Why I left so called "islam"....
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Use arguments in good way VE, Moses had to do that with the Pharoah, God says in the Quran, that we always must utter peace if we come across the ignorant. It is their responsibility.
That lady is not ignorant.
There is a difference between the two situations1- I invite that lady to Islam and then she refuses saying that I dont believe this to be true religion.
2- A lady intrudes in Islamic discussion and says to muslims that I dont believe in Islam and its not true.
3- A lady intrudes in Islamic discussion and says to muslims that Islam is not true religion and quran is work of Muhammad (Naoozubillah).
4- A lady intrudes in Islamic disucssion and targets that person who has just entered Islam and has little knowledge of Islam. And at the same time abuses quran and Islam as well as Muhammd (PBUH) --> Implying that Prophet was lier (Naoozubillah)Now first scenario or the second are tolerable....But you know the third and fourth are not even permissible in Islamic laws.....No christian can preach the muslims of weak belief or less knowledge. No missionary can make people dupe/fool who have little knowledge about Islam or are just new to Islam.
Got my point?
Sincerely,
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Peace,
Yes, of course we have better arguments and is she wrong. But still no reason to curse.
2855 And if they come across vain talk, they disregard it and Say "To us are our deeds, and to you is your deeds. Peace be upon you. We do not seek the ignorant."
4389 So disregard them and Say "Peace." For they will come to know.
4735 Therefore, do not be weak and ask for peace, for you are on a higher moral ground, and God is with you. And He will not waste your efforts.
2563 And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say "Peace."
It is better, and the right way. But do what you want. Your deeds and behaviour show your faith and maturity.
Peace
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4735 Therefore, do not be weak and ask for peace, for you are on a higher moral ground, and God is with you. And He will not waste your efforts.
Are you sure this translation is correct ?
See http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=4370.0;topicseenPeace
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Thanx for the coreection... )
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Peace,
Yes, of course we have better arguments and is she wrong. But still no reason to curse.
2855 And if they come across vain talk, they disregard it and Say "To us are our deeds, and to you is your deeds. Peace be upon you. We do not seek the ignorant."
4389 So disregard them and Say "Peace." For they will come to know.
4735 Therefore, do not be weak and ask for peace, for you are on a higher moral ground, and God is with you. And He will not waste your efforts.
2563 And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say "Peace."
It is better, and the right way. But do what you want. Your deeds and behaviour show your faith and maturity.
Peace
I ask refuge from Allah if I am wrong. I dont like follow my Ego and dont want to lose control anyway.
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It is hard, but that is part of being a muslim. Keeping your cool, is the hardest thing in life when you come across ignorant people. I have the same problem too sometimes. It is normal, we're human. Our duty is to acknowledge our weakness, and indeed ask God to help us to do better. That is why God says, say peace and walk away.......
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Peace arnoldyasin. Very,very good post...A humble and sobering lesson for us all....
We will always come across others who we disagree with,or are even ignorant,or even abusive...We can try to keep cool and walk away....We can try to think if the 'dialogue' is actually contributing to 'peace' or anything beneficial...,if the 'dialogue' is not contributing to peace,or even making the situation worse,then rather than lose our 'cool' or saying something 'destructive',we can walk away,or stop debating...We can try to be just even to those who we disagree with,or with those who are,or can be 'antagonistic/argumentative/abusive'
Peace all. Ps; i have learnt this through real life-experience and through my recent 'experiences' on this forum!!!...Sometimes its not worth continuing in a fruitless,potentially 'abusive dialogue,ego is a very dangerous thing,and these 'dialogues' can sometimes create ill-feelings and negativity.).Take it easy... -
Peace,
Where there is a fight, two have fault. We say in Holland. If somebody gets mad, it is because, they feel attacked personaly, and that they are pushed to a border they don't wanna go. I always ask myself why i defend things. Because it is the truth? Or because i need it to be defended, as i don't have good claims? And of course, sometimes you just get mad, because the person behaves dumb, but you've to always keep your cool, because everyone is on a different level of understanding. People get mad, because they need you to believe in it, deep down they do. Sometimes i showed you, you gave the wrong examples for contradictions as they weren't contradictions. So not because you don't have the right to ask them, like some people behave, but your asking the wrong ones. If they really believed in their answers, they wouldn't get mad, they just would have sad; ok, you don't wanna see it, then were done. That's it, easy as that. If they start cursing you for not agreeing or seeing it, it is because, they need you to see it, no matter truth or not. I don't say, you were right in your arguments, but they weren't right in talking in such a harsh manner. Which is worse.
2563 And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say "Peace."
Peace
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Peace arnoldyasin. I appreciate your post. I feel there is a lot of truth in your assessment of why we get 'upset' with other peoples views when discussing...Is it because we are frustrated that the other person wont see the truth,or because they dont agree with what we believe?...(even though we could be wrong or mistaken in our beliefs...) Also if the other person is generally a peaceful person and trying to practically conduct his life morally,then is there any point discussing in a way that can create ill-feelings or dogmatism between two normally peaceful people?
I think we should generally try to be just and peaceful with people regardless of their labels or beliefs...and try not to let our ego (or the satan.) interfere in our quest for peace,tolerance and understanding...I think behaviour and intentions are the 'truest' reflections of 'good',rational beliefs....
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Its not my EGO.
If somebody criticizes me then its tolerable.
If somebody criticizes our Book or Prophet or our Lord, then I will be certainly Angry on that. No matter I show my anger or not.VE
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If somebody criticizes our Book or Prophet or our Lord, then I will be certainly Angry on that. No matter I show my anger or not.
God doesn't say, that you don't have the right to get mad or not, because it is your right. He only gives advise about showing it or not........That's all..........
2563 And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say "Peace."
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Peace virtualeye. How do you think the prophet would deal with people who;
a) asked 'tough',but worthy 'questions' to him...
b) people who criticised his religion and him...
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Peace virtualeye. How do you think the prophet would deal with people who;
a) asked 'tough',but worthy 'questions' to him...
b) people who criticised his religion and him...
Peace all. Thank you in advance.I like tough and worthy question which has some base and some homework.
I catch fire upon baseless lie or abuse. (no matter I am doing right or wrong).
I am not as Merciful and as Wise and as Great as He is.
So I might not be as tolerant.
VE.
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Peace virtualeye. Im sure there is a hadith stating that; 'the strong man is not the one who wrestles or overcomes people...,but the strong one is the one who controls his temper.'..
Im sure some hadith also state if one is angry they should first sit down to calm themselves,then lie down,or even do 'wudhu'...
Also i read that the greater 'jihad' is to control ones own 'nafs'...
Remember the story of ali not hurting the man who spat in his face,because he felt he would hurt that man for his own 'nafs' and not for the sake of allah...
Remeber the city of 'taif' when the people pelted the prophet with stones in response to his message.......when allah sent an angel to ask if he wanted these people punished,he stated no..
Did the prophet ever 'approve' of 'harsh' speech?
Correct me if i am wrong...
Peace all. Ps; i am not just criticising you personally,im trying to find out,and understand your views on these points. -
Peace virtualeye. Im sure there is a hadith stating that; 'the strong man is not the one who wrestles or overcomes people...,but the strong one is the one who controls his temper.'..
Im sure some hadith also state if one is angry they should first sit down to calm themselves,then lie down,or even do 'wudhu'...
Also i read that the greater 'jihad' is to control ones own 'nafs'...
Remember the story of ali not hurting the man who spat in his face,because he felt he would hurt that man for his own 'nafs' and not for the sake of allah...
Remeber the city of 'taif' when the people pelted the prophet with stones in response to his message.......when allah sent an angel to ask if he wanted these people punished,he stated no..
Did the prophet ever 'approve' of 'harsh' speech?
Correct me if i am wrong...
Peace all. Ps; i am not just criticising you personally,im trying to find out,and understand your views on these points.I dont know from which station you are speaking. Sotimes you people reject Ahadith and sometimes start refering Ahadith and all historical matter. I wonder !
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Peace virtualeye. I am not quran alone,or sunni...I take knowledge from whichever source i can verify is practically and morally beneficial... I am quoting these hadiths as i have come across them,and there is a lesson to be learnt from some hadiths...
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salam alaykum
good to see my topic is still going after all this time loool
amanda
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salam alaykum
good to see my topic is still going after all this time loool
amanda
Salamun 'alaikum,
I take a look at the starting date of this thread. It is mentioned August 11, 2004.
Sister amanda ...after all this time please accept my very belated welcome ...LOL
sun
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As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully.Hi, my name is Alen, i'm from Slovenia. me and my brother are the only ones who follow Qur'an alone in Slovenia. There are a little less then 50.000 muslims here, all sunni and the fact that just me and my brother are the only ones who follow Qur'an alone, is something that scares me.
I began my search for Islam in 1997 since my parents were never into religion that much. Communism was brainwashing all of the people in the balcans so my parents weren't allowed to express themselves when they were in Bosnia and when they moved here, they abandoned religion alltogether.
In 1999 i started praying and i was a good muslim. A sunni muslim. But in 1994 i ran into several articles, specifically the one entitled A DOZEN REASONS TO FOLLOW QUR'AN ALONE. That was the turning point in my life. That's when i started Islam anew.
Now i'm happier then ever, i just wish to get married but it's difficult to marry sunni or shi'a musli here let alone to get accepted by them just because i don't follow hadith and sunna. And they themselves don't follow hadith, sunna or the Qur'an, yet they expect me to be like them.
Anyways, i'm glad i'm on this forum.
God bless you all.
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Peace,
Welcome to the forum!
Don't think you're alone. I used to think that too, till suddenly dozens of Quranaloners popped up everywhere in my country. Have patience and just spread the news in your surroundings...
Peace