Translation of `Jinn`
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Brother Peace to you too,
Each one of us get chances to acknowledge and appreciate that the Quran is the Truth from The God. As soon as we are enlightened, then the rest follows, no need to check anymore, otherwise it will be too much, we have limitations, the implications of the message, the treasures within it are immense, some of which maybe will never be understood...
I hear and I obey this is what the Universe says.
We can argue, but the bottom line is conviction, each one comes from different backgrounds, perspectives, cultures...
Salam
NabsterSo let me get this straight, you will accept everything blindly that is mentioned in the Quran simply because it is 'Allah's' words but neglect and disobey 1736 which you yourself quoted earlier? Am I correct?
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Peace
No Brother Danish you are not correct. I will check things that are unsure. Things that are established facts, no need to check. Things brought to my attention by third parties I will check, starting against the Quran as guidance. Things Allah clearly stipulated in the Quran are not included particularly the ones to do with the Unseen, these are the ones I was referring to...
God bless
NabsterYou believe the Quran is the word of 'Allah', plain and simple and no other information supercedes it. So what's the point of 1736 in the first place regardless of what people bring about? That is not only a circular reasoning but a moot one at best. Are you even familiar with who and what 'Allah' is, the concept of GOD and why I believe that the Quran is NOT and CANNOT be the words of GOD. Anyhow, this is a different subject matter altogether and I shall be happy to discuss this in its appropriate thread/section. But for now, I can see that you are quite naive.
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Peace be upon you Brothers,
Thank you for bringing peace back to the thread. Lets stick to showing the proofs and providing the reason that will make this message effective for everyday life, not some fairytales of the past that we must just swallow without digestion.
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Peace
Bro Danish you have your Diin and I have mine...
Assalamualaikum
NabsterThe natural and realistic system and laws of life are for all living creatures and not boxed and locked up for only 'Muslims' in strict regulated and offen violent ancient dogmatic pagan dependency ordained by an 'Allah' at kaba. You need to understand why the Arabs have forbidden scientists for centuries from any archeological exercises in and around Mecca/Medina and its vicinity, so much so, that if the guardians find out any non-Muslim at Kaba, he/she is to subjected to immediated deportation, corporal punishment and even death.
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Peace Bro
Who cares about the Saudis, the Arabs whom Allah has described as the worst in disbelief and idolatry or their pagan customs. I am referring to the Quran as word of The God, if you do not accept that then you are not yet a Believer.
Salam
NabsterHmmm, Muhammad was an Arab, wasn't he? O0
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Peace,
Just as expected is mantiq almost only used for humans, and saut only used for animals, as saut refers to sound without direct meaning, as seen that saut always is translated as voice/sound coming out of something, and mantiq only with speech that has meaning.
NUTQ = Meaningful speech that is almost always human.
Exceptions
4121 And they will ask their skins, "Why did you testify against us?" They will say, "Allah has given us the power to speak as He has given speech to all things. For, He created you for the first time and unto Him you are brought back. (1713, 7514).
4529 ?This Our Record tells the truth about you. Behold, We arranged for all your doings to be meticulously recorded.
MANTIQ from NUTQ = Language = Logical speech.
SAUT = Animal voice or any sound.
So my explanation still stands firmly. But as Tair also refers to cavalery, it must be checked which fits best...I thought i made a mistake, but i see now that i haven't.
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Peace All,
2130 Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
Awa lam yara allatheena kafaroo anna alssamawati waal-arda kanata ratqan fafataqnahuma wajaAAalna mina alma-i kulla shay-in hayyin afala yu/minoona
If you believe that "jinn" are living things then 2130 means they must be made of water. This is a bald fact. An inescapable reality.Very good point !
why it is good I wonder?
under that flawed point then the Quran has a contradiction because the Quran said humans were created from soil, now the above says everything alive is created from water
please resolve the contradiction Oben has hatched with his flawed pointI don't see any contradiction here. The Ayah clearly saysAnd from water we made all living things. Would they not believe?
"From" is "Min" in Arabic. It indicates meaning being part of something.
What is water? It is H2O.
The jinn are made from water because they can very well be made from Hyrogen only or Oxygen only, or combined with other elements. I would guess it is Hyrogen.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen
God says that jinn are created from Marijin min Naar.
The word Marij comes from the root Ma-Ra-Ja
This word or its derivatives appear in the following Ayat + + + +. -
Bro
The Quran speaks for itself.
Mohammed was a Messenger of Allah from the Ummyins, i.e. those who were not given a scripture before, he was an Arab, and he was intially rejected by the ones he preached to who included Christians, Jews, Idolaters and Others. Allah sent a prophet among the Arabs who were the worst in idolatry in the region. It is a miracle that ultimately they submitted, another potent Sign from the Most Wise.
Brother are you sure you are a Quran Alone person, it seems to me you are a troublemaker )
Nabster out
not sending you peace this timeI suggest you get back on track with this thread before it gets totally out of control, which is usually the case of people like you. My concerns about the Quran and my beliefs can be browsed at appropriate threads and borrowed for further discussion addressed to me, if you wish. Take you sweet and peaceful time. You have plenty of reading and studying to catch up to. Chow. )
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Peace Bro Arnoldyasin
4121 And they will ask their skins, "Why did you testify against us?" They will say, "Allah has given us the power to speak as He has given speech to all things. For, He created you for the first time and unto Him you are brought back. (1713, 7514).This same verse also says that... He has given speech to all things
From current arabic as I know it saut can also refer to the tone or tempo of a voice, and natq to language spoken.
Nabster
Peace,
I had the same thought, which explains the best understanding is that Tair refers to cavalery, which is one of it's neglected meanings. -
Bro anoldyasin
You mean haiwani-natiq, meaning alive or animal and natiq?
Peace
NabsterLOL bro
this is just an arbic joke and have no merit
Salam
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Peace Bro Arnoldyasin
4121 And they will ask their skins, "Why did you testify against us?" They will say, "Allah has given us the power to speak as He has given speech to all things. For, He created you for the first time and unto Him you are brought back. (1713, 7514).This same verse also says that... He has given speech to all things
From current arabic as I know it saut can also refer to the tone or tempo of a voice, and natq to language spoken.
Nabster
Bro don't waste any more time, the message is conveyed and that is what we can do
now Saut is for everything,
Saut of the Car
Saut of wind
Saut of Human
Saut of Animal
Saut of Airoplane
Saut of Farting
See, it is for everything including Farting, LOL
Salam bro
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Peace All,
2130 Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
Awa lam yara allatheena kafaroo anna alssamawati waal-arda kanata ratqan fafataqnahuma wajaAAalna mina alma-i kulla shay-in hayyin afala yu/minoona
If you believe that "jinn" are living things then 2130 means they must be made of water. This is a bald fact. An inescapable reality.Very good point !
why it is good I wonder?
under that flawed point then the Quran has a contradiction because the Quran said humans were created from soil, now the above says everything alive is created from water
please resolve the contradiction Oben has hatched with his flawed pointI don't see any contradiction here. The Ayah clearly saysAnd from water we made all living things. Would they not believe?
"From" is "Min" in Arabic. It indicates meaning being part of something.
What is water? It is H2O.
The jinn are made from water because they can very well be made from Hyrogen only or Oxygen only, or combined with other elements. I would guess it is Hyrogen.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen
God says that jinn are created from Marijin min Naar.
The word Marij comes from the root Ma-Ra-Ja
This word or its derivatives appear in the following Ayat + + + +.Good sister, i donlt see a contradiction either, but I hoped truth will respond to it as you did
now let me ask you please
what Jinn means for you?
Salam
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brother nabstar
you will see Arnold dodging the tough question of "Antaqa Kul Shai" as well he dodged the Book that Allah make it speak "Yantiq"
this is what he does always bro, when faced with a tough question, they dodge it and continue wwith further non sense and illogical crap based on NIL experience with the tough Arabic language
Take care bro
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brother nabstar
you will see Arnold dodging the tough question of "Antaqa Kul Shai" as well he dodged the Book that Allah make it speak "Yantiq"
this is what he does always bro, when faced with a tough question, they dodge it and continue wwith further non sense and illogical crap based on NIL experience with the tough Arabic language
Take care bro
AB, i confirmed my mistake, if you had taken the effort to read. So no dodging here, only slander from you....
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Jinn is NOT genie.
That's a sunni myth, if you can call it that.
Find out what the word Jinn actually means, then look at some people's ideas on what jinns can be.
Wikipedia is only talking about islamic (sectarian) BELIEFs. Not studying the arabic of the Quran to come up with a meaning. -
is the usual English translation of the Arabic term jinni, but it is not an Anglicized form of the Arabic word, as is commonly thought. The English word comes from French g?nie, which meant a spirit of any kind, which in turn came from Latin genius, which meant a sort of tutelary or guardian spirit thought to be assigned to each person at birth (see genius). The Latin word predates the Arabic word jinni, and the two terms have not been shown to be related. The first recorded use of the word in English was in 1655 as geny, with the Latin meaning. The French translators of the Arabian Nights later used the word g?nie as a translation of jinni because it was similar to the Arabic word both in sound and in meaning; this meaning was also picked up in English and has since become dominant.
but even the article says that the word "genie" and "jinn" are not related.
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brother nabstar
you will see Arnold dodging the tough question of "Antaqa Kul Shai" as well he dodged the Book that Allah make it speak "Yantiq"
this is what he does always bro, when faced with a tough question, they dodge it and continue wwith further non sense and illogical crap based on NIL experience with the tough Arabic language
Take care bro
AB, i confirmed my mistake, if you had taken the effort to read. So no dodging here, only slander from you....
no slandering intended but sorry anyway if it offended you