Please Help Me.
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VE The matter is that they are stucked in their own trap. They dont have any means to explain who was AbuLahab and what did he do.
To find out what wrong he did, they refer to see the rest of Quran, This is rediculous.Ridiculous to you, sure because you have rejected al-quraan. Al-quraan clearly calls itself 'ahsanal hadith kitaaban mutashabihan mathany' (the best news/narration , a book with similarities repeated'. Therefore, to understand al-quraan, one would do well to refer to other parts of it. Abu Lahab is simply in arabic as 'the father of the flame'. One doesn't need to refer to hadith/sunna/seera in order to get more detail of the man. Rather , one needs to appropriate his lesson. It's sad that sunnis treat al-quraan as if it was a book of history.
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VE The matter is that they are stucked in their own trap. They dont have any means to explain who was AbuLahab and what did he do.
To find out what wrong he did, they refer to see the rest of Quran, This is rediculous.Ridiculous to you, sure because you have rejected al-quraan. Al-quraan clearly calls itself 'ahsanal hadith kitaaban mutashabihan mathany' (the best news/narration , a book with similarities repeated'. Therefore, to understand al-quraan, one would do well to refer to other parts of it. Abu Lahab is simply in arabic as 'the father of the flame'. One doesn't need to refer to hadith/sunna/seera in order to get more detail of the man. Rather , one needs to appropriate his lesson. It's sad that sunnis treat al-quraan as if it was a book of history.
Certainly one would refer to other parts of quran to understand over all. But with some starting point or clue....
Its not like that ,,,when you dont understand a single thing who was AbuLahab and what did he do....you just say read rest of Quran.For instance , If I write a book and I write an article "A", I explain something for some purpose, I have include some article for some reason, I will not say "Read the rest of book and this article is just extra without any reason. So you can read the rest of book to get expertise" ..................Certainly the read will ask me, then what the hell is this article doing in your book if it just refers to the rest of book.
To make you more comfortable... I ask
WHAT IS SPECIAL IN THAT SURAH IF WE HAVE TO JUST ASSUME THAT WE SHOULD JUST READ REST OF QURAN.???
ALLAH REVEALED ALL THE MESSAGE TELLING EACH AND EVERYTHING IN DIFFERNT WAYS,,,THEN HE INCLUDED AN EXTRA SURAH WHICH ITSELF HAS NOT MEANING???VirtualEye.
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VE Certainly one would refer to other parts of quran to understand over all. But with some starting point or clue....
Good for you. You've done some thinking, masha Allah. The starting point in the clear Arabic language which al-quraan will filter through its internal process.
Its not like that ,,,when you dont understand a single thing who was AbuLahab and what did he do....you just say read rest of Quran.
All I need to know about Abu Lahab is in the clear Arabic language
- Abu Lahab is the father of flame.
- Allah tells a person of that personality to PERISH.
- His wife is be carrying the fuel. What does fuel to do a flame?
- Her own neck is tied to that act. Showing her own inability to change.
The lessons is in this chapter is immense. Why would I need to look into history to find some details which Allah didn't see fit to include? You need to ask yourself, did Allah's publisher ask him to shorten the book to meet printer demands! Obviously Al-quraan, if you believe it's from Allah, is purposeful in its inclusions AND in its exclusions.
WHAT IS SPECIAL IN THAT SURAH IF WE HAVE TO JUST ASSUME THAT WE SHOULD JUST READ REST OF QURAN.
ALLAH REVEALED ALL THE MESSAGE TELLING EACH AND EVERYTHING IN DIFFERNT WAYS,,,THEN HE INCLUDED AN EXTRA SURAH WHICH ITSELF HAS NOT MEANING???We have to keep reading al-quraan if we believe. This is because al-quraan's revelation upon us is continuous. I haven't witnessed a person like Abu Lahab in my life before but when I do, it will be clearer to me.
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Please refer to this thread
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5683.0
VE
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Peace,
he, mr.silly arguments, where are your answers? You keep shouting we have silly arguments, but you keep rejecting to answer mine, i only see playing though guy....
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Peace be upon you all,
Lets all race each other to good deeds and righteousness and be symbols of this message we are debating. Lets not fall into the trap of name calling thus giving support to others.
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Yes, you are right..... sorry VE...peace
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Peace VE
This is a very good TOOL, that if you dont understand the real context of the Surah/verse directly condemning and cursing a person,,, then just refer to the rest of Quran as generally telling what is wrong and write. Very interesting.
Yes, the Lord repeats the messages that one may grasp them. As far as your initial sincerity goes it seems that you have abondoned it to condemn.
Then how come this person AbuLahab is directly being cursed fromt the start of surah?
You asked that people give an explanation using the reading, but you are now seeking an explanation from historical sources outside the reading. Which is it that you are asking for? You seem to be frustrated when one is not bringing an outside source to explain this particular hadeeth and then when someone does cite some historical source you say why are you not using the reading. Are you playing games, or is this what you call sincerity on your part?
Anyway I think my arguments here are of no use.
Why argue when you have asked something of the people in all sincerity?
You have turned around and bit just about everyone on the ass who has given you some sort of anwer.
You people can do anything and give any rubbish logics to get rid of any historical and/or Ahadith knowledge.
You did not ask of this in your sincere opening declaration. Why are you worrying about this particular thing now?
You people have changed the meaning of each and every verse of Quran just to justify that we dont need any additional knowledge.
You people? Why generalize? I do not think the reading is the only fount of knowledge in this world.
I assume if your motive is true then you must not have even learned any language from your parents and Allah would have revealed all the TRUTH on you directly,,,,because as you people think that Allah guides us directly if we want.
You trying to insult people kills your proposed sincerity.
I hereby quit this discussion considering that I am not enough to answer a dozen people just alone myself.
You sought to recieve answers in your preliminary post and clearly you really sought to give them. So much for your sincerity VE.
Joe
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peace
how come no responses to AB post?
BTW Great find on the connection of those two stories ABsalam
God Bless
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peace
how come no responses to AB post?
BTW Great find on the connection of those two stories ABsalam
God Bless
Cheers man, I discovered it on the same day i posted my comment with the help of Allah
Peace
