a surah like it
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Puppies? Wow, how insulting. I'm just a puppy myself
Ah, how insulting, claiming to be a puppy yourself. I like that strategy and it was funny. rotfl
but I'd love to debate you Danish.
And I hate to debate with you for the reasons I already mentioned several times, which you still can't seem to grasp. However, tell you what, just to satisfy your perturbed mind, I'll come up with a proposed plan of moderated debate. I shall be back in a lil' while. Until then, "DON'T THINK".
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OK, mquran, lets have a debate you have been longing for. Here are my conditions
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If you can prove all my concerns as hogwash, I shall surrender, submit and seal my lips to never bring about such concerns on this forum again. If you, on the other hand, fail to provide substantial and relevant back-up on any one of my concerns, then you will admit openly on this forum that the Quran is NOT the Words of GOD and never to talk about being divine again.
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Since you are the defender of Quran?s divinity, I shall make series of questions in stages (to make it easier - one at a time), which you shall answer, specific to troubled verses.
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No extra baggage (meaning no personal attacks or out-of-subject matter) or quoting half sentences to mislead the other.
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There will be no question upon question. If the question is not understood, then request clarity.
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Once my first concern is aptly resolved, I?ll move onto another and so on.
Let me know when you?re ready?
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I'm ready to begin once you answer the following concerns.
- If you can prove all my concerns as hogwash, I shall surrender, submit and seal my lips to never bring about such concerns on this forum again. If you, on the other hand, fail to provide substantial and relevant back-up on any one of my concerns, then you will admit openly on this forum that the Quran is NOT the Words of GOD and never to talk about being divine again.
Who determines what is 'hogwash' and 'failure to provide substantial and relevant backup' underlined above? You? Pardon me but I don't trust you to determine it. I suggest getting the admin to do it.
Also, if you want me to 'admit openly', you should also be ready to 'admit openly' that your remarks were made due to your bigotry and not due to careful study.
- Since you are the defender of Quran?s divinity, I shall make series of questions in stages (to make it easier - one at a time), which you shall answer, specific to troubled verses.
No problem there AS LONG AS you are willing to defend your tools of deconstruction. I will not accept any unproven assumptions at all and thus you have the obligation to answer my questions regarding your assumptions. Also, quoting from a site will entail that you know what the site says. Quoting 'sura like it' when you can't even read it is laughable, let alone unacceptable.
E.g. 'both western and islamic scholars' would qualify as an assumption. You can be sure I will thoroughly question this phrase. Don't expect me to take it because the word 'scholars' is in there.
- No extra baggage (meaning no personal attacks or out-of-subject matter) or quoting half sentences to mislead the other.
How will you get by then?
Also, can we debate 'essence of nature' after this? I need some clarification on that
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There will be no question upon question. If the question is not understood, then request clarity.
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Once my first concern is aptly resolved, I?ll move onto another and so on.
The moderators will determine if a question has been addressed or not.
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Peace all. Mquran states repeatedly; who determines?... By what criteria do you judge,etc,etc...?
In other words when debating/construtively criticising the quran we must use the quran as a criteria.......Absolute CIRCULAR LOGIC...... elektro
Lets prove the quran is from god by agreeing with the quran blindly...... rotfl -
Peace all. Mquran states repeatedly; who determines?... By what criteria do you judge,etc,etc...?
In other words when debating/construtively criticising the quran we must use the quran as a criteria.......Absolute CIRCULAR LOGIC......
Lets prove the quran is from god by agreeing with the quran blindly......Sigh...I ask that question to YOU, Danish, Lote-Tree and other people who DO NOT accept al-quraan as criteria. Therefore, how can you take recourse in al-furqaan? Are you so bereft of arguments that now you need to LIE? Grow up, please.
When you say 'al-quraan puts forth barbaric punishments', isn't my right to interrogate what 'barbaric' means and what it's relative to? I know you prefer for me to acquiesce to your accusations and just go, 'wow you're the best' but you will need some reading for that. Another 25 years perhaps?
I wish we could have a prerequisite for posting here and that is to take classes in
- literacy
- logic.
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Peace mquran. You obviously have not understood my post...
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Peace mquran. Well keep your mouth closed,put your brain on,and have some patience young man... Then i will have licence to 'engage'...
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Peace mquran. Well keep your mouth closed,put your brain on,and have some patience young man... Then i will have licence to 'engage'...
I have never goaded you for answers before you post. Myself and other posters have noted your lack of arguments and now its common knowledge. Who's Enquirer The guy who never responds after you answer him. It's not that you lack a 'license', you just lack a 'grasp of what's going on'. Take yesterday's thread, I took half an hour to detail a response to you but you accused me of 'reading into the text'. When I ask you how, you can't articulate it. Take your time and engage when you want, I promise you it will be never.
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Peace Enquirer
You seek to subtely insult MQ by calling him a 'young man', perhaps thinking his youth is a liability. In the reading there is a story of a youth brought to his mother's people and they were of the opinion that knowledge or wisdom was in the jurisdiction of the older people. He proved them wrong, it is not a monopoly to the older populations in any community.
Joe
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Peace nabi. Look at your own 'subtle' behaviour in past posts....
I greatly praise phoenix,and he is only 16......
Peace mquran; the amount of contradictions in your posts alone,is astounding.....I will give one example that you should understand...What does it matter if a few posters agree with you on my behaviour.....I thought truth,according to you doesnt need numbers or cheerleaders...? )
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I greatly praise phoenix,and he is only 16......
People will shift back and forth in their stances under different circumstances. People are contradictory. Giving praise to one who is young is one thing in one situation and ridiculing another because they are young is another thing in another situation.
I can be truthful to my friends and be a complete lier to my parents. Just because you have been one thing at one point in your life does not make it a constant.
Joe
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Peace all. I agree that age is not necessarily a bar to wisdom,and nor is age a guarantee of wisdom either.....
However,if one has never been married,cannot drive etc,etc...how valuable is ones' opinion in regard to discussing marriage and cars,with someone else who has experience of cars and marriage.....you get my point....?
Peace all.ps nabi or anyone; you want to post that verse,with its literal translation,so we can all see the related story...?
pps; nabi; I am not ridiculing mquran,im addressing his limitations...Have you,mquran and others nor 'ridiculed' those who disagree with you...?
As for consistency,in my opinion you yourself at times,have been biased and rude.....review your own posts....dont ask me to spoon-feed you....Dont play 'the courtesy' line with me my friend... Good day,i leave you in peace... handshake -
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dont ask me to spoon-feed you....Dont play 'the courtesy' line with me my friend...
Then I will disregard your previous comment as effusion. I will also disregard you asking me for the location of the story as you have disregarded my asking you to point out my subtle behavior. What did you call it, spoon-feeding, so go look it up. It sounds selfish and it probably is.
Look at your own 'subtle' behaviour in past posts....
Joe
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Peace nabi. How convenient for you...
I will quote the verse number; 19;29-30...
Your behaviour is in your posts,dont you remember calling me a 'dabbler',ridiculing my opinions,and the complaints from one certain other poster regarding your behaviour...?
Dont worry nabi,i dont hold these against you now,we all have our moments.....just dont pretend like you have never ridiculed anyone...
And as mod,how many times have you maintained the peace,or construtively criticised others for ridiculing others....? What kind of consistency do you posess...? You can only defend guys who agree with you,hey...?
'He who is without sin may cast the first stone'...
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Peace mquran; the amount of contradictions in your posts alone,is astounding.....I will give one example that you should understand...What does it matter if a few posters agree with you on my behaviour.....I thought truth,according to you doesnt need numbers or cheerleaders...?
Once again, don't you see how it works? Numbers isn't currency for ME. It's currency for YOU. You love talking about majority view, how many agree and all the things other than the argument at hand which you never ever address unless it suits your delusions. So I mention numbers to you because it's YOUR currency.
Do you understand the concept of currency or do you try to pay with rupees in London?
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Peace mquran. You are painting a sad young/old figure from your posts...
Really clutching at straws now hey...?
Im begining to see that freud may have been partially right about repression.....Dont repress your natural intelligence mquran,it makes you 'effusive',irrelevant and downright dogmatic.....
Seriously chill my friend....
I think you are frustrated at my freedom from the 'quranic prison',and your inability to work out or defuse me intellectually... Dont fight things unnecessarily......Go for truth and peace..... group handshake