To Layth and Mods: Challenge to Danish's Insult to Al-Quraan
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And you cannot ever stand up for your Quranic divinity NONSENSE. You have been proven wrong by serveral members already many a times and you still think you know GOD better than anyone else here (check all your previous posts)? What's your agenda afterall? Are you soon to proclaim prophethood over this forum, if not the Muslim World? Because as soon as that prophecy comes true, then I'm sure you know dam well the immediate prophecy that follows. Grow up, be sensible and enlightning if you want to become a "prophet" of this forum. Only then I shall listen to you, otherwise take a hike.
And there you go, dear Moderators. Danish has spoken. He'll never debate anything, as I have thought. He's only here to break rule 2 and insult people who believe.
And you have broken just about every rule. Once bitten twice shy!!!
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I don't understand. Danish.. You believing whatever is fine. Really. But most of us here believe in the Qur'an's divinity. Now can we, on our forum, discuss it? Is it such a crime? Sure, the Qur'an's 1400 years old, and therefore it's not divine, sure, believe that, it's fine. But can we study and discuss the Qur'an on our forum, please? I don't ask for much, that's all.
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Free-Minds / Progressive Muslims > Critical Examination of Islam > Quranic Divinity > Post reply
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peace mquran, all
If you think that people are throwing out insults and can't discuss properly, don't address them. The best thing to do is ignore them. That's all. If someone really does want attention, then you are giving it to them by creating threads like this one. There are different kinds of people on this forum, some are here to preach their "truth," others are here to discuss their views and gain a better understanding, and there are, it seems, some people who just come here to insult people they don't agree with.
And i'm not saying who belongs to what group, please keep that in mind.
What is happening in every thread in this section is that if a question does not get answered correctly (whether by mistake or not), people make too big of a deal out of it.
People who don't want to learn, won't learn. Never. You can't help them. And you can't "expose" them to the world either.
As I said, there are people here to actually do want to learn.
So if you think there is someone who doesn't care about a good debate, about learning something, then you shouldn't care about them. Because posts like the one on this thread completely destroy any chance honest enquirers (NOT a pun D) have of learning something, which destroys the purpose of this forum.You know that you have presented your argument, and whoever is honestly looking for the truth will look at it and possibly learn from it. those who are not open minded, won't look at it.
But i know that these people, whoever they may be, are a small minority.
People can see the truth. You don't have to prove anything. If they think they are winning, let them think that because you will NEVER change their thinking.
If you want them to leave, they will if they break the rules (and the mods know what the rules are so people don't have to keep reminding them, SC has been doing a good job so far). If the mods think someone should be banned, then that will be taken care of.accusing eachother of stuff won't help.
Good offence starts with good defenceif I look like a hypocrite, I'm sorry.
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Hey there Kafir,
Two reasons why i'm carrying on with Enquirer and Danish
- It's good mental stimulus on the rare occasions their points are valid. Thought experiments are always good in my book.
- It's only fair that anyone who reads them sees how they are deconstructed.
This is why I was pushing for moderated debates and this is also why neither one of these guys will enter into it. Did you see what happened when Enquirer debated Wakas? A complete debacle! This forum now is tightening up and soon these individuals will be weeded out.
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Peace all. Possible reasons why mquran loves these 'wayward' debates.....,
a)ego
b)a need to be recognised as clever
c)to protect the 'love of his life'....the QURANIC idol...
d)as a consequence of needing to have more fun in his life....Chill out mr mquran........... group handshake
Take it easy...
Why do you and others have to defend a book that god promised to protect/defend HIMSELF........? -
My understanding of the new rule 2 is that if a person mocks 'al quran' with no specific evidence then their posts can be deleted and it can lead to them being banned. simple.
Fact is, as a mod I can only edit but I have no control over banning, only admin (Layth & Zein) as far as I'm aware. Thus, please refer such people to the above mentioned admin, WITH evidence. See what response you get.
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Peace all. Possible reasons why mquran loves these 'wayward' debates.....,
a)ego
b)a need to be recognised as clever
c)to protect the 'love of his life'....the QURANIC idol...
d)as a consequence of needing to have more fun in his life....You're entitled to your views. This new 'fun in life' phrase shows new lows of desperation though.
Chill out mr mquran........... group handshake
Take it easy...
Why do you and others have to defend a book that god promised to protect/defend HIMSELF........?No wonder you think what you think about al-quraan. You want Allah to bring down a ladder from the sky and descend the book so that everyone believes. One thing is clear though your attitude towards al-quraan - whatever that attitude is - an unsubstiated one. I'm quite sorry for you, faking your way through discussions, getting exposed all the time.
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My understanding of the new rule 2 is that if a person mocks 'al quran' with no specific evidence then their posts can be deleted and it can lead to them being banned. simple.
Fact is, as a mod I can only edit but I have no control over banning, only admin (Layth & Zein) as far as I'm aware. Thus, please refer such people to the above mentioned admin, WITH evidence. See what response you get.
No specific evidence ? I think we can swing that here
Thanks Wakas...
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Peace mquran. Scared of the truth again...? The evidence you bring for your 'opinions' is primarily your 'life-experience',and your faulty logic.....Where is your linguistic and quranic evidence...? Are you running from what you might find if you actually took certain verses at face value literally,or had to follow the rest of the current 'quran-only' translations?,...or can you not reconcile your conscience with certain interpretations,so you 'create' your own views under the guise of 'quranic methodology'....? you can break free of your self-created/imposed web of illusions,by just using your intelligence...
Peace. Take it easy....Young man... -
Peace mquran. Scared of the truth again...?
Hehe, sure I am. Why don't you have a moderated debate with me so we can see how scared I am? Go on..im a lot easier than Wakas. You'd really show me how it's done.
The evidence you bring for your 'opinions' is primarily your 'life-experience',and your faulty logic.....
Kindly give examples of 'faulty logic' ?
Where is your linguistic and quranic evidence...? Are you running from what you might find if you actually took certain verses at face value literally,or had to follow the rest of the current 'quran-only' translations?
Show me where I lacked evidence? I'd be happy to correct myself.
,...or can you not reconcile your conscience with certain interpretations,so you 'create' your own views under the guise of 'quranic methodology'....? you can break free of your self-created/imposed web of illusions,by just using your intelligence...
Sure, that's certainly possible. SHOW ME WHERE
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Peace mquran. Hasnt danish already challenged you to a moderated debate.....? I feel you will need all your time and resources for that one my friend....
I realise now,you seem to be enticing or ridiculing people so that you can get your 'dream' of a moderated debate,or to try to defend your idol.....
And you know what mquran,if you are patient and take the time to read my replies i will address those repetitive diversionary questions you sometimes ask...
Sometimes i feel you want me to prove that we need food to survive,from the quran,or from logic.....We need food to survive mquran.....Dont ask for evidence of this please,its just diversionary,time-wasting and childish...Oh,its also pretty darn obvious that we Do need food to survive...
Peace all. ps; i can spend rupees in london.....I just have to convert them to pounds first.....Modernism hey... -
Since mquran will be debating Danish...
I wouldn't mind debating you, enquirer. With this format
-You bring forth your points along with your empirical evidence.
-I respond to each and every point, with empirical evidence, otherwise the arguments left not replied to are "dropped."
-You respond to each and every one of my points, with your empirical evidence, otherwise the arguments left not replied to are "dropped."And so on.
I'm ready when you are.Peace.
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Peace mquran. Hasnt danish already challenged you to a moderated debate.....? I feel you will need all your time and resources for that one my friend....
Good excuse.
I realise now,you seem to be enticing or ridiculing people so that you can get your 'dream' of a moderated debate,or to try to defend your idol.....
The moderated debates would be unnecessary if you guys were honest people but you're not. You're one of the most devious people I've ever encountered. You people are out to ridicule people because you think being tied to a book is anarchronistic.
And you know what mquran,if you are patient and take the time to read my replies i will address those repetitive diversionary questions you sometimes ask...
Sure, I won't be able to be justifiably called 'young man' then.
Sometimes i feel you want me to prove that we need food to survive,from the quran,or from logic.....We need food to survive mquran.....Dont ask for evidence of this please,its just diversionary,time-wasting and childish...Oh,its also pretty darn obvious that we Do need food to survive...
Pal, now just focus for a second, ok? Just try to get your head round this
You say 'The Quran's punishment is BARBARIC'.
Don't I have the right to question your notion of barbarism ?
Peace all. ps; i can spend rupees in london.....I just have to convert them to pounds first.....Modernism hey...
In the same way, try to convert your slogan-throwing into an 'ARGUMENT'. Look it up...
What do you expect? Me to just say wow, BETS, it's correct.
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Peace open-mind and all. I feel it un-ethical to engage in a debate with a 14 year old.....No offense...
As for the 'empirical' bit,that may be fine for you,but what is up with other older characters (not you open-mind.) that you need mutiple proofs for such basic things as 'do we need food to survive'...?
I make the assumption that i dont need to repeatedly prove this obvious fact by copious logic,quranic references,documented data,etc,etc...
I suggest that possibly scriptural legalism has eroded some peoples common-sense at a basic level and profound level...
peace all. ps;open-mind;because of your age im not applying any of this criticism to you... handshake -
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Peace OpenMind,
I feel it un-ethical to engage in a debate with a 14 year old.....No offense...
Don't worry about this, it's strange how if one was only two years older they could have been asked to moderate a debate by the same person, but the slightest gap makes it unethical
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Elenais not barbarism the same for everybody?
If it was, would we be having this discussion. Enquirer's definitions come from his westoxification whereas mine are from al-quraan.
Anyway, the parts debating could stick to dictionary definitions, like "define " on google.
We're not looking for definitions but for notions. Relative values if you like.
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Don't worry about this, it's strange how if one was only two years older they could have been asked to moderate a debate by the same person, but the slightest gap makes it unethical
peace SC,
good point.
enquirer, age doesn't matter. And for all you know, he (and myself) could be lying about our age. So you can't just assume that the person isn't mature enough or knowledgeble enough to have a debate with.
