Do people before the advent of Islam go to heaven?
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37 telling us that NO ONE will be able to understand those verses or only the ones with knowledge?
No, the verse clearly states, only God knows AND the people with knowledge...
peace arnoldyasin,
Ahmed Baghat thinks it says something different.
and KGB, can you please stop trying to vilify me and take part in this discussion? answer some of my questions maybe? I'm not just doing this for fun. I'm doing this to learn, and if you can't help me, don't.
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Phoenix thats what I did with patience the problem is that you don't pay attention. The words of Allah (SWT) very clearly told us that people who don't have faith in Him will never be able to understand the message. Simple and easy when you don't believe that these are the words of Allah (SWT) than you will not be able to understand His message.
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peace KGB,
frankly, that makes no sense. At all.
How can we believe in something that doesn't make sense?
Even the Christians don't use that excuse to promote their bible.
They can always say "The bible doesn't make sense to you because you don't believe Jesus was God. You have to have faith in Jesus to understand the bible."
I have nothing against the Quran, but people's understandings need to change. -
Phoenix
It is Allah (SWT) who provide guidance. Not me not Ahmed Bahgat.
27 Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
16108 Those are they whose hearts, ears, and eyes Allah has sealed up, and they take no heed.
1074 Then after him We sent (many) apostles to their peoples they brought them Clear Signs, but they would not believe what they had already rejected beforehand. Thus do We seal the hearts of the transgressors.
Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Budhism are not my subject and I really don't interferre or mock their beliefs. They have the God given right to believe what they like to believe.
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I give up. After analyzing very carefully what you are posting on the forum my conclusion is that you are here to create mischief on the forum not for sincere learning. I always ignored you and choose not to have any discussion with you or your kinds on the forum. Ahmed Bahgat advice me to keep engage with you which sure is not working.
Sadiqi Ahmed Bahgat I tried. )
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Peace,
People have to be openminded. I started to believe in the Quran because of the language itself. I didn't approach it as if it were from God, but i kept my mind open. So what KGB says is not totaly true, as mine first thought was only being open minded, i hadn't decided yet if it was from God or not. So it was my open mind that gave me access to the Quran, not my immediate believe that it was from God.
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Ok. Disagreement is not problem in interpretation of Qur'an verses. I am always open to accept the logical better explanation of Qur'an.
Thank you Arnold Yasin. Peace.
- And had We made it a non-Arabic reading/"quran", they would have said "Had only its signs been detailed in non-Arabic and Arabic". Say "For those who had faith, it is a guide and healing. As for those who do not have faith there is deafness in their ears and it is blindness on them. These will be called from a place far away." Thanks to Ayman for posting this verse in other thread
271 These are verses of the Qur'an,-a book that makes (things) clear;
272 A guide and glad tidings for the believers,-
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Peace,
People have to be openminded. I started to believe in the Quran because of the language itself. I didn't approach it as if it were from God, but i kept my mind open. So what KGB says is not totaly true, as mine first thought was only being open minded, i hadn't decided yet if it was from God or not. So it was my open mind that gave me access to the Quran, not my immediate believe that it was from God.
Peace arnoldyasin, I agree. It's all about opening your mind.
The rejectors are the ones who ignore the signs and close their hearts and minds to the truth.
There are billions of people who believe the quran is authored by God, yet the majority of those people are rejectors themselves. -
Peace
I did see that but it is waste of time try to explain something to someone who do not believe that Qur'an is the divine revelations of Allah (SWT).
Mate
I advice that you convey the message then messure the ego and intelligence scale of the replys of your opponent, A Quran submitter should easily identify the hopeless cases through those two scales, and sure I donlt waste my time with hopeless cases
cheers
Sadiqi Ahmed Bahgat. He did reach to this level. Waste of time in my own judgement.
Man
I had enough of some people here Sadiqi, this is gettin boring, so I will be a watcher for a while and just enjoy some non sense that I read here
look at the example posted by Arnold who claimes to understand the Quran well, he cut 37 short to suit his flawed understanding regarding 37, well I issue the challenge to him to prove that 37 says the knwledgeable people will crack the meaning of the Mutshabihat verses, i hope he will not have a runner this time
another example is phonix, look how he insist on thinking that Allah and His message should be linked together
far out bro, may Allah be with them
cheers
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peace Ahmed,
I don't appreciate it when you don't answer my questions. If i am wrong, instead of just pointing that out, please give me an explanation.He is the One who sent down to you the Scripture, from which there are firm verses; they are the essence of the Scripture; and others which are similar to each other. As for those who have disease in their hearts, they will follow what is similar from it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God and those who are well founded in knowledge, they Say "We believe in it, all is from our Lord." And none will remember except the people of understanding.
and arnoldyasin can never prove that to you because no matter what explanation he offers, you will always claim that it is wrong. So such a challenge is pointless.
Why don't we discuss 37, then?
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Here is the 37 challenge to Arnold
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5840.0
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peace Ahmed,
I don't appreciate it when you don't answer my questions. If i am wrong, instead of just pointing that out, please give me an explanation.Peace bro
I will answer it, I'm sorry I just waked up and going through the quick responses then I will have a shower and take my son for the sunday driving hour then I will come back to your comment
Why don't we discuss 37, then?
Please join us in the above link and I will be very intersetd to tell me what do you think
cheers
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Peace,
I don't claim to know the Quran well. I do my best to understand it, nothing more. Don't put words in my mouth. And please AB, why would God send verses without us ever to understand them? The Quran is to guide us, not to give us a new game called 'let's find the Mutshabihat verses'. All verses are meant to be understood by humans as it was send to mankind, to say that some verses are only understood by God is nonsensical. There are unlimited things that only God understands, why put some in a book that is made to guide us? That is my approach to this verse, which holds more water then just saying only God knows what some verses mean. God doesn't play tricks with us.
Peace
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Peace bro
I will answer it, I'm sorry I just waked up and going through the quick responses then I will have a shower and take my son for the sunday driving hour then I will come back to your comment
Quote from phoenix1 on Today at 122724 PM
Why don't we discuss 37, then?Please join us in the above link and I will be very intersetd to tell me what do you think
cheers
Thank you.
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Peace,
I don't claim to know the Quran well. I do my best to understand it, nothing more. Don't put words in my mouth. And please AB, why would God send verses without us ever to understand them? The Quran is to guide us, not to give us a new game called 'let's find the Mutshabihat verses'. All verses are meant to be understood by humans as it was send to mankind, to say that some verses are only understood by God is nonsensical. There are unlimited things that only God understands, why put some in a book that is made to guide us? That is my approach to this verse, which holds more water then just saying only God knows what some verses mean. God doesn't play tricks with us.
Peace
Bro
it is not a trick if it was told in advance
if it was not told then I agree with you that it is a trick
please respond to my comment on the other thread I raised for you
cheers
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Peace,
When i have done more research, i will respond. But i'm not an expert in arabic, i just know certain things. But like i told above, my logic is my approach to the Quran.
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Salaam Ahmed Bahgat
Thank you for detailed explation of 37. There is too much confusion regarding Qur'an verses because everybody is trying to prove that they are the only ones who had understand the Qur'an. Shabbir Ahmed is one of the internet scholar who has the same views as Arnold Yasin that why Allah (SWT) will send something which is not understood by humans.
PS Arnold also keep in mind Shabbir Ahmed QXP is not word for word transalation of Qur'an. He has included lot of his own understanding in QXP.