Did God create all humankind from Adam ?
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Brother JM
I was just praying the Asr and while doing the Sijood, this fact has hit me that will prove how wrong you are regarding the word "Min" in the context of the verse above
you say that it can mean "Among" and I will agree but only if AMOUNG A PLURAL, i.e. "Min Al Nas", "Among the People"
you can't say Min to mean among then bloody use a Singular after it, it does not make any sense bro
see you can't say "Among a singular" but you can say "Among plural"
and becase the quran cleary told us that IT WAS ONE NAFS then to translate Minha as Amoing that Nafs will make a child crack laughing
I hope you get it
salam
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Peace ahmed,
The first question one should ask is the following
Is the single nafs (God has created us out of which) referring to Adam ?
Of course, this is clear to a child from verse 230-34
I am sorry, Ahmed, but, for me, it is far from being evident.
Excuse me, here is the sequence again
- Allah khalaqa Adam Min Soil
- Allah Khalaqa his mate from Adam (Khalaq Minha Zawjiha), can you see that Minha is referring to a feminie?, that is because it is from the feminie soul of Adam, ?among the soul of adam? does not make any sense bro, it is just silly
No, it is because the gender of the word nafs is feminine.
Let?s break down the beginning of
Khalaqa = he has created
kum = you (plural)
min = from / out of / of the same nature as / among
nafsin = soul / person
wahidatin = single
wakhalaqa = and he has created
min = from / out of / of the same nature as / among
ha = her (refer to the nafs, feminine gender noun)
zawja = spouse / partner / mate / opposite / couple / pair
ha = of her (refer to the nafs, feminine gender noun)For you, this sentence means
"he has created you from a single person (Adam) , and he has created from her (Adam) his spouse".In that case, the woman has been created from the man.
For me, this sentence means
"he has created you from a single soul , and he has created, of the same nature as her (this soul) her mate".In that case, the women and the man were both created from a single soul (nafsin wahidatin ? to me more properly defined).
Let?s search the Quran to see which of these 2 understandings is the best.
In the following verse, we learn that the nafs has been formed by God.
Consider the human self (nafsin), and how it is formed in accordance with what it is meant to be, and how it is imbued with moral failings as well as with consciousness of God!
As a consequence, we all are (men and as well as women) the product of a soul (nafs) formed by God.
The following verses explain us how the 2 elements of a couple have been created.
and that it is He who creates the two kinds ( alzzawjayni) - the male and the female - out of a drop of sperm as it is poured forth,
Was he not once a drop of sperm that had been spilt, and thereafter became a germ-cell - whereupon He created and formed in accordance with what was meant to be, and fashioned out of it the two sexes( alzzawjayni), the male and the female?
And Allah did create you from dust; then from a sperm-drop; then He made you in pairs ( azwajan).
In these 3 verses, it is clear that the man as well as the woman have been created in the same way (and not the latter out of the former). And then, they are made in couples.
The verse confirms it
He has created you out of one living entity, and out of it fashioned its mate ( zawjaha) ; and he has bestowed upon you four kinds of cattle of either sex (azwajin); He creates you in your mothers? wombs, one act of creation after another, in threefold depths of darkness. Thus is God, your Sustainer unto Him belongs all dominion there is no deity save Him how, then, can you lose sight of the truth?
We find in this verse nearly the same words as in . But furthermore, we learn that God has created the human being in the wombs of their mothers.
But the main teaching of these verses is that they, like the verse are not about the creation of some primary human being, but about the way we all (as human beings) are created from a drop of sperm, in the wombs of our mothers.
The following verses are interesting too, in the way they show us to what extent the principle of dualism is omnipresent in the quran, without that, at any place, one of the male element of the couple is said to be taking precedence over the female element (or the one created out of the other).
Limitless in His glory is He who has created opposites ( azwaja) in whatever the earth produces, and in men?s own selves, and in that of which they have no knowledge.
HE IT IS who has made the earth a cradle for you, and has traced out for you ways thereon," and sends down waters from the sky and by this means We bring forth various kinds (azwajan) of plants.
And He it is who has created all opposites ( azwaja)
Have they, then, never considered the earth - how much of every noble kind (zawjin) We have caused to grow thereon?
In these two will two kinds ( zawja) of every fruit be .
And it is He who has spread the earth wide and placed on it firm mountains and running waters, and created thereon two sexes (zawja) of every plant;' causes the night to cover the day.
And in everything have We created opposites ( zawja),
The same idea is found in the verse
The Originator of the heavens and the earth. He has given you mates (azwajan) of your own kind (min anfusikum) - just as among the beasts mates (azwajan) - to multiply you thereby there is nothing like unto Him, and He alone is all-hearing, all-seeing.
This verse shows that there is no difference between the beasts and the human beings, in that God has created us in the same way, in couples.
The plural of the word nafs in anfus ; so, anfusikum can be translated by "your souls", "your persons", "your people", "yourselves"....
As a reminder, min = from / out of / of the same nature as / among
What is then the meaning of min anfusikum in this verse ?
In this verse, God does not address specifically the human males. He is not saying to all human males that he has given them spouses out of themselves. This would be contradiction with the fact that that men and women are created, in the same way, from a drop a sperm in their mothers? wombs.
The truth is that God is addressing all human beings (men and women) ; and he his saying them that he has given them partners of the same nature as themselves (of the same species) ; or created out of themselves (from the sperm of their father and in the womb of their mother), or among themselves.
But nowhere (even in the bible) it has been mentioned that (symbolically or not) all women would have been created out of the men.I will not comment the verses nor , because it is the same as in .
In the light of all that, my conclusion is that the right understanding of the first sentence of the verse is mine, even though, grammatically, both are possible.
For me, this sentence means
"he has created you from a single soul , and he has created, of the same nature as her (this soul) her mate".
Or
"he has created you from a single soul , and he has created, of like nature, his mate".It is interesting to note, that, in the dictionary Al-Mufradat fi Gharib Al-Quran, one of the possible translations of nafsinwahidatin is "a sinfle life cell".
Thus, this expression may refer to the smallest cell defining the human being, which comes from the fecundation between the spermatozoid and the ovum. This may be what Asad means by the term "living entity".God knows best
Peace
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Brotyher JM
Bro
without going through all the above mostely manipulation, I want to pick on one clear cut manipulation by you and show everyone how the Quran will slam dank it
You say
For me, this sentence means
"he has created you from a single soul , and he has created, of the same nature as her (this soul) her mate".
Or
"he has created you from a single soul , and he has created, of like nature, his mate".Ahmed says
I?m really glad that it is for you as many will recognise its flaw, let me confirm it
You added many words that does not exist in the verse
You added ?of the same nature as her? as = ?Minha?, while it can only mean ?Zawjiha? metaphorically, it seems you are confused here bro
We have two words
Minha, means ?from her?
Zawjiha means ?her mate?
I don?t know why you are mixing the two?
However let me surprise you sir and prove your Arabic ignorance
?of the same nature as her? or ?of like nature? does not really mean Zawjiha rather it means in Arabic ?Mithlaha? it looks in Arabic like this ? ? for feminine, ? ? ?Mithlahu? for masculine, and ? ?, for plural
there are many examples in the Quran what I brought to you are the ones that are associated with the creation, i.e. we will see the two words together ?khalaqa Mithla?, i.e. create of the same nature
Do they not consider that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, is able to create their like, and He has appointed for them a doom about which there is no doubt? But the unjust do not consent to aught but denying.
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Is not He Who created the heavens and the earth able to create the like of them? Yea! and He is the Creator (of all), the Knower
(81)
The like of which were not created in the (other) cities;
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See, in the all the above we read that ?Create of the same nature? means ?Khlaqa Mithla?
Do we read this in 41?,
Of course not, we only read ?Khalqa Minha?
O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom ye claim (your rights) of one another, and toward the wombs (that bare you). Lo! Allah hath been a watcher over you.
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It is obvious to the naked eye how you manipulated 41 and I have to tell you bro, Itqi Allah
Salam
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Peace Ahmed,
"in the same nature", or "of the same kind" is one of the possible translations of the adverb min.
Anyway, the fact is that all you, me, or any human being, have been created from a single nafs, as well as our mate.
This single nafs is more likely to be the very essence of the human being, rather than Adam.Peace
See Amina Wadud, Qur'an and Woman Rereading the Sacred Text from a Woman's Perspective, page 18.
Excerpt
Min primarily has 2 functions in Arabic. It can be used for the English preposition ?from? to imply an extraction of a thing from other things. It can also be used to imply ?in the same nature as?.You can read it online here http//www.amazon.fr/gp/reader/0195128362/ref=sib_dp_pt/171-9653627-5785045#reader-page
Obviously, Yusuf Ali and Shakir had knowledge of this possible meaning of min
(Yusuf Ali) O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.
(Shakir) O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind) and spread from these two, many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you.
See also http//www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=491®ion=E1&CR=
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Peace,
JM, in Quantumphysics some refer to it as the Quantum conciousness, see
http//www.quantumconsciousness.org/
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Peace folks,
Question bro JM, are you a student or doctor researching dna, cloning, origin, etc, etc.? I mean what will you gain, whats the purpose of discussing anything which doesnt matter today.
Finally if you are trying to eat the biggest fish. Then I must tell you AB is not a fish in the Ocean, AB is the Ocean. And what do they say on national geographic; Think Again!
yeah Tihnk Aiagn!
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Peace,
JM, in Quantumphysics some refer to it as the Quantum conciousness, see
http//www.quantumconsciousness.org/
Could you expatiate ?
I don't understand why you are referring to such complicated notions.
Perhaps I were unclear ?Peace
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They call it the One conciousness, the universe is one conciousness and our conciousness is formed out of that conciousness. Everything in creation carries a little bit of that conciousness with them, even molecules. This conciousness gives them there form and function. When i read the above verse, i read this
(Shakir) O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you(your Nafs) from a single Conciousness(the Quantum Conciousness) and created its mate of the same (kind)(other Nafs) and spread from these two(2 kinds of Nafs), many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you.
Peace
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They call it the One conciousness, the universe is one conciousness and our conciousness is formed out of that conciousness. Everything in creation carries a little bit of that conciousness with them, even molecules. This conciousness gives them there form and function. When i read the above verse, i read this
(Shakir) O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you(your Nafs) from a single Conciousness(the Quantum Conciousness) and created its mate of the same (kind)(other Nafs) and spread from these two(2 kinds of Nafs), many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you.
Peace
OK, I understand now.
But this is not exactly my interpretation.Peace
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Peace,
But it is mine.. )
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Peace be upon yuo ArnoldYasin,
and was influenced by the Isis-cult who believed Isis was a virgin given birth to Horus.
Just to clarify this story (because it is just as corrupted as this message has become), the original story was NEVER taken literal. Heru (greeks call horus) represented the WILL. The WILL is what is missing in the majority of mankind. They are BLIND FOLLOWERS (i.e. why do you follow what your father followed?). They follow the WILL of others, instead of using thier own WILL. When you dont use your WILL you follow desire/emotion.
Picture this, you are standing at a crossraod trying to decide if you should go left or right, all of a sudden someone comes up and PUSHES you to the left. That is what your emotions do, they PUSH you in a certain direction. When you do something based on like and dislike, that is not choosing, that is not WILLING. If you are trying to quit smoking and you are at a gathering where you just ate a good meal and all the cigarrette smokers are now getting ready to light up, your emotions are PUSHING you to smoke. If you do not smoke, THAT is willing, because there is no energy pushing you not to smoke.
So the point is that Heru(horus) is your WILL. Auset (Isis) is your faculty of TRANCE, which is the means by which all conditionings are aquired in your life. Auset, when devoted to the ressurection of Ausar(Osirus) - The God within-, gives birth to the WILL. This is to say that when all your thoughts and actions are directed towards purifying your NAFS, your will is born. It is a "virgin" birth because no other is needed except the God's Word.
And so the story continued through many traditions.
Regarding Adam, that is the human intellect. The part of your subconsious that gives verbal expression to your thoughts. No the first human being. Remember this is not a fabricated history, this is guidance for human behavior.
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Peace,
Yes, Idolfree, i believe Adam stands for the first peoples and the whole of humanity. As for the Isis-cult. In Greece, it became something different then from the Egyptian theology. I was refering to the Greek cult, not the Egyptian cult. If you look at the statues and pictures of Isis with Horus and compare them with Mary and Jesus in the catholic church, you will see they are the same.