already have within, but most will never reach that level.

Danish, yes, 817 is the verse I was referring to, thank you. The God controls the throw of the coins and the picking of the cards when you ask a question. Remember the God answers the call of his servants. Regardless of the context of the verse, it shows that it is not you who throws but WE throw.

One must however work with the Oracles to get further insight, we can talk all day about wether it is valid or not, thats just subjective, the proof is in the testing.

Whats interesting about Metu Neter Oracle is that the different energies have numbers , colors, days , times of the day, etc that correspond to each one and when certain things happen, you get a "signature" to help verify what has happened.

I have actually opened up a topic that requires a lot of background info, but if anyone is interested I can refer you to some books that will help.

Salikah, if you come across any Metu Neter decks, please let me know. I have one myself but I want another and so do a few of my friends.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Johhny K,

Make sure you are clean. Good to do after taking a shower/bath.

Get a cloth or some clean space to use.

Write your question down on a piece of paper

"Q- Please comment on my incarnation objective"

Then take the three coins, make sure you have designated a "heads and tails". Put them in your hands and cup them together so that the coins can shake loosely in your hands. Next drop them on the cloth or clean space. Write down the combination you get, I.E. 2 heads and one tail, 3 heads, 3 tails, 1 head and two tails.

You will do this for a total of six times.

Let me know your results and we can go from there.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you all,

I am not familiar with Istisqaa nor Istikhara.

unknownuser

Salam AhmedBahgat, all,

Many thanks for the clarification. Is al-istisqaa from yas'tasqa in verses 260 and 7160?

Peace sister

Yes, and as you can see it is related to gettin hold of water

Regarding al-istikhara issue, if my understanding is correct, is it then about making a decision based on a random choice (among others) by imploring God theAll-Mighty guidance?

yes

if this is the case, can we say this is similar to the sponsorship or kafalla of Maryam/Mary by Zakaria since the process described in Quran is random based on probabilities-)

not really, what happen with mariam was an argument to who should sponser her, Allah wanted Zakharia to be the one and caused it to happen, for them it was a mere random picking a pen out of many in one basket, "like lotto", it has nothing to do with seeking guiadance to an indvidual facing a few decisions, also salat al istikhara involves a physical prayer while what they did has nothing to do with Salat at all.

but God the All-Mighty made it in a way that the output is in Zakaria favour.

yes according to a plan, but Zakharia did not perform salat al istikhara to seek guidance to sponser her or not, HE WANTED TO SPONSER HER AS BAD AS ALL THE OTHERS WHO WANTED

After pondering, I think if my understanding of al-istikhara is correct, it does not contradict the wisdom in Quran as long as we acknowledge the Master of this game is the All-Mighty and not "chance" as such-).

I'm really not sure sister if you understand it correctly or not, but simply Istikhara relates to an individual not knowing what to do after facing a few choices, in mariam story however all the men wanted bad to sponser her, there was no Istikhara at all, what was done is similar to lotto, exacly like what happened to prophet Yunis

Peace be with you

jonny_k

Peace "idolfree",

Make sure you are clean. Good to do after taking a shower/bath.

Get a cloth or some clean space to use.

Write your question down on a piece of paper

"Q- Please comment on my incarnation objective"

Then take the three coins, make sure you have designated a "heads and tails". Put them in your hands and cup them together so that the coins can shake loosely in your hands. Next drop them on the cloth or clean space. Write down the combination you get, I.E. 2 heads and one tail, 3 heads, 3 tails, 1 head and two tails.

You will do this for a total of six times.

Let me know your results and we can go from there.

JK- Ok did that and the results were

1H and 2T
3H
3T
3T
3T
3H
GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "idolfree"

1H and 2T
3H
3T
3T
3T
3H
Im now awaiting your readings. GOD Bless!

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Johnny K,

Sorry for the delay. I am without a computer at home for a while and been busy at work. I will reply tommorrow.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Johnny K,

Sorry for the delays. I usually post a lot at work but its been very busy and I dont have access to a computer at home for a moment, so we have to take this slowly.

Your response from the coins was Hexagram 41 (Decrease) into Hexagram 49 (Revolution)

Lines 2,3,4,5 and 6 stressed.

I will read it over tonight and give you my understanding tommorrow.

unknownuser

Perhaps this might be helpful

http//members.aol.com/tig550908/i_hexagramkey.htm

and this

"The hexagram, like the pentagram, was and is used in practices of the occult as well as Satanism. In these traditions the hexagram is inscribed inside a circle with the points touching it."
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Danish,

Perhaps this might be helpful

http//members.aol.com/tig550908/i_hexagramkey.htm

That site is no good. Thats like reading the horoscope out of the paper compared to a qualified astrolger doing your birth chart.

and this

"The hexagram, like the pentagram, was and is used in practices of the occult as well as Satanism. In these traditions the hexagram is inscribed inside a circle with the points touching it."
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram

The word "occult" only means "hidden/unseen", just like GHAYB. The ties to satanism are nonsense. Oracles are a tool for ANYONE to use, no matter what "SECT" they claim to be, just like meditation, prayer, etc.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you JK,

Take a look at this site until I can get back to you shortly.

http//afpc.asso.fr/wengu/wg/wengu.php?l=Yijing&no=0

unknownuser

Peace be upon you JK,

I will have the response for you this weekend. Also, do you have another question I can work on for you that is more direct. The Life question, although the most important, will not verify itself quickly. Is there any situation going on in your life right now you want to know about?