Veil in Saudi Arabia-- Do You Find This Interesting?
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Peace Arnold,
- The <Zeena> of a woman is identified in the same verse when GOD commands her to ?cover? her Zeena which is the <Jayb>.
<JAYB> in Arabic is used for any opening with TWO sides to it. Thus for the body of a woman, the <Jayb> would be the area of the breasts, the area under the arms, the vagina area <Farj> as well as the hands, feet, nose, mouth and
ears. It is incorrect to define <Jayb> as merely the breasts of a woman since that will lead to a wrong understanding of the minimum dress-code requirements (i.e the woman can cover her breasts and walk around naked revealing everything else).
The area of the head (mouth, ears, nose) as well as the feet and hands all fall under the EXCEPTION to being covered which is mentioned as <Ma Zahar> in the same verse. <Ma Zahar> is literally translated as "that which protrudes", thus the limbs (head, feet and hands) are all protruding <Zahar> from the body and therefore are exempt from having their <Zeena> which is the <Jayb> from being covered.
It is worth noting that a woman's stomach and back are NOT part of the <Zeena> and can be revealed if one wished to do so with no implications of "Right" or "Wrong".
It is upto the believing women to ensure that all these areas known as <Zeena> are covered and not revealed to anyone except 1. Husband, 2. Father, 3. Husband?s Father, 4. Son, 5. Husband?s Son, 6. Brother, 7. Brother?s Son, 8. Sister?s Son.
Some people may think that this allows a woman to appear entirely naked in front of the above list. The answer to that is ?yes?, it is not from the Halal or Haram if this happens, but it will be modesty and cultural norms that make this concept peculiar.It is CRITICAL to note that the list of men to whom a woman can reveal her <Zeena> does NOT include her (Uncle, Son from Suckling, Brother from Suckling, Mother?s Husband, Daughter?s Husband and Sister?s Husband) EVEN THOUGHT these people are "Mahram's" whom she is forbidden from marrying (see sura # 4 for the full "Mahram" list).
This new understanding implies that some men may still have a sexual drive or desire for a woman even though they are her "Mahram's" which she is forbidden from marrying. Thus she is NOT to reveal her <Zeena> in their presence.This understanding of <Zeena> will force most Fiqh scholars to re-examine their understanding that the <Zeena> is merely ornaments or make-up, but it is something much more which only a limited few are allowed to see (or else the Mahram?s in Sura # 4 must never see a woman if she has make-up or jewelry on).
4) The next word for those who may see a woman?s <Zeena> is described by the word <NISAUHUN>.
This word has been mistakenly understood to be ?women?, whereas the word <Nisa?a> can also be used for ?those who came later? <Nasee?a>. This word covers all those who come later on such as Son?s Son, Grandchildren, Son?s, Son of Brother, Son?s Son of Sister (i.e. all those who come from the seed of the people allowed to see the woman?s Zeena).Is that quote from Sha7roor's book, or is it your understanding?
- The <Zeena> of a woman is identified in the same verse when GOD commands her to ?cover? her Zeena which is the <Jayb>.
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Sha7roor's book rotfl
would that be mister Sha7roor? O0
I don't know, but he looks like him (they both have the same hair cut)
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It seems Sha7roor is a real person
sorry Taj, i thought it was a good joke by you, LOL
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Peace,
TAJ, it is a quote from Shahroor's book, i'm still investigating his understandings, but i find them intruiging, that is why i posted them...
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arabic? what is that? O0
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arabic? what is that? O0
LOL
he looks funny though, Sudanease possibly
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I love myself tooooooo..............but also i don't know why..........
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Peace Ahmed,
Muhammah Shar7roor is a real person. He basically is trying to reinterpret Al Quran by creating a whole new meaning to the Arabic words. He is very entertaining in his TV interviews and has a great sense of humor, but you wouldn't see any body who is knowledgeable in Arabic language buying his talk!
It seems Sha7roor is a real person
sorry Taj, i thought it was a good joke by you, LOL
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Peace Arnold,
Peace,
TAJ, it is a quote from Shahroor's book, i'm still investigating his understandings, but i find them intruiging, that is why i posted them...arabic? what is that? O0
The <Zeena> of a woman is identified in the same verse when GOD commands her to ?cover? her Zeena which is the <Jayb>.
<JAYB> in Arabic is used for any opening with TWO sides to it. Thus for the body of a woman, the <Jayb> would be the area of the breasts, the area under the arms, the vagina area <Farj> as well as the hands, feet, nose, mouth and
ears. It is incorrect to define <Jayb> as merely the breasts of a woman since that will lead to a wrong understanding of the minimum dress-code requirements (i.e the woman can cover her breasts and walk around naked revealing everything else).From which Arabic dictionary did Shahroor bring that the Jayb means the Zeenah? Those two words have a completely different meaning.
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Why do you think i was still investigating it......
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Peace Ahmed,
Muhammah Shar7roor is a real person. He basically is trying to reinterpret Al Quran by creating a whole new meaning to the Arabic words. He is very entertaining in his TV interviews and has a great sense of humor, but you wouldn't see any body who is knowledgeable in Arabic language buying his talk!
It seems Sha7roor is a real person
sorry Taj, i thought it was a good joke by you, LOL
Thank you sister
i must check him out, i never heard of him actually
does he have a web site?
cheers
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Peace Trn,
i have spoken to many women who wear the veil and most say they wear it because they choose to. to protect themselves from mens thoughts. most people believe women are forced to but women are not they wear it proudly.
I love my veil. It does a wondrous job in protecting me from the harsh weather! But to protect me from men's thoughts... mm..?
What some men think of women is really their problem not ours and I am not here to slove it or make it easier for them.. However, if a man is thinking "something" about me and then I would sense it in his behaviour.. I then would just avoid any possible direct contact with such person, not only by the veil, as that won't stop him, but by avoiding being in his way altogether, especially when you know that it is not just my body and face but also because my voice and my way of talking can be very attractive too, as well as my aura, all parts of me that I cannot cover or change!Proud of wearing the veil? All women should be proud of themselves with or without veil. Pride, by itself, is a great wall/hijab against lusty, mischievous men. A proud woman would never allow a man to take the wrong step towards her.
And,, welcome to the forum, Trn )
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Salam AhmedBahgat, all,
Peace Ahmed,
Muhammah Shar7roor is a real person. He basically is trying to reinterpret Al Quran by creating a whole new meaning to the Arabic words. He is very entertaining in his TV interviews and has a great sense of humor, but you wouldn't see any body who is knowledgeable in Arabic language buying his talk!
It seems Sha7roor is a real person
sorry Taj, i thought it was a good joke by you, LOL
Thank you sister
i must check him out, i never heard of him actually
does he have a web site?
cheers
Dr. Shahrour is the best of the best!-) I had a chance to talk to him on phone last year when I was working with a team translating his book, he is cool, open, and I like a lot his objectivity. I haven't seen him once having that language on "sects" and what each group is doing (the labeling habit that most of people have when they want to refute other schools of thought). He has a website www.shahrour.org.
HOpe the above helps.
Peace. Myr. -
Peace Myr, All
Muhammah Shar7roor is a real person. He basically is trying to reinterpret Al Quran by creating a whole new meaning to the Arabic words. He is very entertaining in his TV interviews and has a great sense of humor, but you wouldn't see any body who is knowledgeable in Arabic language buying his talk!
Dr. Shahrour is the best of the best!-) I had a chance to talk to him on phone last year when I was working with a team translating his book, he is cool, open, and I like a lot his objectivity. I haven't seen him once having that language on "sects" and what each group is doing (the labeling habit that most of people have when they want to refute other schools of thought).
He is cool alright and so much fun to watch as he has a charming personality that would carry you awayyyyyyy
but if you try to verify it you would find that some (and some is enough) of what he says is baseless; not found in any Arabic dictionaries.. that's all.. I love Shahroor but, for the love of Allah, I can't buy what Shahroor says. -
Salam Taj,
Peace Myr, All
Muhammah Shar7roor is a real person. He basically is trying to reinterpret Al Quran by creating a whole new meaning to the Arabic words. He is very entertaining in his TV interviews and has a great sense of humor, but you wouldn't see any body who is knowledgeable in Arabic language buying his talk!
Dr. Shahrour is the best of the best!-) I had a chance to talk to him on phone last year when I was working with a team translating his book, he is cool, open, and I like a lot his objectivity. I haven't seen him once having that language on "sects" and what each group is doing (the labeling habit that most of people have when they want to refute other schools of thought).
He is cool alright and so much fun to watch as he has a charming personality that would carry you awayyyyyyy
but if you try to verify it you would find that some (and some is enough) of what he says is baseless; not found in any Arabic dictionaries.. that's all.. I love Shahroor but, for the love of Allah, I can't buy what Shahroor says.Saying that somebody is cool and open does not mean everything he says or does is correct or that you have to agree with everything and anything he claims. I myself disagree with him on several issues and let us remember even the prophets did mistakes and were recalled on several issues. However, Dr Shahrour has an engineering mind that most of the scholars and people do not have and that he successfuly (to my undestanding of course-)) used in his books to tackle the issues he wanted to tackle.
Can you give us an example of that "some is enough" that you could not verify? Thank you.Peace. Myr.