Why no record of prophets in europe,australasia and america?
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Peace be upon you KGB,
Very simple question. Abraham, Jesus, Noah, Lot, Moses are they real Prophets?
They are archetypes, not literal people. There are people all throughout history and alive today who manifest some or all of thier qualities.
Who was the last Prophet?
There are still prophets, no such thing as "last" prophet.
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KyleThey are archetypes, not literal people. There are people all throughout history and alive today who manifest some or all of thier qualities.
As per al-quraan, I disagree. Al-quraan confirms that these are stories of the past (12/102) but also call them 'ibraat' (12/111).
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Peace be upon you KGB,
Qur'an never said that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was some kind of superhero
"Koran" doesnt talk about any person named Muhammad. My statement is that if there was some guy 1400 years ago that another human cannot emulate, he must be some super human person. Isnt that why you add (SAW) behind that name? And dont add anything behind "Allah"?
This is the lie you make up for your eqo statisfaction. Provide evidence that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was a superhero if you are telling the truth.
Nonsense. Peace to you.
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This means that you really have no faith and without faith you can't understand Qur'an. You are tallking non sense. All you are doing chaning the simple clear verses of Qur'an to fit your frame of mind.
KGB, God Himself is telling us that his ayaat (including those about Musa, Isa etc) appear in our souls (41/53). So how can it be nonsense?
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Peace be upon you ,
As per al-quraan, I disagree. Al-quraan confirms that these are stories of the past (12/102) but also call them 'ibraat' (12/111).
Elsewhere the stories are decribed as metaphors, so they are nothing but figures whose characters are to be emulated.
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Elsewhere the stories are decribed as metaphors, so they are nothing but figures whose characters are to be emulated.
I'm not disputing their function which I agree you're right. However, I accept al-quraan in totality which means I accept both temporal and extra-temporal aspects of their reality.
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4153 Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?
I don't know the meaning of this verse. I will try to understand because its allegorical verse.
This verse did not say that Allah will raise Kyle to the status of Muhammad. Kyle if belongs to Nation of Islam than I can understand what he is saying.
I follow what is marked in red.
37 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
Kyle is following the allegorical part. You are intelligent enough to know why.
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This verse did not say that Allah will raise Kyle to the status of Muhammad. Kyle if belongs to Nation of Islam than I can understand what he is saying.
Hehe, no it doesn't say that, you're right. KGB, first lets analyse the meaning of 'ayat'. An 'ayat' is an indicator of something. Musa is explained to us via various ayat. In order for us to experience the same situations, we act upon Musa's ayat. Musa is then vivified in our souls, as per 41/53. It's about 'status of musa' but rather the indicators in our own lives about Musa.
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MQuran inshaAllah I will try to undersand this verse. I might ask TG and Ahmed Bahgat to explain it to me.
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KGBMQuran inshaAllah I will try to undersand this verse. I might ask TG and Ahmed Bahgat to explain it to me.
Insha Allah.
Kyle here is one prophet for you right in U.S.A.
A nabi isnt a 'prophet'. A nabi's role is well-defined in al-quraan. Clearly sex offending isnt one of them.
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4153 Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?
I don't know the meaning of this verse. I will try to understand because its allegorical verse.
This verse did not say that Allah will raise Kyle to the status of Muhammad. Kyle if belongs to Nation of Islam than I can understand what he is saying.
I follow what is marked in red.
37 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
Kyle is following the allegorical part. You are intelligent enough to know why.
Bro
what Mquran said regarding the 4153 is not sensible
the non arabs has a problem in taking the word Ayaat always as the verses of the Quran, LOL
the word Ayah means a miracle, and inf act it is borrowed as a metaphore some times to refer to the Quran verses but the fact is, its main meaning is miracles and according to the context of 4153, it has noting to do with the Quran verses other than the last bit when it says until they believe that it is from Allah i.e. after seeing Allah miracles in the horizons (the future) and in ourselves (our bodies as we learn about it) we must know that this creation is not a coincidence rather by a creator and that Creator is the One who authored the Quran and told us in it that He created this, that and everything including us, therefore we must believe that the Quran is from Allah
please bro don't get dragged then mislead under this clear cut case of verse manipulation, when i have more time I will try to elaborate further
Take care
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Peace
If I want to show you the characteristics of a leader, I would show you all the habits, actions, attitude that fits into that category. If I want to tell you about Mahatma Gandhi the leader, I would tell you the good, the bad, and the ugly.
To err is human you're absolutely correct in that. But you yourself say the Mohamed in the quran is not the human, he is a set of actions, deeds, attitude that if emulated will grant the person access to "his" experience. I see a contradiction in your own theory here. Again what is the purpose of adding in mistakes if code-name "Mohamed" is only a code name for a set of characteristics.
Whether you consider the prophets to be archetypes or real people that actually existed, I don't disagree that we should try to strive to live a whole and pure life like them in order to be closer to God as they are. As for the argument that we could reach their level, I don't know that this is even something we can logically discuss. Who are we to judge how close we can be to God? We can only hope and do all that is in our capacity according to each of our own knowledge. As for the final result, it would be really pompous for anyone to pretend they know.
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Salaam Ahmed Baghat
Thank you for explaining this verse. Alhamdulillah have faith in Allah and Qur'an so there is no chance of misguidance by people like Kyle.
Did you not see how powerful the words of Allah are? The simplest verse of Qur'an has exposed Kyle.
Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena
Amzazing and powerful are the words of our Creator.
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ABwhat Mquran said regarding the 4153 is not sensible
Ok. Can you please explain why not?
the non arabs has a problem in taking the word Ayaat always as the verses of the Quran, LOL
So 'ayaat fil afaaq' is when you throw the quran as far as you can into the horizon and 'ayat fil anfus' is when you swallow up verses of the quran as part of your dinner? Nice AB, really nice D
Also, its sad how you typify people as 'arabs' or 'non-arabs'. 'Arabs' think thus and 'non-arabs' think thus.
the word Ayah means a miracle, and inf act it is borrowed as a metaphore some times to refer to the Quran verses but the fact is, its main meaning is miracles and according to the context of 4153, it has noting to do with the Quran verses other than the last bit when it says until they believe that it is from Allah i.e. after seeing Allah miracles in the horizons (the future) and in ourselves (our bodies as we learn about it) we must know that this creation is not a coincidence rather by a creator and that Creator is the One who authored the Quran and told us in it that He created this, that and everything including us, therefore we must believe that the Quran is from Allah
Huh, above you say non-arabs cannot accept ayaat ALWAYS means verses of the Quran! Now you say its miracles. Can you tell me what a 'miracle' is, please ? Is it a miracle to see a ship float on water, for example?
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SoulTo err is human you're absolutely correct in that. But you yourself say the Mohamed in the quran is not the human, he is a set of actions, deeds, attitude that if emulated will grant the person access to "his" experience. I see a contradiction in your own theory here. Again what is the purpose of adding in mistakes if code-name "Mohamed" is only a code name for a set of characteristics.
Can you please show me in the 4 occurences of the word 'muhammad', he is mentioned with respect to a mistake?
Whether you consider the prophets to be archetypes or real people that actually existed, I don't disagree that we should try to strive to live a whole and pure life like them in order to be closer to God as they are. As for the argument that we could reach their level, I don't know that this is even something we can logically discuss. Who are we to judge how close we can be to God? We can only hope and do all that is in our capacity according to each of our own knowledge. As for the final result, it would be really pompous for anyone to pretend they know.
We don't judge, God does. We only observe and follow as best we can.
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ABwhat Mquran said regarding the 4153 is not sensible
Ok. Can you please explain why not?
Becaue how we see the verses of the Quran inside ourselves, we only see the MIRACLES of Allah inside ouserves
the non arabs has a problem in taking the word Ayaat always as the verses of the Quran, LOL
So 'ayaat fil afaaq' is when you throw the quran as far as you can into the horizon and 'ayat fil anfus' is when you swallow up verses of the quran as part of your dinner? Nice AB, really nice
it seems you donlt know what you are talking about so I will ignore the above non sensible comment, it is you who take the Aya as seeing the Quran inside yourselves, do you speak english bro?
Also, its sad how you typify people as 'arabs' or 'non-arabs'. 'Arabs' think thus and 'non-arabs' think thus.
i donlt really care, the fact of is bloody clear, there are arabs and non arabs as there english and non english, what is you problem exactly?
the word Ayah means a miracle, and inf act it is borrowed as a metaphore some times to refer to the Quran verses but the fact is, its main meaning is miracles and according to the context of 4153, it has noting to do with the Quran verses other than the last bit when it says until they believe that it is from Allah i.e. after seeing Allah miracles in the horizons (the future) and in ourselves (our bodies as we learn about it) we must know that this creation is not a coincidence rather by a creator and that Creator is the One who authored the Quran and told us in it that He created this, that and everything including us, therefore we must believe that the Quran is from Allah
Huh, above you say non-arabs cannot accept ayaat ALWAYS means verses of the Quran! Now you say its miracles. Can you tell me what a 'miracle' is, please ? Is it a miracle to see a ship float on water, for example?
of course it is a miracle to see a ship float in the water and also the creation of the human embryo is another miracle, how about the big bang?, wasn't that a miracle or not?
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AB, before I respond to your above post, can you please tell me
- How you understand 41/53 (relative to my nonsensical understanding)
well, i explained how 4153 is understood according to its clear arabic words, regarding your understanding, i thought you mean 4152 is talking about the verses of the Quran (Ayaat) which is 100% wrong, if i thought wrong then I'm sorry, but if I thought right then it is you who have a lot of explnation to do regarding that word "Ayaat"
- What you understand by the word 'ayat' being an Arab.
Thanks.
I don't really care bro what is the origin of the word Ayat, the word is common Arabic word that means miracles, and the singular form is Aya and it is feminine and also used a lot in arab countries as names given to the daughters
Thanks