Mind Boggling!!!
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Peace,
I have noticed thaqt this site is owned by a christian from New Zealand. Their is nothing wrong with that, but what else are you not telling us? Are you being paid by some organisation? If not, tell me how it is possible for you to be on 24/7.
You are confusing between the host of this site (a small business in New Zealand) and the owner.
The person in New Zealand hosts this site for $ as any other internet hosting company.
The site is owned and run by Muslims who try to adhere to God and nothing but the word of God.
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Peace be upon you Mana,
Thanks for coming back to visit us. Indeed this site is run and upheld by men and women who strive for peace (s-l-m), and are therby described as "muslim", no matter what name they give themselves. And we do not differentiate between messengers, some of which we were never told about. We obey the messenger by obeying the God, which makes us automatic followers of all of God's unified messengers.
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One thing that really bothers me is the distinction between the hadith and the Quran. You people have disregarded the hadith and focus entirely on the Quran. That is how you can justify the drinking of alcohol and other things that are prohibited.No, they can't justify it, they want to, but they can't. But that is their responsibility. The Quran is clear enough on the subject.
Peace,
You point to there is no compulsion in religion and then state that according to YOU that alcohol is prohibited. I'm sorry but it has not been proven to me thus far. Until it is proven I will continue drinking alcohol and not because I'm addicted to it or need it, because it is my choice.
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Peace,
I understand you, and i respect your own opinion. The thing is, when i have these discussions, people say to me; where is the prohibition? Then i turn it around; where is your permission then? God doesn't talk about intoxicants in a positive way. i approach it like this. If your father advises you not to do something, he doesn't prohibite it, but he advises against its use, is that the same as giving his permission? No, because he knows and respects your own free will is the one who will decide for you. So his allowing based on permission? No, his allowing is based on; you have to find out for yourself. It is proven that when something is prohibited, it is more attractive to take it, the product or behaviour gets a whole new level. Ok, let's replace your father now with God. Doesn't it give a whole new dimension to the advise?
2219 They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say "In them is great harm, and a benefit for mankind; but their harm is greater than their benefit." And they ask you how much are they to give, Say "The excess." It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.
590 O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tools of affliction used by the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful.
591 The devil only wants to cause strife between you through intoxicants and gambling, and to repel you away from remembering God and from the contact-method. Will you be deterred?In these verses i read a strong advise not to take intoxicants. Where do you read permission? Does this advise lean more to rather don't do it all, or does it lean towards it is ok?
Before you answer, think carefully why you want the permission. Why do you still push away an advise from God Himself? Why do you defend your position? Because you're defending the truth? Or because you're defending a habit? Something you like doing? Why exactly are you defending what you're defending? And i'm not refering to the intoxicants themselve, making you defend it, i'm refering to the psychological factor that makes people defend things.
It is like people defending saying Muhammed next to God; are they really worshipping Muhammed next to God then? No, of course not, i know a lot of people who believe in the Quran alone, and still Muhammed next to God, and seeing nothing wrong with it, while they know it is not to be found in the Quran. So what are they defending then? The Quranic truth? No, they know it is not found in the Quran. Are they defending Muhammed as a deity? No, they don't see Muhammed as an deity. Then what are they defending? They are defending there choice of behaviour, they are defending they're habit, they're behaviour they have been doing for a long time. So it is their behaviour that is more important then the truth, they put their will, their unwillingness of allowing to adapt to the truth next to God. They're putting their right of freewill next to God.
This is the same with this subject. I cannot say it is prohibited, but i have more arguments for saying it is better you rather not to take intoxicants, from the Quran and scientifical points of views. Then you have arguments, saying you have the right to take them. You have no foot to stand on, except that God only strongly advises against it, instead of forbidding it directly. It is your right to make use of the choice God gives you, but you have to think carefully on why do you choose like you do now. Is it based on science? No, it is better for your body, to not take it all, is it based on the Quran, no, God advises strongly against it. So what do you have left? Your right of free will, to go against God's advise. So to say it is not prohibited, sounds more like an 14 year old behaviour to me, then mature and wise behaviour...
Peace
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Peace brother Arnold,
The following verse sums up what you said in your post
4523 Have you seen the one who took his ego as his god, and God led him astray, despite his knowledge, and He sealed his hearing and his heart, and He made a veil on his eyes? Who then can guide him after God? Will you not remember?
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His only genius is tricking the world into thinking he is one.
Sacrilege! ;D Let's take this down to the movie thread, I'm sure lot's can be discussed about Jackson's tendencies toward ingenuity or not D
