who is a messenger of God?
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I have never held the view that there would be no more messengers after Mohammed...From my reading of the Scripture, it is a certainty to continue until J-day.
Oh ok. Well, if you meet one (or are indeed one yourself), please let me know. I'm seriously looking for rusul to pledge my allegiance to.
As for Shareef, I rejected his claims because all that he said contradicted the guidelines that were give to us by God...His claim was centered around himself and people acknowledging him rather than focussing on God Alone which is what a true messenger would convey...His attitude/arrogance did not convey God's teachings...Hie did not even know who he was supposed to be a messenger to (was it to the arabs, to the english, to his people, etc..)...Shareef is delusional at best, mentally disturbed at worst.
Ok. Well, I'm not sure if a messenger is limited to a particular race. I understand 'qaum' to be people who're established together (like qaumil kafireen) and not a racial group.
I didnt have a chance to ask Shareef much, he was always defensive.
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Peace be upon you,
does Koran say that Muhammad is a PROPHET ? no . according to the Koran, Muhammad is a messenger of Allah and SEAL of the prophets , not a PROPHET himself . what do u ppl think ?
It never says "muhammad" is a prophet because all of the prophets are "muhammadun", meaning one has to attain the state of "hamd" to intuit God's wisdom.
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Peace be upon you MQ,
Oh ok. Well, if you meet one (or are indeed one yourself), please let me know. I'm seriously looking for rusul to pledge my allegiance to.
You've never been informed of truth by someone else? There are messenger all around us and within us. If someone tells you not to smoke, thats a messenger.
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You've never been informed of truth by someone else? There are messenger all around us and within us. If someone tells you not to smoke, thats a messenger.
Quranically, that's a mursal because I've never met a guy who totally practises the book and is on a movement, which is a rasool.
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Peace
I've never met a guy who totally practises the book and is on a movement
True. I have not either.
Joe
And neither were any mystical/philosophical men or the "wisdom quoters/writers".
There are messenger all around us and within us. If someone tells you not to smoke, thats a messenger.
Agree with you here. My understanding is that a 'prophet' (nabi) is a mystical/philosophical person who initiates/advocates a message and all those who believe in his message and further spreads them, become messengers (rasul).
mystical Of or having a spiritual reality or import not apparent to the intelligence or senses.
Of, relating to, or stemming from direct communion with ultimate reality or God.philosopher a wise person who is calm and rational; someone who lives a life of reason with equanimity.
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Peace Kyle,
If someone tells you not to smoke, thats a messenger.
By the way, if a "nabi" smokes and tells others not to, would the "rasul" do the same? Just curious to know your answer. Thanks.
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Peace be upon you Danish, Nabi, and MQ,
Danish I agree, none can claim that they are free from error. We have several examples from the stories in this reading to confirm that understanding.
MQ, please elaborate on the concept of "mursal".
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Peace be upon you Danish,
By the way, if a "nabi" smokes and tells others not to, would the "rasul" do the same? Just curious to know your answer. Thanks
Interesting question. The "rasul" would definately repeat the correct message of the "nabi" by definition, but as far as thier actions, I could see the rasul making the error more readily than the nabi, just because to get to the level of intution(nabi), you have to develop your character to a high degree. This involves rendering your positive behavior AUTOMATIC. A message can be spread just by speech, the actions dont necessarily have to follow, but should.
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Peace be upon you MQ,
Mursal is just one who passes on a message, a message carrier. Same root as rasul if you noticed.
Please elaborate on the differences that you have understood for me. Also, what is your response to the statement that messengers are not perfect people?
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Peace,
there is no definition for mursal in English on google/define, but there is one in Spanish that I'd translate as
Mursal One Hadit in which the ultimate authority in its isn?d is a t?bi??, in which the name of the Companion who hear it from the Prophet doesn't appear.
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Peace be upon you all,
The verse is 363
- Surely you are from the messengers (almursaleena)
MQ, how do you understand this?
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Peace be upon you Danish,
By the way, if a "nabi" smokes and tells others not to, would the "rasul" do the same? Just curious to know your answer. Thanks
Interesting question. The "rasul" would definately repeat the correct message of the "nabi" by definition, but as far as thier actions, I could see the rasul making the error more readily than the nabi, just because to get to the level of intution(nabi), you have to develop your character to a high degree. This involves rendering your positive behavior AUTOMATIC. A message can be spread just by speech, the actions dont necessarily have to follow, but should.
Certainly and agreed so far. Now, if the rasul obeys nabi's message to not to smoke and also knows that the nabi smokes, then what good is the message and how would that intuit a rasul to nabi's stature?
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Darbari does Koran say that Muhammad is a PROPHET ? no . according to the Koran, Muhammad is a messenger of Allah and SEAL of the prophets , not a PROPHET himself . what do u ppl think ?
Well, the facts are
- Muhammad is Rasulullah (48/29)
- 49/2-3 uses the word 'an-nabiy' and 'rasulullah' interchangably.
Therefore, Muhammad must be a 'nabi' as well as 'khatamun nabiyeen'.
that is because a nabi is also a rasool , but a rasool is not necessarily a nabi . and Muhammad is called only a rasool , so he is not necessarily a nabi .
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that is because a nabi is also a rasool , but a rasool is not necessarily a nabi . and Muhammad is called only a rasool , so he is not necessarily a nabi
Bhai, I dont think ur reading the above ayaat carefully. An an-nabi is a rasulullah, so Muhammad must be an an-nabi.
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Peace be upon you MQ,
Just that the reader is one of those who carry the message.
No, I agree to that, but what I meant was how do you see "mursal" in relation to "rasul" is it not the same word in a different form? If not how do you see the differnce between them?
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Peace be upon you Danish,
Certainly and agreed so far. Now, if the rasul obeys nabi's message to not to smoke and also knows that the nabi smokes, then what good is the message
The mesage is 100% good because the rasul will benefit from the good health of following that message and so wll anyone who follows such verifyable information, as well as the "nabi".
and how would that intuit a rasul to nabi's stature?
I do not understand that question, please rephrase.