Why I left so called "islam"....
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I am sorry to tell you that you are reading the wrong book. God is not in the Kur'an, Islam the wicked witch is. God loves you Amanda and I am telling you today that God is calling you back into his fold. You got confused, you wandered away form Jesus, but He loves you and wants you back with his father.
Satan is a deceiver. You yourself said that you don't understand why anybody can follow Muhammad. But the Qur'an is Muhammad. Now Satan saw that you put up a good fight and deceived you the more by leading you to believe that the Qur'an has an answer for you. Everybody who joins Islam in one way or another is under condemnation. Reading the Qur'an might sooth you, but it is a trap for souls for Islam.
The Qur'an contains the thought of men, while the Bible contains the thought of God. Your soul fought and lost. But God never gives up on his children and He knows that you love him and that is why today he leads me to your story. I never care to read people's stories but it is your choice now to find the way home to our Lord Jesus. God gave one book to his people and it is the Bible where the Books of Moses are and where Jesus and his action of salvation is.
The Muslims say that Jesus didn't die on the cross. No matter how beautiful and flowery the Qur'an is, it is a book of condemnation not salvation.
I hope that you are happy with your husband, but your soul has to make a choice Stay with the works of Muhammad or the works of God.
May God make you choose the path of Y'shua which is the only path for those called by the God of Israel!
Great hug from me
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I hope that you are happy with your husband, but your soul has to make a choice Stay with the works of Muhammad or the works of God.
Strangely, her last sentence makes sense.
We follow the Qur'an, which is the word of God.
We avoid the hadith, which is most likely the works of men, and the Bible, which has been tampered by men.
And we think Isa/Jesus is not God.
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I am sorry to tell you that you are reading the wrong book. God is not in the Kur'an, Islam the wicked witch is. God loves you Amanda and I am telling you today that God is calling you back into his fold. You got confused, you wandered away form Jesus, but He loves you and wants you back with his father.
Satan is a deceiver. You yourself said that you don't understand why anybody can follow Muhammad. But the Qur'an is Muhammad. Now Satan saw that you put up a good fight and deceived you the more by leading you to believe that the Qur'an has an answer for you. Everybody who joins Islam in one way or another is under condemnation. Reading the Qur'an might sooth you, but it is a trap for souls for Islam.
The Qur'an contains the thought of men, while the Bible contains the thought of God. Your soul fought and lost. But God never gives up on his children and He knows that you love him and that is why today he leads me to your story. I never care to read people's stories but it is your choice now to find the way home to our Lord Jesus. God gave one book to his people and it is the Bible where the Books of Moses are and where Jesus and his action of salvation is.
The Muslims say that Jesus didn't die on the cross. No matter how beautiful and flowery the Qur'an is, it is a book of condemnation not salvation.
I hope that you are happy with your husband, but your soul has to make a choice Stay with the works of Muhammad or the works of God.
May God make you choose the path of Y'shua which is the only path for those called by the God of Israel!
Great hug from me
Selina, all of the above "facts" according to you, are based on the authority of YOUR WORDS. We here seek the truth based on the authority of THE GOD'S WORDS. Just because Selina says so does not make it a fact.
The mighty incorruptible and scientifically and logically accurate book The Qur'aan itself never claims to have been authored by Muhammad and has amazing qualities which have been unmatched by humans despite the challenges issued by The God Himself
223 And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a chapter like this, and call upon your witnesses other than God if you are truthful.
1038 Or do they say he invented it? Say "Then bring a chapter like it, and call upon whoever you can besides God if you are truthful!"
1113 Or do they Say "He invented it!" Say "Bring ten invented chapters like it, and call on whom you can besides God if you are truthful."
1114 So, if they do not respond to you, then know that it was sent down with God's knowledge, and that there is no god but He. Will you then surrender?1788 Say "If all the humans and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Quran like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another."
5233 Or do they Say "He made it all up"? No, they simply do not believe.
5234 Let them produce a narration like this, if they are truthful.It contains some scientific facts which no human could have possibly known 500 years ago, let alone 1500 years ago.
Selina, if you doubt that The Qur'aan is the true word of The God and believe that it is made up or invented by a man then why don't you take The God up on His challenge issued to all mankind and jinn combined. Get the help of anyone you like.
224 And if you cannot do this; and you will not be able to do this; then beware the Fire whose fuel is people and stones, it has been prepared for the rejecters.
482 Do they not reflect on the Quran? If it was from any other than God they would have found in it much difference/disagreement/contradiction.
Listen and heed to The God's advice
1736 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.
1038 Or do they say he invented it? Say "Then bring a chapter like it, and call upon whoever you can besides God if you are truthful!"
1039 No, they have lied about that which they did not have knowledge of, nor has its explanation come to them. It is also how those before them denied, so see how was the retribution of the wicked!
1040 And there are some of them who believe in it, and some of them do not believe in it. Your Lord is better aware of the transgressors.
1041 And if they deny you, then Say "I have my deeds, and you have your deeds. You are innocent from what I do, and I am innocent from what you do."
1042 And there are some of them who listen to you; but can you make the deaf hear, if they do not comprehend?
1043 And there are some of them who look at you; but can you guide the blind, if they do not see?
1044 God does not wrong the people in the least, but it is the people who wrong themselves.Selina, read The Qur'aan in its entirety; it speaks for itself. May The God guide you to the truth and the straight path.
1037 This Quran could not have been produced without God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and to give detail to the Scripture in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.
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may peace be upon you amanda.
to tell you the truth, i am pretty much like you, despite the fact that i haven't converted to christianity(but i prayed with the jehovah's witnesses once then i went back to my country i once went to my home mosque and stayed in the prostrating positiion for 40 minutes seeking forgiveness from allah(i called god allah since it was a sunni thing). you went back and forth, back and forth...... like me (please read my article) and i am well aware of the fact that you used to be a christian and if i offended you with any antagonism about mr. christ on my article then i truely apologize, especially if you still have any glimpse of your 'leftover faith'. funny though, if we met a long time ago, not in this website, but in real life, we would've HATED EACH OTHER because at one point of your long life you hated the muslims(with more than enough reasons) and i hated the christians(with more than enough reasons).... that's why i say i am like you despite the fact we never even met..... thank the god that we met after we cleared our hatred and i am thankful for that. D
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salam alaykum
im glad you messaged me
if you have yahoo messenger send me a message
diamond_in_the_sand11703
amanda
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sorry, amanda i feel the only way to contact me at this point is through here. i am a very free person, i never feel insecured online because i know mankind is far too weak...... so i always am honest about myself when exchanging info and i am well aware of the fact that everyone thinks differently... so i respect that... and times change.... because it is a relative matter rather than absolute so we change as well....
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salam alykum wr wb
peace be upon you
hi this is amanda it has been a while since ive posted on here. Well, I am coming to give my update. My daughter Sara has just turned 2 years old and thank God I finally have the copy of the MESSAGE. rreading the preface has been so helpful. I been spending my time studying the word of God as well as observing the "muslims" I have been back to the mosque twice. and honestly the first time i didnt notice anything odd. the second time i went it was like when i tried to convert back to christianity when i went back it just didnt feel right. I heard the imam saying things and i felt compelled to remark right then and there to the other sister near me to the imams flaws and the looks she gave me made me realize io might be the only one there who doesnt think like this. When they started talking about the cartoons of muhammad and the things he said really bothered me. I thank God that I have been guided..doesnt mean ive been feel of any errors. I really after going to the mosque feel like it is my mission to help these people..but know that God is the only guide. Sometimes i wonder..knowing all my faults..why would God give me the truth while all those people could they really be wrong. I have finally understood...God sees things in people that they dont see in themselves. The major thing I asked for truth in total sincerity. I really don't know how I will teach my daughter about islam. I mean how I will go about it. Does anyone have any ideas? Do i tell her all about all the religions even sunnism shiasm etc and then allow her to read all and choose the best way as pertaining to the quran. or do i say this is the way... what is the best approach? I dont wqnt to come down too strong, yet I dont want her to go the wrong way. I really want to get more involved I feel in the last few years God has shown me ways and helped me to change myself in ways i never knew possible. I want to keep learning and discovering myslef so that I may teach my daughter. I am concerned about his family even though they might not be religious. and what is better she is supposed to go to school next year do i put her in a secualr school where she can bbe influenced by xtians or do i put her in a muslim school where she could be influenced by sunnis and shias? i guess this is gonna be harder than i anticipated. any advice?
love your sister in islam
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Salam, )
I think public/secular school is the best choice. Why? Because if your daughter goes to a religious school and she tells her non-traditional belief to her friends, she might get shunned or even harassed.
As for influence from her Xtian friends if she goes to public school, I think there is nothing to worry about. The most important thing is your guidance. If you can explain the logic of her faith (Not forcing her to adopt blind faith) and make her sure she is on the right path then hopefully she will be fine.
I wish you and your family the best
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I am sorry to tell you that you are reading the wrong book. God is not in the Kur'an, Islam the wicked witch is. God loves you Amanda and I am telling you today that God is calling you back into his fold. You got confused, you wandered away form Jesus, but He loves you and wants you back with his father.
Satan is a deceiver. You yourself said that you don't understand why anybody can follow Muhammad. But the Qur'an is Muhammad. Now Satan saw that you put up a good fight and deceived you the more by leading you to believe that the Qur'an has an answer for you. Everybody who joins Islam in one way or another is under condemnation. Reading the Qur'an might sooth you, but it is a trap for souls for Islam.
The Qur'an contains the thought of men, while the Bible contains the thought of God. Your soul fought and lost. But God never gives up on his children and He knows that you love him and that is why today he leads me to your story. I never care to read people's stories but it is your choice now to find the way home to our Lord Jesus. God gave one book to his people and it is the Bible where the Books of Moses are and where Jesus and his action of salvation is.
The Muslims say that Jesus didn't die on the cross. No matter how beautiful and flowery the Qur'an is, it is a book of condemnation not salvation.
I hope that you are happy with your husband, but your soul has to make a choice Stay with the works of Muhammad or the works of God.
May God make you choose the path of Y'shua which is the only path for those called by the God of Israel!
Great hug from me
Hey B***h!
Where is your word of God? Having 1000000 versions of Bible?
e.g. King James version,
New king james version,
21st Century king James version,
New life version
International Readers version
Old testament,
new testament.
Bla Bla,,
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..Is this still a word of God? which has been edited by 100000000 times by humans.
Go first find your original book then come back to invite anyone to christianity.
VirtualEye.
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virtualeye,
Hey Bitch!
Where is your word of God? Having 1000000 versions of Bible?
e.g. King James version,
New king james version,
21st Century king James version,
New life version
International Readers version
Old testament,
new testament.
Bla Bla,,
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..Is this still a word of God? which has been edited by 100000000 times by humans.
Go first find your original book then come back to invite anyone to christianity.
VirtualEye.
ve, this is not the right method to refute the argument of another fellow human being. didn't you read the quran about 'spiritual diseases' and god increases their disease while they think they increase their faith... same application to the hypocrites.
one more thing, this thread is in danger of being removed to "trash section" for the usage of the word "b****". ask layth, the nabi, wakas or zenje...
i am sorry bro,/sis, you might get banned for a short period of time.
you really have to find ways to mock at people without using profanity... and that is what freedom of speech is all about...
peace, rifat
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virtualeye,
peace, rifat
Its not freedom of Yelling allowed. That lady is trying to deviate a new muslim to the rubbish.
Freedom of speech is ok as far as she yells to invite to her religion only....what she does not have the right to tell a lie. Did she has the proof that Quran is sayings of Muhammad?
And what wrong I asked that which version is she inviting to????
VirtualEye.
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Use arguments in good way VE, Moses had to do that with the Pharoah, God says in the Quran, that we always must utter peace if we come across the ignorant. It is their responsibility.
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Use arguments in good way VE, Moses had to do that with the Pharoah, God says in the Quran, that we always must utter peace if we come across the ignorant. It is their responsibility.
That lady is not ignorant.
There is a difference between the two situations1- I invite that lady to Islam and then she refuses saying that I dont believe this to be true religion.
2- A lady intrudes in Islamic discussion and says to muslims that I dont believe in Islam and its not true.
3- A lady intrudes in Islamic discussion and says to muslims that Islam is not true religion and quran is work of Muhammad (Naoozubillah).
4- A lady intrudes in Islamic disucssion and targets that person who has just entered Islam and has little knowledge of Islam. And at the same time abuses quran and Islam as well as Muhammd (PBUH) --> Implying that Prophet was lier (Naoozubillah)Now first scenario or the second are tolerable....But you know the third and fourth are not even permissible in Islamic laws.....No christian can preach the muslims of weak belief or less knowledge. No missionary can make people dupe/fool who have little knowledge about Islam or are just new to Islam.
Got my point?
Sincerely,
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Peace,
Yes, of course we have better arguments and is she wrong. But still no reason to curse.
2855 And if they come across vain talk, they disregard it and Say "To us are our deeds, and to you is your deeds. Peace be upon you. We do not seek the ignorant."
4389 So disregard them and Say "Peace." For they will come to know.
4735 Therefore, do not be weak and ask for peace, for you are on a higher moral ground, and God is with you. And He will not waste your efforts.
2563 And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say "Peace."
It is better, and the right way. But do what you want. Your deeds and behaviour show your faith and maturity.
Peace
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4735 Therefore, do not be weak and ask for peace, for you are on a higher moral ground, and God is with you. And He will not waste your efforts.
Are you sure this translation is correct ?
See http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=4370.0;topicseenPeace
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Thanx for the coreection... )
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Peace,
Yes, of course we have better arguments and is she wrong. But still no reason to curse.
2855 And if they come across vain talk, they disregard it and Say "To us are our deeds, and to you is your deeds. Peace be upon you. We do not seek the ignorant."
4389 So disregard them and Say "Peace." For they will come to know.
4735 Therefore, do not be weak and ask for peace, for you are on a higher moral ground, and God is with you. And He will not waste your efforts.
2563 And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say "Peace."
It is better, and the right way. But do what you want. Your deeds and behaviour show your faith and maturity.
Peace
I ask refuge from Allah if I am wrong. I dont like follow my Ego and dont want to lose control anyway.
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It is hard, but that is part of being a muslim. Keeping your cool, is the hardest thing in life when you come across ignorant people. I have the same problem too sometimes. It is normal, we're human. Our duty is to acknowledge our weakness, and indeed ask God to help us to do better. That is why God says, say peace and walk away.......
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Peace arnoldyasin. Very,very good post...A humble and sobering lesson for us all....
We will always come across others who we disagree with,or are even ignorant,or even abusive...We can try to keep cool and walk away....We can try to think if the 'dialogue' is actually contributing to 'peace' or anything beneficial...,if the 'dialogue' is not contributing to peace,or even making the situation worse,then rather than lose our 'cool' or saying something 'destructive',we can walk away,or stop debating...We can try to be just even to those who we disagree with,or with those who are,or can be 'antagonistic/argumentative/abusive'
Peace all. Ps; i have learnt this through real life-experience and through my recent 'experiences' on this forum!!!...Sometimes its not worth continuing in a fruitless,potentially 'abusive dialogue,ego is a very dangerous thing,and these 'dialogues' can sometimes create ill-feelings and negativity.).Take it easy...