To Layth and Mods: Challenge to Danish's Insult to Al-Quraan
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Hey there Kafir,
Two reasons why i'm carrying on with Enquirer and Danish
- It's good mental stimulus on the rare occasions their points are valid. Thought experiments are always good in my book.
- It's only fair that anyone who reads them sees how they are deconstructed.
This is why I was pushing for moderated debates and this is also why neither one of these guys will enter into it. Did you see what happened when Enquirer debated Wakas? A complete debacle! This forum now is tightening up and soon these individuals will be weeded out.
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Peace all. Possible reasons why mquran loves these 'wayward' debates.....,
a)ego
b)a need to be recognised as clever
c)to protect the 'love of his life'....the QURANIC idol...
d)as a consequence of needing to have more fun in his life....Chill out mr mquran........... group handshake
Take it easy...
Why do you and others have to defend a book that god promised to protect/defend HIMSELF........? -
My understanding of the new rule 2 is that if a person mocks 'al quran' with no specific evidence then their posts can be deleted and it can lead to them being banned. simple.
Fact is, as a mod I can only edit but I have no control over banning, only admin (Layth & Zein) as far as I'm aware. Thus, please refer such people to the above mentioned admin, WITH evidence. See what response you get.
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Peace all. Possible reasons why mquran loves these 'wayward' debates.....,
a)ego
b)a need to be recognised as clever
c)to protect the 'love of his life'....the QURANIC idol...
d)as a consequence of needing to have more fun in his life....You're entitled to your views. This new 'fun in life' phrase shows new lows of desperation though.
Chill out mr mquran........... group handshake
Take it easy...
Why do you and others have to defend a book that god promised to protect/defend HIMSELF........?No wonder you think what you think about al-quraan. You want Allah to bring down a ladder from the sky and descend the book so that everyone believes. One thing is clear though your attitude towards al-quraan - whatever that attitude is - an unsubstiated one. I'm quite sorry for you, faking your way through discussions, getting exposed all the time.
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My understanding of the new rule 2 is that if a person mocks 'al quran' with no specific evidence then their posts can be deleted and it can lead to them being banned. simple.
Fact is, as a mod I can only edit but I have no control over banning, only admin (Layth & Zein) as far as I'm aware. Thus, please refer such people to the above mentioned admin, WITH evidence. See what response you get.
No specific evidence ? I think we can swing that here
Thanks Wakas...
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Peace mquran. Scared of the truth again...? The evidence you bring for your 'opinions' is primarily your 'life-experience',and your faulty logic.....Where is your linguistic and quranic evidence...? Are you running from what you might find if you actually took certain verses at face value literally,or had to follow the rest of the current 'quran-only' translations?,...or can you not reconcile your conscience with certain interpretations,so you 'create' your own views under the guise of 'quranic methodology'....? you can break free of your self-created/imposed web of illusions,by just using your intelligence...
Peace. Take it easy....Young man... -
Peace mquran. Scared of the truth again...?
Hehe, sure I am. Why don't you have a moderated debate with me so we can see how scared I am? Go on..im a lot easier than Wakas. You'd really show me how it's done.
The evidence you bring for your 'opinions' is primarily your 'life-experience',and your faulty logic.....
Kindly give examples of 'faulty logic' ?
Where is your linguistic and quranic evidence...? Are you running from what you might find if you actually took certain verses at face value literally,or had to follow the rest of the current 'quran-only' translations?
Show me where I lacked evidence? I'd be happy to correct myself.
,...or can you not reconcile your conscience with certain interpretations,so you 'create' your own views under the guise of 'quranic methodology'....? you can break free of your self-created/imposed web of illusions,by just using your intelligence...
Sure, that's certainly possible. SHOW ME WHERE
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Peace mquran. Hasnt danish already challenged you to a moderated debate.....? I feel you will need all your time and resources for that one my friend....
I realise now,you seem to be enticing or ridiculing people so that you can get your 'dream' of a moderated debate,or to try to defend your idol.....
And you know what mquran,if you are patient and take the time to read my replies i will address those repetitive diversionary questions you sometimes ask...
Sometimes i feel you want me to prove that we need food to survive,from the quran,or from logic.....We need food to survive mquran.....Dont ask for evidence of this please,its just diversionary,time-wasting and childish...Oh,its also pretty darn obvious that we Do need food to survive...
Peace all. ps; i can spend rupees in london.....I just have to convert them to pounds first.....Modernism hey... -
Since mquran will be debating Danish...
I wouldn't mind debating you, enquirer. With this format
-You bring forth your points along with your empirical evidence.
-I respond to each and every point, with empirical evidence, otherwise the arguments left not replied to are "dropped."
-You respond to each and every one of my points, with your empirical evidence, otherwise the arguments left not replied to are "dropped."And so on.
I'm ready when you are.Peace.
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Peace mquran. Hasnt danish already challenged you to a moderated debate.....? I feel you will need all your time and resources for that one my friend....
Good excuse.
I realise now,you seem to be enticing or ridiculing people so that you can get your 'dream' of a moderated debate,or to try to defend your idol.....
The moderated debates would be unnecessary if you guys were honest people but you're not. You're one of the most devious people I've ever encountered. You people are out to ridicule people because you think being tied to a book is anarchronistic.
And you know what mquran,if you are patient and take the time to read my replies i will address those repetitive diversionary questions you sometimes ask...
Sure, I won't be able to be justifiably called 'young man' then.
Sometimes i feel you want me to prove that we need food to survive,from the quran,or from logic.....We need food to survive mquran.....Dont ask for evidence of this please,its just diversionary,time-wasting and childish...Oh,its also pretty darn obvious that we Do need food to survive...
Pal, now just focus for a second, ok? Just try to get your head round this
You say 'The Quran's punishment is BARBARIC'.
Don't I have the right to question your notion of barbarism ?
Peace all. ps; i can spend rupees in london.....I just have to convert them to pounds first.....Modernism hey...
In the same way, try to convert your slogan-throwing into an 'ARGUMENT'. Look it up...
What do you expect? Me to just say wow, BETS, it's correct.
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Peace open-mind and all. I feel it un-ethical to engage in a debate with a 14 year old.....No offense...
As for the 'empirical' bit,that may be fine for you,but what is up with other older characters (not you open-mind.) that you need mutiple proofs for such basic things as 'do we need food to survive'...?
I make the assumption that i dont need to repeatedly prove this obvious fact by copious logic,quranic references,documented data,etc,etc...
I suggest that possibly scriptural legalism has eroded some peoples common-sense at a basic level and profound level...
peace all. ps;open-mind;because of your age im not applying any of this criticism to you... handshake -
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Peace OpenMind,
I feel it un-ethical to engage in a debate with a 14 year old.....No offense...
Don't worry about this, it's strange how if one was only two years older they could have been asked to moderate a debate by the same person, but the slightest gap makes it unethical
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Elenais not barbarism the same for everybody?
If it was, would we be having this discussion. Enquirer's definitions come from his westoxification whereas mine are from al-quraan.
Anyway, the parts debating could stick to dictionary definitions, like "define " on google.
We're not looking for definitions but for notions. Relative values if you like.
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Don't worry about this, it's strange how if one was only two years older they could have been asked to moderate a debate by the same person, but the slightest gap makes it unethical
peace SC,
good point.
enquirer, age doesn't matter. And for all you know, he (and myself) could be lying about our age. So you can't just assume that the person isn't mature enough or knowledgeble enough to have a debate with.
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age doesn't matter. And for all you know, he (and myself) could be lying about our age. So you can't just assume that the person isn't mature enough or knowledgeble enough to have a debate with.
That is a very valid observation, and change your nick will you? D -
Peace open-mind and all. I feel it un-ethical to engage in a debate with a 14 year old.....No offense...
Please, explain to me why it's unethical.
Dodge after dodge after dodge.
I'll take your response as you dodging due to your incapability of debating, even with a 14 year old. Indeed, this is a record low for you.
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As for the 'empirical' bit,that may be fine for you,but what is up with other older characters (not you open-mind.) that you need mutiple proofs for such basic things as 'do we need food to survive'...?
I make the assumption that i dont need to repeatedly prove this obvious fact by copious logic,quranic references,documented data,etc,etc...
I suggest that possibly scriptural legalism has eroded some peoples common-sense at a basic level and profound level...
peace all. ps;open-mind;because of your age im not applying any of this criticism to you... handshakeNo. Enquirer, when you say "my evidence is life experiences," we don't really understand what you mean. Sure, it sounds happy and fun and profound, but when you truly think about it, it means nothing.
When you posted the contradictions thread, you didn't even give a verse. Not one verse! And when others confronted you about it, you simply brushed it off and stated that "others can find them." This is what we mean. You can't just say/assume things and expect us to accept it as truth. BRING EVIDENCE!
You always have an excuse, thist time it's my age (which in itself is absurd, considering debate has nothing to do with age). Always an excuse to dodge. So sad.
