Thinking Wrong!
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Peace,
For a person who answers with whatever, you don't have much to put in. As i haven't heard any benefits of pigmeat is because there really aren't any... Change colours? Weird way to discuss......i haven't seen one evidence from you that shows the opposite of what i presented...if you have any info that supports your thinking please share.
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Peace Marlboro
I think it's common knowledge that pork really is bad for the health. It contains harmful parasites such as protozoan ciliate, the pork tapeworm, and the trichina roundworm. Apparently these are parasites that can be transferred from pig meat to human intestines and cause numerous disease and infection. They also live in human muscle fibers and have a life span of 40 years wreaking havoc on its host, the human, in the form of fatigue, headaches, constipation, pain, inflamation, on and off flu-like symptoms etc etc. Not to mention the amount of bad cholesterol it contains.
What's the fascintation with pork anyway D
I remember when I was a child my neighbor was baby-sitting me and neither she nor I knew that I shouldn't eat pork. She gave me fresh pepperoni to eat with crackers. I thought it tasted so good I ate the whole roll! Then I came home and got extremely sick and couldn't stop vomitting. It was then that my mom told me I shouldn't eat that. Somehow my body gave me the same advice .
So what's the evidence that proves pork is good for you? or were you just playing devil's advocate ? ;DPeace All
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Peace Arnold,
Peace,
For a person who answers with whatever, you don't have much to put in. As i haven't heard any benefits of pigmeat is because there really aren't any... Change colours? Weird way to discuss......i haven't seen one evidence from you that shows the opposite of what i presented...if you have any info that supports your thinking please share.
If keep inputing nonsense better not.
Change colors! offcourse first you said its 'harmful' then 'unclean', both words are world apart.Evidence for what?? God said forbidden, cos 'foul' / 'abomination' / 'disapproved' / 'unclean' / 'impure' (6145)
thats wht all translations conclude. Not harmfulWhy are you using word harmful? To make your point or to prove doctor right
Peace!
PS; Any arabic speaker please translate 6145, it will help me understand.
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As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully. groupOkay, pork is a sin. We should not eat it and we won't. handshake
I think we shouldn't eat pork not only because it is a sin, but because Allah Most Merciful says we shouldn't. We have to obey Allah Most Merciful. sunOf course, Allah Most High proves to us that pork is bad for us, that alcohol is bad for us and when we try those things, we ask for Mercy and Allah Most Powerful forgives us when we repent and become better.
Who will forgive, if not Allah Most Merciful? peace
As salamu alaykum. jedi -
Salaam all
I wouldn't say that something is haram to eat because it is harmful. I do not think we have to know why. We just obey and believe that Allah is the most Knowledeable and Merciful
There are other foods that are haram and definitely not harmful, e.g the food of kafers, even if it is vegetarian. Animals which are haram to eat (other than pigmeat and dead animals) are all animals that were killed but not for the purpose of eating them Allah forbade eating an animal that suffocated, but not one I strangled to cook and eat.
There are also other things that are harmful but not forbidden animal fat, too much salt, too much bananas, egg yolk, peanuts (specially when they develop fungus)...
As for pigmeat, I wouldn't say it is more harmful than beef (specially a madcow!!), even if some researchers said so, where is the proof? Pigmeat eaters are the best sportsmen/women, intelligent and live longer. Of course this is not because they eat pork, but eating pork does not seem to act in a harmful way to them.
And what if someday genetic engineering, or another "Pasteur", succeeded in eliminating all the parasites and worms in pigmeat and rendered it harmless? Would it be halal then?
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Saima;
I wouldn't say that something is haram to eat because it is harmful. I do not think we have to know why. We just obey and believe that Allah is the most Knowledeable and MercifulThere are other foods that are haram and definitely not harmful, e.g the food of kafers, even if it is vegetarian. Animals which are haram to eat (other than pigmeat and dead animals) are all animals that were killed but not for the purpose of eating them Allah forbade eating an animal that suffocated, but not one I strangled to cook and eat.
There are also other things that are harmful but not forbidden animal fat, too much salt, too much bananas, egg yolk, peanuts (specially when they develop fungus)...
As for pigmeat, I wouldn't say it is more harmful than beef (specially a madcow!!), even if some researchers said so, where is the proof? Pigmeat eaters are the best sportsmen/women, intelligent and live longer. Of course this is not because they eat pork, but eating pork does not seem to act in a harmful way to them.
And what if someday genetic engineering, or another "Pasteur", succeeded in eliminating all the parasites and worms in pigmeat and rendered it harmless? Would it be halal then?
bravo
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Peace,
Then you would still be left with that fact that pigmeat has all the wrong chemicals, the wrong cholestrol and so on, even after eliminating the parasites you're only halfway.
And your example of the athletes is not really a good one. A lot of athletes also use chemicals to enhance their performances, but these chemicals destroy their body. Most athletes are only in their prime for a few years. So this is a short term example. We are talking here about long term examples, that is the difference.
Everything has a genuine reason, to say, oh God just forbid it without a reason is not my way of thinking. I don't demand answers, but i do look for them. All the 'harams' inside the Quran are connected with that it is truly harmfull for individuals or society, not because God wants to 'test' us.
Peace
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Peace,
Arnold
Then you would still be left with that fact that pigmeat has all the wrong chemicals, the wrong cholestrol and so on, even after eliminating the parasites you're only halfway.You havent proved yet.
And your example of the athletes is not really a good one.
Same can be said about the doc you quoted.
A lot of athletes also use chemicals to enhance their performances, but these chemicals destroy their body
.Irrelevant.
Most athletes are only in their prime for a few years. So this is a short term example. We are talking here about long term examples, that is the difference.
rotfl you want them to stay in prime for decades ?
Everything has a genuine reason, to say, oh God just forbid it without a reason is not my way of thinking.
In this case the reason is 'foul' / 'abomination' / 'disapproved' / 'unclean' / 'impure'. But this reason isnt enough for you, and you keep on adding reasons to a reason.
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Peace,
Marlboro, your answers shows you cannot answer it with a scientific intelligent answer. When we are talking about chemicals as be found in pigs metabolism, it only has effect on the long term, so the athletes-example cannot be applied here. My remark on the chemicals athletes sometimes use, was that these have a effect on the long term, and not on the short term, just like pigmeat. So their performances is not connected with taking unhealthy subtsances or not, as these only have effect on their bodies on the long term. So it is not irrelevant at all.
And give me one thing that is 'haram' in the Quran that isn't connected with harmfull for individuals or society......
But indeed we strayed here to off-topic....
forgive us lady elke
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Salam,
Let's stay on topic please and let us control our ego here. peace
Ontopic
What about verse 3337? Didn't Muhammad had a secret crush on the wife of his adopted son? He kept it a secret, while God knew all along what he was feeling and thinking. Or isn't that true and did I let myself get influenced by the hadith?And you said to the one who was blessed by God, and blessed by you "Keep your wife and reverence God," and you hid inside yourself what God wished to proclaim. And you feared the people, while it was God you were supposed to fear. So when Zayd ended his relationship with his wife, We had you marry her, to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended. And God's command is always done. (3337)
However, I don't see bad thoughts as a sin. I for example had many bad thoughts about murdering someone, but I never acted on those thoughts. I think a lot of you have bad thoughts, but you also don't act on 'em. We do have to draw line somewhere! We need to control our thoughts and not the other way around.
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Peace Heart,
How did the secret crush come in? The verse goes you hid inside yourself what God wished to proclaim...not what he wished. Meaning that he was fearful of the people's reaction to what God wanted established no wrongdoing for believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended.
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Peace Heart,
How did the secret crush come in? The verse goes you hid inside yourself what God wished to proclaim...not what he wished. Meaning that he was fearful of the people's reaction to what God wanted established no wrongdoing for believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended.
Salam,
I might been influenced by the stories of the hadith which claimed that the prophet had a secret crush on the wife of his adopted son. I could be wrong ofcourse and I hope someone can give me another interpretation of that verse. I would like to know what God means by that verse. I thought it was about Muhammads secret feelings towards the wife of his adopted son, Zaid. God couln't have forced Muhammad to marry the wife of his adopted son just to show people that there's no wrongdoing in marrying the wives of the believers adopted sons, could He? That's why I think it must be because of Muhammads feeling towards the wife of his adopted son.
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Peace,
I don't think it's about forcing. I don't think the prophet was forced into anything, but he was human and felt fearful of what the people might think if he did that as in the verse which God is addressing by saying you feared the people while it was God you were supposed to fear. While reading the verse, I don't see a crush implied or referenced anywhere. Infact this is the first time I read something like that tbh, I always thought that the meaning of the verse is quite clear as in my previous post.
If anyone has an alternative explanation of the verse I would be interested in seeing where this is mentioned, if anywhere in the quran? Thanks.
edited to correct
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Peace,
Only differs that if it is about Muhammed. He thinks that Zaid is just something like john doe, and that it can be anyone who is talked too. But the result is the same, doesn't matter if it is the prophet or not. The person was scared what people would say that he wanted to marry the ex-wife of his adopted son, while God has permitted these marriages. And God didn't like that the people could make something haram while it is not.
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If thoughts of evil comes to mind then this is what we need to do, i guess if we don't then the thoughts may turn real
200- If a suggestion from Satan assail thy (mind), seek refuge with Allah; for He heareth and knoweth (all things).
201- Those who fear Allah, when a thought of evil from Satan assaults them, bring Allah to remembrance, when lo! they see (aright)!
(200)
(201)Salam
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Peace Heart,
How did the secret crush come in? The verse goes you hid inside yourself what God wished to proclaim...not what he wished. Meaning that he was fearful of the people's reaction to what God wanted established no wrongdoing for believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended.
Exactly
Salam
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If thoughts of evil comes to mind then this is what we need to do, i guess if we don't then the thoughts may turn real
200- If a suggestion from Satan assail thy (mind), seek refuge with Allah; for He heareth and knoweth (all things).
201- Those who fear Allah, when a thought of evil from Satan assaults them, bring Allah to remembrance, when lo! they see (aright)!
(200)
(201)Salam
Thank you, thank you very much, this certainly answers my question.
Salam