Thinking Wrong!
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I love reading all your posts. They make me think deeper into subjects instead of addressing them superficially. I appreciate your metaphor of the garden, I think it drives the point home quite neatly. God Bless you!
peace
that's what the Quran does too, except people don't want to accept it.
One question for Kyle, can we use our Lawns as gardens? because I can weed my lawn. -
Peace be upon you S2S,
I love reading all your posts. They make me think deeper into subjects instead of addressing them superficially. I appreciate your metaphor of the garden, I think it drives the point home quite neatly. God Bless you!
May The God bless you as well ) Thank you for your kind words.
Peace All
P.S. So when can we expect your book to hit the stores Idolfree1
;D Honestly, I would love to write a book, but there is MUCH MORE I still dont understand. Thank you though for the vote of confidence, it inspires me to work harder on my behavior, therefore allowing me to be worthy of God's inspiriation.
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enjoying pork in the mind, Is that a sin?
It is a sin. I believe no one can say that it is not a sin. But we can expect that God shall not make us accountable for some of such sins.
Children may enjoy food through contemplation. Do adults do this? Probably not.
Adults may enjoy sex and romance through contemplation.
Enjoying wealth, power, fame through contemplation? It is not sin to contemplate, but it is a sin of wasting time.
Enjoying hatred, envy, anger, revenge through contemplation? Indication of a sinful mind.
Thank you Kumar but Im still not clear. need more input!
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Peace be upon you Marlboro,
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quite agree but enjoying pork in the mind, Is that a sin ? We water a seed inorder it grows but here is no watering. If I am not wrong watering means moving towards the sin, not commiting. Nei?Watering of a bad seed is sin, yes, because we are FREE to ignore any thought or image that comes to our "sphere of awareness". When we continue to entertain incorrect thinking/imaging, we are building the foundation for the action. We are continuing to REINFORCE the EMOTION of it, even though we may not be acting it out.
Liek a man who imagines having sex with his co worker. He ma not act on it but he is reinforcing emotions in the wrong direction. If she one day gives a hint to him that she is interested, now he has built up all these emotions about it from his thinking and imagining and he may be "powerless" to stop himself from carrying it out. But if he maintained his chastity in his thinking/actions, he will be better prepared for such an event.
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Peace,
Can i comment on the word 'sin'? For one, there are unlimited philosophical discussions on the word sin, but to understand the word ithm(arabic mostly trandslated as 'sin', you have to look at the context and the different ancient arabic meanings, and it means something that is harmfull for society or individuals. Which i prefer as meaning. Pork is forbidden because it is harmfull, aduletry is forbidden because it is harmfull and so on, the term sin is a religious term which doesn't hold water when using the Quran and logic...
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Peace idol-free. Sensational post....Your post is bang on the money.... bravo
When we continually entertain bad thoughts intentionally,we can cause our 'thoughts'/emotions to materialise into 'sinful'/innapropriate actions...
We need to cultivate good positive thoughts,and reject negative bad thoughts....
The power of auto-suggestion is strong...But the power of your will to good can be even stonger if you train it.....the mind is like a muscle.....If you train it properly it can be very strong,if you dont train it,and take good care of it by positive thinking/action it can wear away and you will be weak and at the mercy of innappropriate/harmful/sinful emotions,and may not be able to resist bad temptations.....
With regards to the mind,use it or lose it.....you are responsible for your own reactions/intentions to the thoughts that come to you....You are not the unintentional thoughts that come to your mind,and you dont control the bad thoughts that can come to your mind......but you CAN and DO control your reactions to the thoughts....
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I don't like "sin" either.
Something's either Good or Bad. We have to do good and not bad.
A sin can actually be something good. For example in islam, listening to music could be a sin, shaving could be a sin, wearing silk could be a sin.
The term sin is the result of people not using their minds to understand the truth but believing blindly. -
Peace be upon you Enquirer,
Thank you , your post was just as good. This is what it is all about, real , down to earth , applicable wisdom.
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Peace be upon you,
Or the record, I dont like "sin" either, but If thats the term I need for the group I am talking to (obviously not this group), then I use it as best I can. )
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As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully.I'm truly sorry for opening this specific item but what, if the person thinks about fornication in his mind? I mean, i did read all of thes eposts but if thinking of a sin is a sin itself and if therefore we are going to be punished for that sinful thought or sinful thinking, would i be correct, if i said that we will be rewarded, if we kept good thoughts and started thinking how we will help someone?
Example if i imagine that i'm helping someone or that i grow a wish in my heart to help someone or that i plan to help somone, will i be rewarded for that thought?
Thanks.
As salamu alaykum. jedi -
Peace,
Your deeds come from your thoughts. I think you still hold on to the persian myth of hell and heaven. The idea of doing something 'wrong' is connected if it can help you grow or not. If you think about adultery, it is not a 'sin', but does it help you? Does it benefit you? If it does not, then you have waisted the precious gift God has given you. You will not be punished for it, as you 'punished' yourself already by waisting the gift.
It all has to do with if it benefits you or society, that is what the Quran is about, all of God's laws are about.
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peace arnold
you might need to create a new thread and expand on that heaven/hell myth, i am curious
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Peace,
Can i comment on the word 'sin'? For one, there are unlimited philosophical discussions on the word sin, but to understand the word ithm(arabic mostly trandslated as 'sin', you have to look at the context and the different ancient arabic meanings, and it means something that is harmfull for society or individuals. Which i prefer as meaning. Pork is forbidden because it is harmfull, aduletry is forbidden because it is harmfull and so on, the term sin is a religious term which doesn't hold water when using the Quran and logic...
Hello Arnold,
You like playing with the words, heres one for you; 'Pork is forbidden because it is harmfull'
Prove it, it is harmful
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Peace,
I have studied Biochemistry myself, and i know healthspecialist who also condemn it.
But here's a start
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5666.0
God always has a logic reason, not just because He wants it that way....
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Hello again!
Peace,
I have studied Biochemistry myself, and i know healthspecialist who also condemn it.
But here's a start
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5666.0
Professor Hans is one of the few you can count on fingers. He is in no win seat!
You should read more specially about benifts of pig and pig meat.God always has a logic reason, not just because He wants it that way....
Sure he does, but his logic is above our capacity, else you can later explain me for what reason God created us.
Also I dont see God saying harmful. It is your logic 'pig meat is harmful' where as 6145 translates;
- freeminds - .....the meat of pig, for it is foul.....
- yousaf ali - .....the flesh of swine,- for it is an abomination.....
- pickthal - .....swineflesh - for that verily is foul.....
- qxp - .....the flesh of swine for it is disapproved.........
Nowhere it says or mean harmful, input please?
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Peace,
There are lot's of doctors who say this, only it is to bad few publish for the public. Probably there is to much money involved. But the article i gave is enough if you look at the data given, plus i'm wondering about the 'benefits' of pigmeat? First time i hear that one...
Most prefer the word unclean/contimanited, and as Khalifa was a biochemist, like me, he knows which word fitted best, contiminated....as pigmeat is contiminated with the bad cholestrol, cancer producing chemicals and so on....
Shakir Say I do not find in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden for an eater to eat of except that it be what has died of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine-- for that surely is unclean-- or that which is a transgression, other than (the name of) Allah having been invoked on it; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely your Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.
Sarwar We made unlawful for the Jews all the claw-footed animals, fat of the cows, sheep and goats except what is found on their backs, intestines and whatever is mixed with their bones. Thus, did We recompense them for their rebellion and We are certainly truthful.
Khalifa Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except (1) carrion, (2) running blood, (3) the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, and (4) the meat of animals blasphemously dedicated to other than GOD." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
Hilali/Khan Say (O Muhammad SAW) "I find not in that which has been inspired to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be Maytatah (a dead animal) or blood poured forth (by slaughtering or the like), or the flesh of swine (pork, etc.) for that surely is impure, or impious (unlawful) meat (of an animal) which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allah (or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., or on which Allahs Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering). But whosoever is forced by necessity without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits, (for him) certainly, your Lord is OftForgiving, Most Merciful."
H/K/Saheeh Say, "I do not find within that which was revealed to me forbidden to one who would eat it unless it be a dead animal or blood spilled out or the flesh of swine for indeed, it is impure or it be disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah. But whoever is forced , neither desiring nor transgressing , then indeed, your Lord is Forgiving and Merciful."
Malik O Muhammad tell them I did not find in what has been revealed to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, except the meat of an already dead animal, or running blood or the flesh of swine (pork) - for these are unclean - or flesh of an animal which has become profane because of slaughtering in the names other than Allah. Even so, if anyone is forced in a helpless situation, intending neither disobedience nor transgression, you will find your Lord Forgiving, Merciful.
QXP Say, "I do not find in the Revelation given to me, any food that is prohibited for one who wishes to eat except Carrion (dead meat), running blood as against organ meats, the flesh of swine for it is disapproved, or anything (not just meat) which, in disobedience, has been dedicated to other than Allah." If one is forced by dire need without being deliberate and without transgressing, your Lord is Forgiving, Merciful. (2173), (53).
Maulana Ali Say, I find not in that which is revealed to me aught forbidden for an eater to eat thereof, except that it be what dies of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine -- for that surely is unclean -- or what is a transgression, other than (the name of) Allah having been invoked on it. But whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely thy Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.
Qaribullah Say 'I find nothing in what has been revealed to me that forbids any one to eat of any food except the dead, running blood, and the flesh of swine for these are unclean and that which has been hallowed in its slaughter to other than Allah. But whoever is constrained to eat of any of these, not intending to sin or transgress, then your Lord is Forgiving, the Most Merciful.
JM Rodwell SAY I find not in what hath been revealed to me aught forbidden to the eater to eat, except it be that which dieth of itself, or blood poured forth, or swine's flesh; for this is unclean or profane, being slain in the name of other than God. But whoso sha
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Peace Arnold,
There are lot's of doctors who say this, only it is to bad few publish for the public. Probably there is to much money involved.
whatever
But the article i gave is enough if you look at the data given, plus i'm wondering about the 'benefits' of pigmeat? First time i hear that one...
I am not a pig eater or pig supporter, but honestly if this is 1st time you heard, your vast knowledge is one sided.
Most prefer the word unclean/contimanited, and as Khalifa was a biochemist, like me, he knows which word fitted best, contiminated....as pigmeat is contiminated with the bad cholestrol, cancer producing chemicals and so on....
Biochemistry and then sticking to one view, you change colors quickly, anyway who says 'unclean' = harmful?
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Peace,
For a person who answers with whatever, you don't have much to put in. As i haven't heard any benefits of pigmeat is because there really aren't any... Change colours? Weird way to discuss......i haven't seen one evidence from you that shows the opposite of what i presented...if you have any info that supports your thinking please share.
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Peace Marlboro
I think it's common knowledge that pork really is bad for the health. It contains harmful parasites such as protozoan ciliate, the pork tapeworm, and the trichina roundworm. Apparently these are parasites that can be transferred from pig meat to human intestines and cause numerous disease and infection. They also live in human muscle fibers and have a life span of 40 years wreaking havoc on its host, the human, in the form of fatigue, headaches, constipation, pain, inflamation, on and off flu-like symptoms etc etc. Not to mention the amount of bad cholesterol it contains.
What's the fascintation with pork anyway D
I remember when I was a child my neighbor was baby-sitting me and neither she nor I knew that I shouldn't eat pork. She gave me fresh pepperoni to eat with crackers. I thought it tasted so good I ate the whole roll! Then I came home and got extremely sick and couldn't stop vomitting. It was then that my mom told me I shouldn't eat that. Somehow my body gave me the same advice .
So what's the evidence that proves pork is good for you? or were you just playing devil's advocate ? ;DPeace All
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Peace Arnold,
Peace,
For a person who answers with whatever, you don't have much to put in. As i haven't heard any benefits of pigmeat is because there really aren't any... Change colours? Weird way to discuss......i haven't seen one evidence from you that shows the opposite of what i presented...if you have any info that supports your thinking please share.
If keep inputing nonsense better not.
Change colors! offcourse first you said its 'harmful' then 'unclean', both words are world apart.Evidence for what?? God said forbidden, cos 'foul' / 'abomination' / 'disapproved' / 'unclean' / 'impure' (6145)
thats wht all translations conclude. Not harmfulWhy are you using word harmful? To make your point or to prove doctor right
Peace!
PS; Any arabic speaker please translate 6145, it will help me understand.