You follow G-d or a book?
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la elaha ella Allah ...
Relax please all.
In regards to Christians calling God Allah, Allah is the Arabic word for God so Arabic speaking Christians, Muslims and Jews would use the word Allah. Although the more preferred term is RAB (Lord) for Arab Christians, which is also what we use so no difference. That's very interesting that Indonesian Christians use Allah as well! Perhaps they were converted by Arab Christian missionaries? Do you know? Just curiousInteresting also how Muslim Indonesians came up with that... that spells Allah in arabic in a weird way
El-Aziz I think I speak for all, even AhmedBahgat when I say all monotheists are most welcome to this website - so welcome. I think you two misunderstood each other somehow. start over lol
Peace -
Salam all
Indonesian Christians call GOD Allah, use the word 'Jema?t' for Congregation and 'al-Kitab' for the Bible. The Early Indonesian Christians were Converted by First ...The Portugeese , The Spanish , Dutch and English Colonialists and their Missionaries.
The Arab Merchants/ Refugees Gave Indonesia Sunnism and wahabism
Peace
almarh0m
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Salam almarhom
Thanks for that info ! So do you think the Indonesian Christians were converted from sunnism to christianity and hence kept some terminology? That's the only other explanation i could think of ... hmm interesting indeedcheck out the new smiley jedi lol
just felt like trying itPeace All
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Salam Soul
Prior to the Advent of Islam and Christianity, Indonesia ( as we know it now) were largely Hindus and Animists. The earliest Credible Record of Islam in the Archipelago was no more than 600 years old.....The Javenese People to this day still Use Sangskrete Names as The Indians eventhough they are Nominally Muslims.
You may be surprised to find Out that Qur?n/ God Alone Muslims in Indonesia Predated Rashad Khalifa and Free-Mind by a few Hundred Years. I never Knew about other Hadiths apart from the Qur?n. We have always Called the Qur?n Hadiths ( as one of the many names of The Qur?n). I became aware about The Other Hadiths in my Twenties......and the 5 Times a Day Salat were never Compulsory in our Community.
Cheers
almarh0m
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Salaam Almarh0m,
You may be surprised to find Out that Qur?n/ God Alone Muslims in Indonesia Predated Rashad Khalifa and Free-Mind by a few Hundred Years. I never Knew about other Hadiths apart from the Qur?n. We have always Called the Qur?n Hadiths ( as one of the many names of The Qur?n). I became aware about The Other Hadiths in my Twenties......and the 5 Times a Day Salat were never Compulsory in our Community.
Bro, komunitas Sunni mana yang gak mewajibkan shalat 5 waktu di Indo? Just curious. Soale hampir kemanapun gw pergi, selama itu komunitas Sunni, 5 waktu itu udah harga mati ;D
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Salam Adley
Ever been to South Sulawesi , and particularly the Old Kingdom of Gowa? There is Even a Big Municipality Populated Exlusively by People who called themselves Decendants of Nabi Muhammad.....the Place is called "Cikoang". My own family were neither Sunni nor Shia?h or Wahabi...We are Muslims but the 5 Times Salat is never regarded as Important But remeberance of God and his Law is Paramount. alcohol was never Haram for us , getting Drunk is... ;D
Indonesia is so Big bro, we can never learn everything about its people and I have been back there about 30 times It just go to show that , we can learn new things every day.
Salam and Cheers
almarh0m
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Salaam,
Wow! Thanks for this new info bro! And yes, I've never been to South Sulawesi. I've been in chats with a Muslim from Sulawesi in a mailing-list, but she never mentioned Cikoang and its unique atmosphere ;D So I just found about this today ;D
Learn new things everyday eh? Agree to that
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El-Aziz,
Anyone interested in the nature of G-d knows that the sensation thereof is a relative one and beyond something that a book can ever speak of. This is a phenomena that the Koran also denotes.
Could please clarify what you mean, with a verse or two? Thanks.My experience of the Lord is something I can write about whilst it is nearly impossible to mediate 100% this experience to someone else by may it be pictures, words, spoken language etc...
Agreed 100%. Your words or mine would have little or no effect to others when talking of experiences. The God's words however... )G-d has caused many great individuals to write about it, and to write about others who have had this experience. Though we can never fully grasp what G-d is but on our own. To comprehend others' vision is simply not to see it by yourself. Nor is to read a recipe never actually to eat the dish, or watching an image of a fruit is not actualy touching it.
Again, others have written in their own words, their experiences, and I have learnt a lot from such books, but as you point out, that is not to be confused with the experience itself.Seek G-d with the help of others, meet G-d yourself
Well said. This does, in no way, discount God's words though.Peace and blessing be upon you.
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Hello Zenje,
El-Aziz,
Anyone interested in the nature of G-d knows that the sensation thereof is a relative one and beyond something that a book can ever speak of. This is a phenomena that the Koran also denotes.
Could please clarify what you mean, with a verse or two? Thanks.My experience of the Lord is something I can write about whilst it is nearly impossible to mediate 100% this experience to someone else by may it be pictures, words, spoken language etc...
Agreed 100%. Your words or mine would have little or no effect to others when talking of experiences. The God's words however...G-d has caused many great individuals to write about it, and to write about others who have had this experience. Though we can never fully grasp what G-d is but on our own. To comprehend others' vision is simply not to see it by yourself. Nor is to read a recipe never actually to eat the dish, or watching an image of a fruit is not actualy touching it.
Again, others have written in their own words, their experiences, and I have learnt a lot from such books, but as you point out, that is not to be confused with the experience itself.Seek G-d with the help of others, meet G-d yourself
Well said. This does, in no way, discount God's words though.I'm not sure I understood any of your response to my post. If you want me to respond (which I gladely would like to), I would appreciate if you summarized your response instead of breaking it down into fragments.
Thanks in advantage!
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