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    unknownuser
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    Phoenix said

    "people don't always agree as to what God's law is"

    ? Therefore, congratulate My servants who listen to all views, then follow the best. These are the ones guided by God; these are the intelligent ones.

    Doesn't this say That which the majority choose as best is Gods Guidance, therefore His Law!

    God Bless all.

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      peace

      I don't think the people in that verse are supposed to be the majority, because the majority only follows conjecture.

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        peace alpha97 and others,

        Democracy is the only way to prevent dictatorship!
        If we want a GOD-based law , then we (the faithfulls) have to manage to increase ourselves in numbers.

        why does people think dictatorship is bad? most of the dictators we've had in the history of mankind civilization are not "free-minded". they only favor their side of the issue. communism fell in Russia because they were not practicing the true virtues of communism. they were practicing a fake communism under the dictatorship of stalin.

        last but not least, most democracies are good because it allows people to have a voice in government. under the dictatorship of hitler, prior to WWII, Germany recovered quicker than expected from the losses of WWI because hitler dictated his policies smoothly and none intervaned with his policies. In a democracy, it is the input of a group of congressmens and spokespersons to form a policy, in most cases there are disagreements. while in dictatorship, it is easy to influence public for the betterment of the society with one viewpoint only.it is true that dictators do not allow the public for a free-voice but at least it is easier to control things while you are in an agreement with the public without any opposition.

        peace, rifat

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          Salaams phoenix,

          If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of God. They follow only conjecture; they only guess. (6116)
          17.
          Waallatheena ijtanaboo alttaghootaan yaAAbudooha waanaboo ila Allahilahumu albushra fabashshir AAibadi

          Those who eschew Evil,- and fall not into its worship,- and turn to Allah (in repentance),- for them is Good News so announce the Good News to My Servants,-
          18.
          Allatheena yastamiAAoona alqawlafayattabiAAoona ahsanahu ola-ika allatheenahadahumu Allahu waola-ika hum oloo al-albabi

          Those who listen to the Word, and follow the best (meaning) in it those are the ones whom Allah has guided, and those are the ones endued with understanding.

          The majority as you say are idolaters and those who make choices are not of them.

          The idolaters don?t like to change and thus don?t make choices, do they? They tend to stick with the sh?they have.
          Then 3918 doesn?t apply to them AS THEY DON?T WANT CHANGE.

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            peace

            that's what i said. The majority doesn't think.

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              why does people think dictatorship is bad? most of the dictators we've had in the history of mankind civilization are not "free-minded". they only favor their side of the issue. communism fell in Russia because they were not practicing the true virtues of communism. they were practicing a fake communism under the dictatorship of stalin.

              last but not least, most democracies are good because it allows people to have a voice in government. under the dictatorship of hitler, prior to WWII, Germany recovered quicker than expected from the losses of WWI because hitler dictated his policies smoothly and none intervaned with his policies. In a democracy, it is the input of a group of congressmens and spokespersons to form a policy, in most cases there are disagreements. while in dictatorship, it is easy to influence public for the betterment of the society with one viewpoint only.it is true that dictators do not allow the public for a free-voice but at least it is easier to control things while you are in an agreement with the public without any opposition.
              peace, rifat

              As long as I can be the DICTATOR then I love DICTATORSHIP D

              Regards,

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                peace, ming-lo,

                As long as I can be the DICTATOR then I love DICTATORSHIP

                and then what, ignore your people, lousy dictator P.

                peace, rifat

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                  peace, ming-lo,

                  As long as I can be the DICTATOR then I love DICTATORSHIP

                  and then what, ignore your people, lousy dictator P

                  peace, rifat

                  You could be sent to a gulag for your comment above and have your goolies grinded between two stones! D

                  Regards,

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                    quote from ming lo,

                    You could be sent to a gulag for your comment above and have your goolies grinded between two stones!

                    my inquiry is ming-lo, we are having a misunderstanding here. if a single ruler is open-minded, liberal, understanding and fair to his subjects, then is he even a dictator anymore?

                    i don't take offense to your comment due to a simple misunderstanding.
                    peace, rifat

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                      alpha97
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                      Peace,

                      When the dictator in power goes stray then the opression story will be repeated! It does not matter how it begins. but the end of baving no democracy is still the same

                      peace

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                        quote from ming lo,

                        You could be sent to a gulag for your comment above and have your goolies grinded between two stones!

                        my inquiry is ming-lo, we are having a misunderstanding here. if a single ruler is open-minded, liberal, understanding and fair to his subjects, then is he even a dictator anymore?

                        i don't take offense to your comment due to a simple misunderstanding.
                        peace, rifat

                        I am not Ming Lo Rifat. I am Lote Tree.

                        And my comments to you was not meant to offend but to amuse.

                        You said "lousy dictator" and I said a dictator can send you to the gulag for comment like that...and you can do nothing about it...that is Dictatorship...

                        Regards,

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                          stillearning
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                          salaam

                          Democracy as simply being 'vote of the majority' is a very bad idea.

                          The solution is to have a constitution based on the framework of God's guidance and then within such a framework you can have democracy.

                          Slightly contradictory

                          ?And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you astray; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.? (The Message 6116).

                          I dont think that is referring to a form of a goverment. However let us assume your implication are excepted and we should not have goverment or a system based on majority wishes (correct me if I am wrong) therefore logically it must on the minority. Obviousouly in large gathering of population we would have to measure their opinion-hence what ever method we choose we simply ignore the vast majority and go along with the minority.

                          This bit is for Lotree-since it is unlikely that minority will be less than 1 then I with 1 vote only am declared the loser hence the winner therefore the ruler I mean the Dictator. It all makes sence to me now
                          regards

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                            salaam
                            This bit is for Lotree-since it is unlikely that minority will be less than 1 then I with 1 vote only am declared the loser hence the winner therefore the ruler I mean the Dictator. It all makes sence to me now
                            regards

                            I did not understand above. Can you elaborate...thannks.

                            Regards,

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                              stillearning
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                              salaam

                              I did not understand above. Can you elaborate...thannks.

                              It was bit of tongue in cheek-since there are those who feel that rule by majority is a bad idea then it implies that that rule by minority is the way forward and you felt that dictators are fine as long you are the dictator-i simply put in my claim on the basis f the smallest minority i.e no one is likely to be for me!!.
                              regards

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                                salaam

                                I did not understand above. Can you elaborate...thannks.

                                It was bit of tongue in cheek-since there are those who feel that rule by majority is a bad idea then it implies that that rule by minority is the way forward and you felt that dictators are fine as long you are the dictator-i simply put in my claim on the basis f the smallest minority i.e no one is likely to be for me!!.
                                regards

                                I meant it in tongue and cheek too wink D

                                Regards,

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                                  bmbmm
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                                  Can you people stop talking rubbish!

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                                    Peace Layth ,

                                    Democracy is the only way to prevent dictatorship!
                                    If we want a GOD-based law , then we (the faithfulls) have to manage to increase ourselves in numbers.

                                    peace,

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