Translation of `Jinn`
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under that flawed point then the Quran has a contradiction because the Quran said humans were created from soil, now the above says everything alive is created from water
please resolve the contradiction Oben has hatched with his flawed point
OMG! a contradiction in the quran!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hello All
I decided to bring on all the verses in the Quran that have the words ?Jinn?, ?Al Jinn? or ?Jan? or ?Jinnah?, therefore will be able to see if those who promote that loads of non sense about the Jinn as leaders of ordinary humans is really sensible
In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
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-> Why in 5556 Allah differentiated it between the Ins and Jinn regarding the Hour Ein? I mean do those leaders keep their leader status in paradise and those ordinary men stay as such in paradise?
Well I guess the promoters of this non sense need to click here Please click here mister smart
To be continued?..
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under that flawed point then the Quran has a contradiction because the Quran said humans were created from soil, now the above says everything alive is created from water
please resolve the contradiction Oben has hatched with his flawed point
OMG! a contradiction in the quran!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
i didn't say there is bro, nice try, it's Oben flawed understanding that he is pushing that is constituting a clear cut contradiction that he needs to resolve
I guess he will come and say Haha you mix the soil with water but fire can't be mixed with water but let's see what he has to say
Cheers
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14- He created man from sounding clay like unto pottery,
15- And He created the jinn of a flame of fire.(14)
(15)Now can anuyone of this non sense advocates prove to me that Saddam Hussain was created from a flame of fire and me was created from sounding clay like unto pottery?
I don?t really know how they are going to verify that they have to do it according to their 1736 flawed understanding, but at least me and Saddam are available for any scientific testings
I guess the promoters of this non sense need to continue to click here Please click here mister smart
To be continued?..
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Well, what can I say, let?s look at this funny one
And throw down thy staff! But when he saw it writhing as it were a Jaan, he turned to flee headlong; (but it was said unto him) O Moses! Fear not! the emissaries fear not in My presence,
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Now we have a serious problem, it seems when Moses threw his staff, it started to move like a Human leader yeah
Oh yeh great sense, "What The ....."
Please keep clicking here mister smart
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under that flawed point then the Quran has a contradiction because the Quran said humans were created from soil, now the above says everything alive is created from water
please resolve the contradiction Oben has hatched with his flawed point
OMG! a contradiction in the quran!!!!!!!!!!!!
O please don't be startled. There's plentiful at stake for people to snap at.yuck
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Now it?s getting serious for those Muslims
12- And to Solomon (We made) the Wind (obedient) Its early morning (stride) was a month's (journey), and its evening (stride) was a month's (journey); and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
13- They worked for him as he desired, (making) arches, images, basons as large as reservoirs, and (cooking) cauldrons fixed (in their places) "Work ye, sons of David, with thanks! but few of My servants are grateful!"
14- Then, when We decreed (Solomon's) death, nothing showed them his death except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his staff so when he fell down, the Jinns saw plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in the humiliating Penalty (of their Task).
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(14)-> So Allah has forced the human leaders ?The Jinns? to work for another human leader ?Solomon?, I suppose to be another Jinn ?wasn?t he a human leader??
-> Now this is funny why the humans leaders are professional in (making) arches, images, basons as large as reservoirs, and (cooking) cauldrons fixed (in their places), I thought most of them sits on their backs doing nothing but ripping off their people?
-> Finally, why Allah flags the human leaders that they can?t know the unseen? , the Jinns saw plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in the humiliating Penalty (of their Task)., yet I wonder why Allah was humiliating the human leaders for the sake of another human leader
-> I will get the rest of the story and we will all wonder why ?The Queen of Sheba?, was not humiliated as well along with the other human leaders?, in fact she was respected and honoured when she arrived to Solomon palace
It is about time to click here mister smart
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Here is another problem for them
39- Said an 'Ifrit, of the Jinns "I will bring it to thee before thou rise from thy council indeed I have full strength for the purpose, and may be trusted."
40- Said one who had knowledge of the Book "I will bring it to thee within the twinkling of an eye!" Then when (Solomon) saw it placed firmly before him, he said "This is by the Grace of my Lord!- to test me whether I am grateful or ungrateful! and if any is grateful, truly his gratitude is (a gain) for his own soul; but if any is ungrateful, truly my Lord is Free of all Needs, Supreme in Honour !"
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(40)-> We read in 2739 ?Ifrit of the Jinns?, now the advocates of new illogical understanding need to explain to us what is ?Ifrit of the Jinn?? is it a title of the Human Leaders?, if they somehow mange to solve that, then they will be cornered with this one, why that Ifrit of the human leaders can bring the Queen of Sheba throne in a matter of seconds from miles away? ? Said an 'Ifrit, of the Jinns "I will bring it to thee before thou rise from thy council indeed I have full strength for the purpose, and may be trusted.?
-> And just to make it harder for those advocates, let me ask them this question whom verse 2740 is talking about?, is it another Ifrit of the human leader who will bring the throne in shorter time than the first Ifrit of the human leaders? If No, then whom is it? and regardless if No or Yes how that entity will being the throne ion shorter time than the first Ifrit of the Jinns ? Said one who had knowledge of the Book "I will bring it to thee within the twinkling of an eye!", , don?t ever dare anyone and say this is a metaphor, because the throne was brought for real ?Then when (Solomon) saw it placed firmly before him, , he said "This is by the Grace of my Lord!- to test me whether I am grateful or ungrateful! and if any is grateful, truly his gratitude is (a gain) for his own soul; but if any is ungrateful, truly my Lord is Free of all Needs, Supreme in Honour !?
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2130 Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
Awa lam yara allatheena kafaroo anna alssamawati waal-arda kanata ratqan fafataqnahuma wajaAAalna mina alma-i kulla shay-in hayyin afala yu/minoona
If you believe that "jinn" are living things then 2130 means they must be made of water. This is a bald fact. An inescapable reality.
Very good point !
Peace,
Despite the exchanges above, I wanted to raise this to drive home the point that "jinn" are not mysterious invisible mythical beings.
1527 does not give license to create a new kind of unseen type of being.
The fact that ALL (kulli shay) LIVING (hay) things are made of water does not contradict our being made from clay - because it does not say ONLY from clay.
The point is that all things that LIVE and are MADE are from water - or contain water as part of their makeup.
The real contradictions are when people themselves CREATE a new type of being they call a "jinn" despite the fact that the reading mentions many instances of INTERACTION between these alleged separate creatures and those who believe in these invisible mythical "jinn" cannot demonstrate any such INTERACTION given their viewpoint.
The truth can only be that human and jinn are within the one and the same thing - and that in some cases the 'jinn' describes a hidden inner quality of humans and in others it describes a quality of humans as we don't perceive easily (foreign people, distinguished people etc).
2130 leaves no room for a new mythical invisible being type. If it lives and is made (note that God "lives" but is not made) then it must be from water. A fact which is fully supported by science.
Regards.
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peace ahmed
Actually it's only JM that's advocating the 'human leaders' argument ( to my knowledge ) most others believe jinns to be allegorical for the hidden/dark side of man.
Are our primal urges innate or result of the choices we make?
I believe in the choices we make. I believe in accountability. And I choose not to blame that on a hidden/evil side.
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Peace Oben,
But let's leave these analogies and examine our common reference point for evidence. I believe the following verse puts to rest any doubt and in one stroke demolishes all the past belief that there are mythical beings that traditionalist imaginations have created.
2130 Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
Awa lam yara allatheena kafaroo anna alssamawati waal-arda kanata ratqan fafataqnahuma wajaAAalna mina alma-i kulla shay-in hayyin afala yu/minoona
If you believe that "jinn" are living things then 2130 means they must be made of water. This is a bald fact. An inescapable reality.
Therefore a "jinn" is not a separate type of mythical being. It is merely an aspect of us.
Thank you for your excellent observation. This is such an eye opener.
I had noticed that there is no mention in the great reading of "jinn" going to heaven while they are mentioned as going to hell. I have discussed this in the following article
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/history/ayman2.htm
Your amazing observation reminded me of another passage 7216. It seems from the passage that the heaven of "jinn"/fantasies is that they would be given water. As you noted, water is connected to life. So perhaps the good "jinn"/fantasies would become living beings.
I would be very much interested in your thoughts about the above article.
Peace,
Ayman
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peace ahmed
Peace bro
Actually it's only JM that's advocating the 'human leaders' argument ( to my knowledge ) most others believe jinns to be allegorical for the hidden/dark side of man.
well, it can be directed to the others as well, it is directed to those non sense advocates
Are our primal urges innate or result of the choices we make?
I don't really care about the poll
I believe in the choices we make. I believe in accountability. And I choose not to blame that on a hidden/evil side.
Nice try, you can't blame it on the Jinn, the Quran told you that, or you donlt know that?
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peace Ahmed,
by posting all those verses above you have proven that your literal understandings don't make any sense.
well at least show the others some resepect and explain to them why?
but hey, who said the Jinn as I understand it, is the lieteral understanding?, haha, thanks for the laugh
it is you and the likes of you who are trying hard to make it literal by saying it means the hidden
please look in the mirror before you accuse others wrongly
Saddam IS NOT made of smokeless fire.
Prove it
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Peace Oben, All,
As jm and Ayman expressed, excellent point in 2130. Further, you stated
The fact that ALL (kulli shay) LIVING (hay) things are made of water does not contradict our being made from clay - because it does not say ONLY from clay.
Just an observation clay/soil are understood to contain water/moisture.
Peace,
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Peace Oben,
It seems I got muddled up in understanding your first quote from the next (underlined part). My appologies.
2130 Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
If you believe that "jinn" are living things then 2130 means they must be made of water. This is a bald fact. An inescapable reality.
Despite the exchanges above, I wanted to raise this to drive home the point that "jinn" are not mysterious invisible mythical beings.
1527 does not give license to create a new kind of unseen type of being.
The fact that ALL (kulli shay) LIVING (hay) things are made of water does not contradict our being made from clay - because it does not say ONLY from clay.
The point is that all things that LIVE and are MADE are from water - or contain water as part of their makeup.
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I disagree about your erroneous conclusion about 'jinn' being able "to exit the atmosphere of Earth".
Look at
376 We have adorned the lowest heaven with adorning planets.*
377 We guarded it from every evil devil.
378 They cannot spy on the High Society; they get bombarded from every side.
379 They have been condemned; they have incurred an eternal retribution.
3710 If any of them ventures to charge the outer limits, he gets struck with a fierce projectile.and...
5533 O you jinns and humans, if you can penetrate the outer limits of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and penetrate. You cannot penetrate without authorization.
5534 Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?
5535 You get bombarded with projectiles of fire and metal, and you cannot win.Notice that jinn and humans are mentioned together. The challenge is to penetrate the heavens - ie. leave the Earth's atmosphere which cannot be done. "Jinn" are human or an aspect of humans and the usages within the reading must be contextual; there doesn't seem to be a one meaning fits all for this particular concept.
Peace.
Yeah if jinn is methaphisic, why should human shall make them enemy ? How to kill and to beat them.
Many bros are trapped with dogmatisn
They think sky is sky
They think satan is jinn.In every verses Allah did never talk about unseen creatures, but men. The physical of men consist blood, flesh, nerves and bones. But mentally they may be angel, jinn, satan, musyreek, kafir, mu'meen, moslems, mukadzdzibin, ahl dzikr.
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Here is a tough one for those ?Hidden? ?Human Leader? meaning of Jinn advocates?
And they have invented a blood-relationship between Him and the Jinns but the Jinns know (quite well) that they have indeed to appear (before his Judgment-Seat)!
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-> Let?s summarize the questions for those smart advocates
- how the humans invented blood relation between Allah and the Hiddens / the Human leaders ?
- how the Hiddens / Human leaders ?know (quite well) that they have indeed to appear (before his Judgment-Seat)??
- and finally why the Ins were left out in 37158?
How about another click here mister smart?
Possibly, to be continued?..
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Here is a tough one for those Hidden Human Leader meaning of Jinn advocates
And they have invented a blood-relationship between Him and the Jinns but the Jinns know (quite well) that they have indeed to appear (before his Judgment-Seat)!
-> Lets summarize the questions for those smart advocates
- how the humans invented blood relation between Allah and the Hiddens / the Human leaders ?
- how the Hiddens / Human leaders know (quite well) that they have indeed to appear (before his Judgment-Seat)?
- and finally why the Ins were left out in 37158?
How about another click here mister smart?
Possibly, to be continued..
Ahmed,
Firstly your attitude to frame this as a win-lose type argument is very tired. Prior to your arrival this forum only rarely had individuals who took this approach to what should be discussion and debate. I think your previous experience with other win-lose type forums has influenced your behaviour here. If what you desire is to argue and fight in the style of a win-lose forum then there are plenty out there. Please join one of those and continue in the same style.
Otherwise, please spare us this type of confrontational attitude and the need to constantly remind you of this.
Coming to your "question". You'll notice that your position is actually self-refuting. You've refuted your own argument as is usual.
Look at the context
37149 Ask them if your Lord have daughters, while they have sons!
37150 Did we create the angels to be females? Did they witness that?
37151 Indeed, they grossly blaspheme when they say -
37152 "GOD has begotten a son." Indeed, they are liars.
37153 Did He choose the girls over the boys?
37154 What is wrong with your logic?
37155 Why do you not take heed?
37156 Do you have any proof?
37157 Show us your book, if you are truthful.
37158 They even invented a special relationship between Him and the jinns. The jinns themselves know that they are subservient.
37159 GOD be glorified; far above their claims.The prophet is being told to ask the people who are FABRICATING falsehoods the questions in that passage. The "they" in 37158 refers to the same type of people who in 37152 say "God has begotten a son". Note that that statement relates slanderously the God to a human being.
37158 is again relating to a type of human - in this context probably meaning the distinguished people or people in charge - as in the high priests having an alleged special relationship with God which we know from history occured many times and still occurs. It states immediately following it that even these "high priests" know they have absolutely no power and are mortal - that their own sense of importance cannot hold water and that they are in fact subservient to the God.
How does understanding this as your mythical invisible being type that you hold to, help you in any way?