who is a messenger of God?
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KGBCan you please provide proof that Qur'an is not Allah revelation to Prophet Muhammad (SAW)?
No I can't because I'm not asserting that it isn't. Here's how I view al-quraan
- I am born into the world
- I encounter certain things.
- One of those things is a book with ayaat (ayat - that which refers to something beyond itself)
- These ayaat convince me that this book is from Allah.
This book would have been revealed before me, long before me for the first time. But I don't know the name of the receipient. History calls him 'Muhammad ibn Abdullah'. Ok, I don't mind using that but I wont stick by it. Its history to me.
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MQuran its not history which is calling him Prophet Muhmmad (SAW). Its the clear verses of Qur'an the words which are the clear proof of Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
You are trying to take certain words from these ayat and try to run away with it with your and Kyle's (Idolfree) understanding which is very dangerous because you two will be misguiding God knows how many who are visiting this forum.
Can you veryify each and every word of Qur'an? Certainly not. You have to believe in the words of Allah as they are in clear verses.
PS If anybody get offended by writing SAW with Prophet Muhammed name than I am willing to change it to Peace be upon him if English words you find more acceptable.
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Not me dear KGB, peace be upon all servants of Allah....................
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Peace be upon you KGB,
MQuran its not history which is calling him Prophet Muhmmad (SAW). Its the clear verses of Qur'an the words which are the clear proof of Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Show one example of the PHRASE "Prophet Muhammad" )
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Peace be upon you Kyle
4829 Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.
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7158 Say,
O mankind! Indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no god except Him, He gives life and causes death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believes in Allah and His Words, and follow him so that you may be guided.Al Nabi Al UmiAnybody who do not believe in Muhammad (SAW) was the Prophet and Messager of Allah is not a believer (kafir). This is what Qur'an clear verses teaches me. This is no my judgement.
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Peace KGB. Im sorry my friend...This is your judgement of the verse....Dont speak on behalf of allah please...This is the mistake that some on this forum make....Speaking on 'behalf' of god with,such certainty....
Can you guarantee that in two years time you wont change your mind on your interpretation of this verse?...If you do change your mind,then just consider the offense and/or harm you might have caused by wrongly branding people as non-believers...
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Peace be upon you KGB,
Instead of giving me a verse that does not fulfill my request, it is just best to say that it cannot be done. I will put my request here again.
YOU said
MQuran its not history which is calling him Prophet Muhmmad (SAW). Its the clear verses of Qur'an the words which are the clear proof of Prophet Muhammad (SAW).To which I said
Show one example of the PHRASE "Prophet Muhammad"
Then you gave a verse that DOES NOT say "prophet Muhammad".
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Peace be upon you KGB,
What are you talking about?
Mumammed is the Apostle of Allah. You started playing your usual word game changing the meaing. Would you accept Mohammed as Allah Apostle and Messager if I start writing it Apostle Muhammed (SAW)?
Lets make it easy, just underline the phrase "Prophet Muhammad" so I can see it clearly.
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Peace be upon you Kyle
Thats what I did Muhammad Rasool Allah. Verse 4829.
LOL bro
that was a good one
cheers
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Peace be upon you,
And which word is "Prophet"?
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wow
there is a game of words going in here
I have to watch that game, I like games of words
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Peace be upon you Kyle
No matter how much proof I will give you from Qur'an you will not believe it. You may be a nice decent person but according to Qur'an you can't be a Muslim.
3340 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum walakin rasoola Allahi wakhatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shayin AAaleeman
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Peace be upon you Kyle
One more for you. WIll you believe?
3144 Muhammad is no more than an apostle many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.
Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun qad khalat min qablihi alrrusulu afain mata aw qutila inqalabtum AAala aAAqabikum waman yanqalib AAala AAaqibayhi falan yadurra Allaha shayan wasayajzee Allahu alshshakireena
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MQuran its not history which is calling him Prophet Muhmmad (SAW). Its the clear verses of Qur'an the words which are the clear proof of Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
You are trying to take certain words from these ayat and try to run away with it with your and Kyle's (Idolfree) understanding which is very dangerous because you two will be misguiding God knows how many who are visiting this forum.
Sorry but no. I'm not taking 'certain words'. This is a mistake which I take great pains to avoid and I will be happy if you show me where I am doing so so I can correct myself. I make sure I read ayaat in context and the 4 times where 'muhammad' occurs, it doesnt speak of a historical event. Ayaat of al-quraan are living.
Can you veryify each and every word of Qur'an? Certainly not. You have to believe in the words of Allah as they are in clear verses.
Of course we can. 41/53 please. The ayaat of al-quraan are manifest in our realities now and forever. Al-quraan has a complete grip of the human being.
PS If anybody get offended by writing SAW with Prophet Muhammed name than I am willing to change it to Peace be upon him if English words you find more acceptable.
I respect your honouring of Muhammad ibn Abdullah. Call him as you believe, please don't worry about me, at least.