who is a messenger of God?
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You've never been informed of truth by someone else? There are messenger all around us and within us. If someone tells you not to smoke, thats a messenger.
Quranically, that's a mursal because I've never met a guy who totally practises the book and is on a movement, which is a rasool.
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Peace
I've never met a guy who totally practises the book and is on a movement
True. I have not either.
Joe
And neither were any mystical/philosophical men or the "wisdom quoters/writers".
There are messenger all around us and within us. If someone tells you not to smoke, thats a messenger.
Agree with you here. My understanding is that a 'prophet' (nabi) is a mystical/philosophical person who initiates/advocates a message and all those who believe in his message and further spreads them, become messengers (rasul).
mystical Of or having a spiritual reality or import not apparent to the intelligence or senses.
Of, relating to, or stemming from direct communion with ultimate reality or God.philosopher a wise person who is calm and rational; someone who lives a life of reason with equanimity.
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Peace Kyle,
If someone tells you not to smoke, thats a messenger.
By the way, if a "nabi" smokes and tells others not to, would the "rasul" do the same? Just curious to know your answer. Thanks.
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Peace be upon you Danish, Nabi, and MQ,
Danish I agree, none can claim that they are free from error. We have several examples from the stories in this reading to confirm that understanding.
MQ, please elaborate on the concept of "mursal".
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Peace be upon you Danish,
By the way, if a "nabi" smokes and tells others not to, would the "rasul" do the same? Just curious to know your answer. Thanks
Interesting question. The "rasul" would definately repeat the correct message of the "nabi" by definition, but as far as thier actions, I could see the rasul making the error more readily than the nabi, just because to get to the level of intution(nabi), you have to develop your character to a high degree. This involves rendering your positive behavior AUTOMATIC. A message can be spread just by speech, the actions dont necessarily have to follow, but should.
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Peace be upon you MQ,
Mursal is just one who passes on a message, a message carrier. Same root as rasul if you noticed.
Please elaborate on the differences that you have understood for me. Also, what is your response to the statement that messengers are not perfect people?
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Peace,
there is no definition for mursal in English on google/define, but there is one in Spanish that I'd translate as
Mursal One Hadit in which the ultimate authority in its isn?d is a t?bi??, in which the name of the Companion who hear it from the Prophet doesn't appear.
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Peace be upon you all,
The verse is 363
- Surely you are from the messengers (almursaleena)
MQ, how do you understand this?
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Peace be upon you Danish,
By the way, if a "nabi" smokes and tells others not to, would the "rasul" do the same? Just curious to know your answer. Thanks
Interesting question. The "rasul" would definately repeat the correct message of the "nabi" by definition, but as far as thier actions, I could see the rasul making the error more readily than the nabi, just because to get to the level of intution(nabi), you have to develop your character to a high degree. This involves rendering your positive behavior AUTOMATIC. A message can be spread just by speech, the actions dont necessarily have to follow, but should.
Certainly and agreed so far. Now, if the rasul obeys nabi's message to not to smoke and also knows that the nabi smokes, then what good is the message and how would that intuit a rasul to nabi's stature?
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Darbari does Koran say that Muhammad is a PROPHET ? no . according to the Koran, Muhammad is a messenger of Allah and SEAL of the prophets , not a PROPHET himself . what do u ppl think ?
Well, the facts are
- Muhammad is Rasulullah (48/29)
- 49/2-3 uses the word 'an-nabiy' and 'rasulullah' interchangably.
Therefore, Muhammad must be a 'nabi' as well as 'khatamun nabiyeen'.
that is because a nabi is also a rasool , but a rasool is not necessarily a nabi . and Muhammad is called only a rasool , so he is not necessarily a nabi .
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that is because a nabi is also a rasool , but a rasool is not necessarily a nabi . and Muhammad is called only a rasool , so he is not necessarily a nabi
Bhai, I dont think ur reading the above ayaat carefully. An an-nabi is a rasulullah, so Muhammad must be an an-nabi.
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Peace be upon you MQ,
Just that the reader is one of those who carry the message.
No, I agree to that, but what I meant was how do you see "mursal" in relation to "rasul" is it not the same word in a different form? If not how do you see the differnce between them?
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Peace be upon you Danish,
Certainly and agreed so far. Now, if the rasul obeys nabi's message to not to smoke and also knows that the nabi smokes, then what good is the message
The mesage is 100% good because the rasul will benefit from the good health of following that message and so wll anyone who follows such verifyable information, as well as the "nabi".
and how would that intuit a rasul to nabi's stature?
I do not understand that question, please rephrase.
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KyleNo, I agree to that, but what I meant was how do you see "mursal" in relation to "rasul" is it not the same word in a different form? If not how do you see the differnce between them?
A mursal is one who carries the message but a rasool becomes the message. He's actively the living message.
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the idea is new to me . got it from Shaikh . just trying to confirm if it is right .
that is because a nabi is also a rasool , but a rasool is not necessarily a nabi . and Muhammad is called only a rasool , so he is not necessarily a nabi
Bhai, I dont think ur reading the above ayaat carefully. An an-nabi is a rasulullah, so Muhammad must be an an-nabi.
is Muhammad the only rasool of Allah mentioned in the Koran ? Koran mentions , i think , 19 prophets by name . all those prophets are also messengers . why wouldnt Allah mention Muhammad and nabi together anywhere in the Koran , if Muhammad is one of the prophets ?
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this thread is confusing man
Here is what I believe is right
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Every nabi is a Rasool and not every Rasool is a Nabi
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A Rasool MUST BE SENT by someone to deliver a a message hence Rasool is also Mursal, I challlenge any one to prove otherwise, Mursal means someone who is sent, i,e, all Rasools are Mursaleen becaue all of them were sent by Allah
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Mohaammad was called Nabi zillions of times in the Quran, therefore Mohammad is a Nabi and a Rasool
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the word Khatim, means two things, end and completion, therefore Mohammad is the last Nabi
Salam
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