Why no record of prophets in europe,australasia and america?
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This means that you really have no faith and without faith you can't understand Qur'an. You are tallking non sense. All you are doing chaning the simple clear verses of Qur'an to fit your frame of mind.
KGB, God Himself is telling us that his ayaat (including those about Musa, Isa etc) appear in our souls (41/53). So how can it be nonsense?
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Peace be upon you ,
As per al-quraan, I disagree. Al-quraan confirms that these are stories of the past (12/102) but also call them 'ibraat' (12/111).
Elsewhere the stories are decribed as metaphors, so they are nothing but figures whose characters are to be emulated.
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Elsewhere the stories are decribed as metaphors, so they are nothing but figures whose characters are to be emulated.
I'm not disputing their function which I agree you're right. However, I accept al-quraan in totality which means I accept both temporal and extra-temporal aspects of their reality.
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4153 Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?
I don't know the meaning of this verse. I will try to understand because its allegorical verse.
This verse did not say that Allah will raise Kyle to the status of Muhammad. Kyle if belongs to Nation of Islam than I can understand what he is saying.
I follow what is marked in red.
37 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
Kyle is following the allegorical part. You are intelligent enough to know why.
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This verse did not say that Allah will raise Kyle to the status of Muhammad. Kyle if belongs to Nation of Islam than I can understand what he is saying.
Hehe, no it doesn't say that, you're right. KGB, first lets analyse the meaning of 'ayat'. An 'ayat' is an indicator of something. Musa is explained to us via various ayat. In order for us to experience the same situations, we act upon Musa's ayat. Musa is then vivified in our souls, as per 41/53. It's about 'status of musa' but rather the indicators in our own lives about Musa.
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MQuran inshaAllah I will try to undersand this verse. I might ask TG and Ahmed Bahgat to explain it to me.
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KGBMQuran inshaAllah I will try to undersand this verse. I might ask TG and Ahmed Bahgat to explain it to me.
Insha Allah.
Kyle here is one prophet for you right in U.S.A.
A nabi isnt a 'prophet'. A nabi's role is well-defined in al-quraan. Clearly sex offending isnt one of them.
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4153 Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?
I don't know the meaning of this verse. I will try to understand because its allegorical verse.
This verse did not say that Allah will raise Kyle to the status of Muhammad. Kyle if belongs to Nation of Islam than I can understand what he is saying.
I follow what is marked in red.
37 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
Kyle is following the allegorical part. You are intelligent enough to know why.
Bro
what Mquran said regarding the 4153 is not sensible
the non arabs has a problem in taking the word Ayaat always as the verses of the Quran, LOL
the word Ayah means a miracle, and inf act it is borrowed as a metaphore some times to refer to the Quran verses but the fact is, its main meaning is miracles and according to the context of 4153, it has noting to do with the Quran verses other than the last bit when it says until they believe that it is from Allah i.e. after seeing Allah miracles in the horizons (the future) and in ourselves (our bodies as we learn about it) we must know that this creation is not a coincidence rather by a creator and that Creator is the One who authored the Quran and told us in it that He created this, that and everything including us, therefore we must believe that the Quran is from Allah
please bro don't get dragged then mislead under this clear cut case of verse manipulation, when i have more time I will try to elaborate further
Take care
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Peace
If I want to show you the characteristics of a leader, I would show you all the habits, actions, attitude that fits into that category. If I want to tell you about Mahatma Gandhi the leader, I would tell you the good, the bad, and the ugly.
To err is human you're absolutely correct in that. But you yourself say the Mohamed in the quran is not the human, he is a set of actions, deeds, attitude that if emulated will grant the person access to "his" experience. I see a contradiction in your own theory here. Again what is the purpose of adding in mistakes if code-name "Mohamed" is only a code name for a set of characteristics.
Whether you consider the prophets to be archetypes or real people that actually existed, I don't disagree that we should try to strive to live a whole and pure life like them in order to be closer to God as they are. As for the argument that we could reach their level, I don't know that this is even something we can logically discuss. Who are we to judge how close we can be to God? We can only hope and do all that is in our capacity according to each of our own knowledge. As for the final result, it would be really pompous for anyone to pretend they know.
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Salaam Ahmed Baghat
Thank you for explaining this verse. Alhamdulillah have faith in Allah and Qur'an so there is no chance of misguidance by people like Kyle.
Did you not see how powerful the words of Allah are? The simplest verse of Qur'an has exposed Kyle.
Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena
Amzazing and powerful are the words of our Creator.
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ABwhat Mquran said regarding the 4153 is not sensible
Ok. Can you please explain why not?
the non arabs has a problem in taking the word Ayaat always as the verses of the Quran, LOL
So 'ayaat fil afaaq' is when you throw the quran as far as you can into the horizon and 'ayat fil anfus' is when you swallow up verses of the quran as part of your dinner? Nice AB, really nice D
Also, its sad how you typify people as 'arabs' or 'non-arabs'. 'Arabs' think thus and 'non-arabs' think thus.
the word Ayah means a miracle, and inf act it is borrowed as a metaphore some times to refer to the Quran verses but the fact is, its main meaning is miracles and according to the context of 4153, it has noting to do with the Quran verses other than the last bit when it says until they believe that it is from Allah i.e. after seeing Allah miracles in the horizons (the future) and in ourselves (our bodies as we learn about it) we must know that this creation is not a coincidence rather by a creator and that Creator is the One who authored the Quran and told us in it that He created this, that and everything including us, therefore we must believe that the Quran is from Allah
Huh, above you say non-arabs cannot accept ayaat ALWAYS means verses of the Quran! Now you say its miracles. Can you tell me what a 'miracle' is, please ? Is it a miracle to see a ship float on water, for example?
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SoulTo err is human you're absolutely correct in that. But you yourself say the Mohamed in the quran is not the human, he is a set of actions, deeds, attitude that if emulated will grant the person access to "his" experience. I see a contradiction in your own theory here. Again what is the purpose of adding in mistakes if code-name "Mohamed" is only a code name for a set of characteristics.
Can you please show me in the 4 occurences of the word 'muhammad', he is mentioned with respect to a mistake?
Whether you consider the prophets to be archetypes or real people that actually existed, I don't disagree that we should try to strive to live a whole and pure life like them in order to be closer to God as they are. As for the argument that we could reach their level, I don't know that this is even something we can logically discuss. Who are we to judge how close we can be to God? We can only hope and do all that is in our capacity according to each of our own knowledge. As for the final result, it would be really pompous for anyone to pretend they know.
We don't judge, God does. We only observe and follow as best we can.
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ABwhat Mquran said regarding the 4153 is not sensible
Ok. Can you please explain why not?
Becaue how we see the verses of the Quran inside ourselves, we only see the MIRACLES of Allah inside ouserves
the non arabs has a problem in taking the word Ayaat always as the verses of the Quran, LOL
So 'ayaat fil afaaq' is when you throw the quran as far as you can into the horizon and 'ayat fil anfus' is when you swallow up verses of the quran as part of your dinner? Nice AB, really nice
it seems you donlt know what you are talking about so I will ignore the above non sensible comment, it is you who take the Aya as seeing the Quran inside yourselves, do you speak english bro?
Also, its sad how you typify people as 'arabs' or 'non-arabs'. 'Arabs' think thus and 'non-arabs' think thus.
i donlt really care, the fact of is bloody clear, there are arabs and non arabs as there english and non english, what is you problem exactly?
the word Ayah means a miracle, and inf act it is borrowed as a metaphore some times to refer to the Quran verses but the fact is, its main meaning is miracles and according to the context of 4153, it has noting to do with the Quran verses other than the last bit when it says until they believe that it is from Allah i.e. after seeing Allah miracles in the horizons (the future) and in ourselves (our bodies as we learn about it) we must know that this creation is not a coincidence rather by a creator and that Creator is the One who authored the Quran and told us in it that He created this, that and everything including us, therefore we must believe that the Quran is from Allah
Huh, above you say non-arabs cannot accept ayaat ALWAYS means verses of the Quran! Now you say its miracles. Can you tell me what a 'miracle' is, please ? Is it a miracle to see a ship float on water, for example?
of course it is a miracle to see a ship float in the water and also the creation of the human embryo is another miracle, how about the big bang?, wasn't that a miracle or not?
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AB, before I respond to your above post, can you please tell me
- How you understand 41/53 (relative to my nonsensical understanding)
well, i explained how 4153 is understood according to its clear arabic words, regarding your understanding, i thought you mean 4152 is talking about the verses of the Quran (Ayaat) which is 100% wrong, if i thought wrong then I'm sorry, but if I thought right then it is you who have a lot of explnation to do regarding that word "Ayaat"
- What you understand by the word 'ayat' being an Arab.
Thanks.
I don't really care bro what is the origin of the word Ayat, the word is common Arabic word that means miracles, and the singular form is Aya and it is feminine and also used a lot in arab countries as names given to the daughters
Thanks
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ABwell, i explained how 4153 is understood according to its clear arabic words, regarding your understanding, i thought you mean 4152 is talking about the verses of the Quran (Ayaat) which is 100% wrong, if i thought wrong then I'm sorry, but if I thought right then it is you who have a lot of explnation to do regarding that word "Ayaat"
I was talking about 41/53, so yes im afraid you misunderstood. However, 41/52 also speaks about al-quraan, using the word 'kaana' and the pronoun 'hi' in 'bihi'. If you disagree , would you mind explaining why?
I don't really care bro what is the origin of the word Ayat, the word is common Arabic word that means miracles, and the singular form is Aya and it is feminine and also used a lot in arab countries as names given to the daughters
Common Arabic? How nice. Can we talk about UNcommon Arabic, that is the Arabic of al-quraan please? If 'ayat' means 'miracles', can you
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explain what you understand by 'miracles' ? Uncommon events or supernatural events?
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give me an example of 'ayat fil afaaq' as mentioned in 41/53.
thank you )
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ABwell, i explained how 4153 is understood according to its clear arabic words, regarding your understanding, i thought you mean 4152 is talking about the verses of the Quran (Ayaat) which is 100% wrong, if i thought wrong then I'm sorry, but if I thought right then it is you who have a lot of explnation to do regarding that word "Ayaat"
I was talking about 41/53, so yes im afraid you misunderstood.
You damn right I know that you were talking about 4153 here is your comment
KGB, God Himself is telling us that his ayaat (including those about Musa, Isa etc) appear in our souls (41/53). So how can it be nonsense?
now the above is absolutely non sense , how I will see what happened to Moses in my soul?, man you come with some weired idea from another planet sometimes
so now it is clear that your are the one that explained wrong as well misunderstood
However, 41/52 also speaks about al-quraan, using the word 'kaana' and the pronoun 'hi' in 'bihi'. If you disagree , would you mind explaining why?
I didn?t mention 4152 , can you please stop trying to confuse me?, YOU AND ME WERE TALKING ABOUT 4153,
Here is the two verses in arabic
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(53)if 4153 menas by Ayaat the verses of the Quran then the second part of the verse must reflect that and should refer to the Ayaat ?Inaha? not to the Quran ?Inahu?
I don't really care bro what is the origin of the word Ayat, the word is common Arabic word that means miracles, and the singular form is Aya and it is feminine and also used a lot in arab countries as names given to the daughters
Common Arabic? How nice.
How maniulative you are Mquran?, you look professional to me, I didn?t say these two words only I said the word is common Arabic word, now read it again and I?m sure withouot being manipulative you will know that the common was describing the word not the arabic, haha nice try though but very shifty
Can we talk about UNcommon Arabic, that is the Arabic of al-quraan please? If 'ayat' means 'miracles', can you
You can talk with you self this new language you created called uncommon arabic, I only mean a common word mister smart
- explain what you understand by 'miracles' ? Uncommon events or supernatural events?
a Miracle is a miracle
Uncommon events or supernatural events
2. give me an example of 'ayat fil afaaq' as mentioned in 41/53.The knowledge of the big bang, the embryo phases of creation knowledge, all these are miracles that the Quran talked about and was discovered in the Horizons i.e. in the future
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ABYou damn right I know that you were talking about 4153 here is your comment
Did you now? How interesting. Then why did you say i thought you mean 4152 is talking about the verses of the Quran (Ayaat) which is 100% wrong, in reply 113 above?
now the above is absolutely non sense , how I will see what happened to Moses in my soul?, man you come with some weired idea from another planet sometimes
It's certainly not from your planet, I grant you. However, this in itself doesn't make it 'absolutely non sense'. In fact, I'm quite happy to not be on your planet.
so now it is clear that your are the one that explained wrong as well misunderstood
if so, then why did you mention 41/52 above?
I didn?t mention 4152 , can you please stop trying to confuse me?, YOU AND ME WERE TALKING ABOUT 4153,
You did, im afraid, in reply 113i thought you mean 4152 is talking about the verses of the Quran (Ayaat) which is 100% wrong,
now if 4153 menas by Ayaat the verses of the Quran then the second part of the verse must reflect that and should refer to the Ayaat ?Inaha? not to the Quran ?Inahu?
Nonsense. 41/53 begins by saying 'sanoorhim ayaatina FIL AFAAQ wa fil ANFUSIHIM'. If Allah shows AYAAT to you in these 2 places, how can they be ayaat of al-quraan?
How maniulative you are Mquran?, you look professional to me, I didn?t say these two words only I said the word is common Arabic word, now read it again and I?m sure withouot being manipulative you will know that the common was describing the word not the arabic, haha nice try though but very shifty
AB, I couldn't care less for you, your hyberboles or your common arabic nonsense. I'm only responding to you because i'm interested to know why my statement is nonsense. Your only response to that was the 'different planet' comment. That's the limit of your 'professional debator' persona.
a Miracle is a miracle
Uncommon events or supernatural events
I see. So if ayaat are contained in al-quraan and it says things like 'be good to your parents', the next time I'm good to my mum and dad, that's a supernatural event? Shall we call some paranormal investigation team?
The knowledge of the big bang, the embryo phases of creation knowledge, all these are miracles that the Quran talked about and was discovered in the Horizons i.e. in the future
Haha, so you can see the big bang in your AFAAQ and NAFS? That's some afaaq you have there, AB!
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ABYou damn right I know that you were talking about 4153 here is your comment
Did you now? How interesting. Then why did you say i thought you mean 4152 is talking about the verses of the Quran (Ayaat) which is 100% wrong, in reply 113 above?
It seems your english is another thing from another planet like your arabic exactly
now the above is absolutely non sense , how I will see what happened to Moses in my soul?, man you come with some weired idea from another planet sometimes
It's certainly not from your planet, I grant you. However, this in itself doesn't make it 'absolutely non sense'. In fact, I'm quite happy to not be on your planet.
Unfortunatly you live in the same planet that I live in and we will continue to live together on it regradless you like it or not, but I?m sure on the JD we may be worlds apart
so now it is clear that your are the one that explained wrong as well misunderstood
if so, then why did you mention 41/52 above?
obviously you are not smart enough to realize that it was a typo, here is what I said again
well, i explained how 4153 is understood according to its clear arabic words, regarding your understanding, i thought you mean 4152 is talking about the verses of the Quran (Ayaat) which is 100% wrong,
see I was talking about 4153 from the start after in the second instance above it was a mistake, and that is the max you can do just looking for typos and making an issue of it
I was taking about 4153 all along up to my comment above and including that comment above, 4152 above is a clear typo and is obvious from the start of my bolded comment above that I was talking about 4153, can you please stop wasting my time, thanks?
I didn?t mention 4152 , can you please stop trying to confuse me?, YOU AND ME WERE TALKING ABOUT 4153,
You did, im afraid, in reply 113i thought you mean 4152 is talking about the verses of the Quran (Ayaat) which is 100% wrong,
Yeh yeh, well done bro
now if 4153 menas by Ayaat the verses of the Quran then the second part of the verse must reflect that and should refer to the Ayaat ?Inaha? not to the Quran ?Inahu?
Nonsense. 41/53 begins by saying 'sanoorhim ayaatina FIL AFAAQ wa fil ANFUSIHIM'. If Allah shows AYAAT to you in these 2 places, how can they be ayaat of al-quraan?
hehe, the verse says ?Ayatina? Ii,e the Iyaat of Allah, if it was the Ayyat of the Quran it has to be Ayatihu, you lack arabic severely bro
How maniulative you are Mquran?, you look professional to me, I didn?t say these two words only I said the word is common Arabic word, now read it again and I?m sure withouot being manipulative you will know that the common was describing the word not the arabic, haha nice try though but very shifty
AB, I couldn't care less for you, your hyberboles or your common arabic nonsense. I'm only responding to you because i'm interested to know why my statement is nonsense. Your only response to that was the 'different planet' comment. That's the limit of your 'professional debator' persona.
Haha mate, again you must be from another planet
a Miracle is a miracle
Uncommon events or supernatural events
I see. So if ayaat are contained in al-quraan and it says things like 'be good to your parents', the next time I'm good to my mum and dad, that's a supernatural event? Shall we call some paranormal investigation team?
I don?t know what you are talking about, that is why I don?t like discussing anything with ya, you just waste my time really, you sound from a different planet to me, and I mean the planet of non common sense which is your planet
The knowledge of the big bang, the embryo phases of creation knowledge, all these are miracles that the Quran talked about and was discovered in the Horizons i.e. in the future
Haha, so you can see the big bang in your AFAAQ and NAFS? That's some afaaq you have there, AB!
the Affaq means the future mister smart, not the horizon
good night as I don?t have more time to waste
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ABIt seems your english is another thing from another planet like your arabic exactly
Did you or did you not say i thought you mean 4152 is talking about the verses of the Quran (Ayaat) which is 100% wrong, in reply 113 above?
If you did, then it was you who introduced 41/52 into the discussion. Be honest enough to admit it, please.
Unfortunatly you live in the same planet that I live in and we will continue to live together on it regradless you like it or not, but I?m sure on the JD we may be worlds apart
You're sure that we may be worlds apart? Sure and may? Sorry, but in English, that's nonsense. If you're certain of something, that precludes probability
obviously you are not smart enough to realize that it was a typo, here is what I said again
Good, so it was your mistake. I don't like to assume anything, AB. I take Quranic discussion seriously.
see I was talking about 4153 from the start after in the second instance above it was a mistake, and that is the max you can do just looking for typos and making an issue of it
I really wasn't. I thought you were using 41/52 as a platform for understanding 41/53. I'm not interested in your petty and childish games, I'm afraid.
hehe, the verse says ?Ayatina? Ii,e the Iyaat of Allah, if it was the Ayyat of the Quran it has to be Ayatihu, you lack arabic severely bro
I see. So the ayaat of al-quraan are NOT the ayaat of Allah? Whose ayaat are they then? As for 'lacking Arabic severely' if being like yourself means having beliefs like 'parts of al-quraan are history', then I think you have things backward. You can keep your Arabist tendencies. I don't need your racism to understand al-quraan.
I don?t know what you are talking about, that is why I don?t like discussing anything with ya, you just waste my time really, you sound from a different planet to me, and I mean the planet of non common sense which is your planet
Well if you don't like to explain yourself, don't. Save us all a lot of time. I actually thought you had something substantial to say but guess nothing's changed.
the Affaq means the future mister smart, not the horizon
LOL, nice one. Can you prove this please. The word 'ufk' is used in 53/7 to mean horizon. Please show me where it means 'future'. Or are you seeing big bangs in your soul now ?