IS THE MULTI-FAITH CONCEPT COMPATIBLE WITH ISLAMIC VALUES?
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Salaam Elena
You quoted a mere mortal but I'm about to quote a Higher Source (ALLAH)
Qur?aan 319
The only religion approved by Allah is Islaam. Those who received the scripture dispute this fact, knowingly. This is due to jealousy on their part. For those who reject Allah?s revelations, Allah is most strict in reckoning.Qur?aan 385
Anyone who accepts other than Islaam as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter, he will be with the losers.Allah has clearly and distictively said "Islaam" and nothing else. Islaam is the only religion revealed and accepted by Allah.
Salaam
Peace
idolfree has said several times in the forum
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Alhamdulillah Sister Zainab
This was so POWERFUL, it will make the weak tremble
It is very true that according to the Qur'aan all strictly monotheist religions have the same root, obviously, i.e. they are all a Message from the same Divine Power. But when the originality of any of these monotheist faiths are changed by human tampering, then these faiths cannot be considered having the original Divine link. Judaism and Christianity as followed today are a spectacular example of this deviation from its pure Divine origins.
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"When one refers to Faith in the One Almighty God, that means religion .. of course.
Allah (The Most High) chooses for His guidance only those who make themselves worthy of it through their efforts of devotion towards Him, humility and ethical deeds with His thought in their hearts. Once a person becomes privileged enough to be chosen for this guidance, that's when his/her perception and grasp of knowledge keep improving. And the dictates and narrations of the Glorious Qur'aan are elucidated automatically. Many a times when Allah choses a person for guidance, He starts enlightening that person's mind & heart through the verses of the Qur'aan. He has His own ways of showing this privilege. We cannot predict nor make our own lectures as to how the Divine guidance comes to different individuals. It can come to you in a certain way, and it can come to someone else in quite another way."
Salam Al-Khidr,
My understanding from the Quran is that any strict or pure monotheism can be considered of the the same faith so the multi-faith concept would not exist for me unless by multi-faith you meant multi-religion concept or one global religion, that is, when you consider rituals.
Peace. Myr.Br. al-Khidr has already mentioned in his article that Judasim and Christianity started as strictly monotheist Faiths but were gradually altered by its followers.
It is very true that according to the Qur'aan all strictly monotheist religions have the same root, obviously, i.e. they are all a Message from the same Divine Power. But when the originality of any of these monotheist faiths are changed by human tampering, then these faiths cannot be considered having the original Divine link. Judaism and Christianity as followed today are a spectacular example of this deviation from its pure Divine origins.
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Salaam.
I agree, only Allah Most Merciful guides whomever He wills.
If Allah Most Powerful leaves someone astray, He does that with a reason.
Of course, Allah Most High, knows best.Salaam.
Absolutely brother Alen, you are so correct.
Walaikum Salaam ..
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Peace
I really liked this article here. Its not one of those topics where u sway on all sides, you choose whether or not Allah revealed one religion called Islam or there are several and from the Qur'aan evidence there is but only one religion and that is Islam.
All of Allah's Prophets were Muslims and they preached Islam since the beginning.
Qur'aan 1777-"This has been consistently the case with all the Messengers that We sent before you, you will find that Our system never changes."
Allah's system or way which is Islam has always been the same.
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Peace Alkhidr , sis Zainab, No-Shirk,
Thank you for your writings. I like this way of discussion. civilizationlevel -for the lack of a better word- of discussion is high!
let?s set an example! as we are supposed to.When the conditions to be guided are not met, there will be no guidance!
Quran en scriptures and nothing else can not be a source of guidance UNLESS FIRST couples of conditions come to exist!
These are conditions of SOUL.
FIRST COMES A MOVEMENT WITHIN OUR SOUL BY OUR DOING, THEN COMES A MOVEMENT WITHIN OUR SOUL AND HEART BY THE DOING OF HIS MAJESTY! One comes to experience everthing from a different vantage point.I have christian friends who through our exchnge of ideas have come to get acquainted with HIS ALMIGHTY! They fully understand that this big change in their life is GRANTED TO THEM and read their books with a different eye!
A chinese who has never heard of Quran and lives a rightouse life will be guided. We are all created equal. THE DIVINE LIGHT IS WAITING TO GUIDE US! NO NEED TO MAGNIFY THE DIFFERENCES! MAGNIFY THE ALMIGHTY in words and actions! 100% and fully.
Look into 2-2/2-3 for conditions of guidance!peace,
- It is upon Us to guide.
- And to Us is the end and the beginning.
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Peace Alkhidr , sis Zainab, No-Shirk,
Thank you for your writings. I like this way of discussion. civilizationlevel -for the lack of a better word- of discussion is high!
let?s set an example! as we are supposed to.When the conditions to be guided are not met, there will be no guidance!
Quran en scriptures and nothing else can not be a source of guidance UNLESS FIRST couples of conditions come to exist!
These are conditions of SOUL.
FIRST COMES A MOVEMENT WITHIN OUR SOUL BY OUR DOING, THEN COMES A MOVEMENT WITHIN OUR SOUL AND HEART BY THE DOING OF HIS MAJESTY! One comes to experience everthing from a different vantage point.I have christian friends who through our exchnge of ideas have come to get acquainted with HIS ALMIGHTY! They fully understand that this big change in their life is GRANTED TO THEM and read their books with a different eye!
A chinese who has never heard of Quran and lives a rightouse life will be guided. We are all created equal. THE DIVINE LIGHT IS WAITING TO GUIDE US! NO NEED TO MAGNIFY THE DIFFERENCES! MAGNIFY THE ALMIGHTY in words and actions! 100% and fully.
Look into 2-2/2-3 for conditions of guidance!peace
Salaam Alaikum / Peace alpha
I never said that all Christians or Chinese are bad nor will I say they're all glorious. And neither would I make such sweeping generalizations about Muslims or anyone for that matter. This is only for Allah to decide. I'd neither be so intrusive nor so paranoid. Besides, this is clearly not the essence of br. Khidr's article according to my perception, so I'd won't go any further into it.
However, as per the topic and according to my humble understanding, this very dynamic article by br. al-Khidr is basically about the link of Islamic Faith as defined in the Qur'aan with other faiths. In other words, guidance as you are talking about is one thing. As I stated earlier, guidance is bestowed only by the Divine Power in various ways to whomsoever He pleases and for whatever reasons He deems proper. Again, this is the domain of Allah and not for us to hamper with. But once guidance is already acquired by an individual as per the principles of the Qur'aan, how do we define its link with other faiths? This issue is important because all faiths do not define the existence of the Divine Power in a manner similar to the Qur'aan. Thus, the in-topic discussion is not the process of acquiring Divine guidance, rather it is to analyse its compatibility with other ideologies in view of Quraanic values after it is acquired. For this reason, I appreciate the distinction that br. Khidr very aptly made between ethics & spirituality. That gives a very realistic connotation to his article which is ever so vital. Last but not least, personally, as a Muslim, the cornerstone of my perspective would definitely be the Qur'aan just as the perspective of most persons of other faiths would ensue from their respective scriptures, social teachings or personal values based on those teachings. Comments from the author of the original post would be helpful.
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Salaam to all
In addition to guidance that is addressed by Alpha and commented by Zainab I just want to add this verse
Qur'aan 2269-"He bestows wisdom upon whomever He chooses, and whoever attains wisdom, has attained a great bounty. Only those who posses intelligence will take heed."
Zainab applause for keeping the topic in focus, "Thus, the in-topic discussion is not the process of acquiring Divine guidance, rather it is to analyse its compatibility with other ideologies in view of Quraanic values after it is acquired."
I believe if we are Muslims and follow the Qur'aan we should be careful of not confusing other religions as being from the same source of Divine authority from Allah. There are good people in all religions but the article is focusing on the Qur'aanic theme that only one religion revealed from Allah is Islaam. Allah did not leave that for guess work for us Muslims. I just want to add this verse that compliments Brother Al Khidr's article
Qur?aan 4213-14
13. He has prescribed for you the SAME religion, which He decreed on Noah, and what We have sent by inspiration to you, and what We decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus ?You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it.? The idol worshippers will resent what you invite them to do. Allah redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself everyone who submits in peace.
14. Ironically, they broke up into sects-only after the knowledge had come to them-due to jealousy and resentment among themselves. If it were not for a predetermined decision from your Sustainer to respite them for a definite interim, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, these later generations who inherited the scripture are full of doubts. -
Salaam to all
Qur?aan 4213-14
13. He has prescribed for you the SAME religion, which He decreed on Noah, and what We have sent by inspiration to you, and what We decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus ?You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it.? The idol worshippers will resent what you invite them to do. Allah redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself everyone who submits in peace.
14. Ironically, they broke up into sects-only after the knowledge had come to them-due to jealousy and resentment among themselves. If it were not for a predetermined decision from your Sustainer to respite them for a definite interim, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, these later generations who inherited the scripture are full of doubts.These wonderful verses explain the article still better. Thanks no_shirk ..
Salaam
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Wa Laykum As Salaam Alpha
I want to thank you for your insight on this subject. I just want to make some brief comments to your post. You have said this
?I have christian friends who through our exchnge of ideas have come to get acquainted with HIS ALMIGHTY! They fully understand that this big change in their life is GRANTED TO THEM and read their books with a different eye!?
I just want to say that it?s a great thing if you are able to get them (your Christians) friends to look at the Creator in a different light because I assume that different light is closer to the Islaamic concept of tawhiyd. Part of our goal in life dawah and we will receive many blessings from Allah if we part take in spreading Deen of Allah. Since Allah have said that the only religion is Islaam (319, 85), we should always make a constant effort to awaken people of different religions to the truth of Al Islaam.
You have highlighted the following verses ?Look into 2-2/2-3 for conditions of guidance!? In actuality Qur?aan 21-4, address what a Muslim is
Sura 2
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Alif Laam Miim
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This scripture is infallible; It?s a guidance to the select, who tremble at the mention of Allah.
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Those who believe in the unseen, even when alone in their privacy, observe the Salaat, and from Our provisions to them, they share willingly.
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And they believe in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed before you. With regard to the Hereafter, they are certain.
Verse 2 is addressing the Qur?aan as being an infallible Book from the Creator and also in verse 4, when it says, ?And they believe in what was revealed to you? it is referring to the Qur?aan. This is a beautiful verse Alpha that you have highlighted and it tells you in a nutshell what a Muslim is and verse 5 says
?These are the ones who follow the guidance from their Lord; these are the successful ones.?
Praise be to Allah.
You have said this
?A chinese who has never heard of Quran and lives a rightouse life will be guided. We are all created equal.?
There is no dispute when it comes to that because it would be unjust for Allah to judge some one on the merits of the Qur?aan if they never heard of the Qur?aan before and if that person have lead a righteous life they will make it to Paradise. They will make it to Paradise not becauase their religion is true but because they have lead a righteous/pious life.
You have also said this
?NO NEED TO MAGNIFY THE DIFFERENCES! MAGNIFY THE ALMIGHTY in words and actions! 100% and fully.?
We do not want to keep people stuck in the middle, we want people to be on the far right of truth Al Islaam, so in order for this to take place we do need to highlight the differences. We need to address the differences, all information, truth and falsehood, etc. etc. to awaken the mind to the truth, this is our duty as a Muslim. Alhamdulillah that Allah did not leave us (Muslims) blind as to which is the true faith or religion
Qur?aan 319
The only religion approved by Allah is Islaam. Those who received the scripture dispute this fact, knowingly. This is due to jealousy on their part. For those who reject Allah?s revelations, Allah is most strict in reckoning.Qur?aan 385
Anyone who accepts other than Islaam as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter, he will be with the losers.Qur?aan 4213-14
13. He has prescribed for you the SAME religion, which He decreed on Noah, and what We have sent by inspiration to you, and what We decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus ?You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it.? The idol worshippers will resent what you invite them to do. Allah redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself everyone who submits in peace.
14. Ironically, they broke up into sects-only after the knowledge had come to them-due to jealousy and resentment among themselves. If it were not for a predetermined decision from your Sustainer to respite them for a definite interim, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, these later generations who inherited the scripture are full of doubts.Since we have been blessed from Allah to know in the greatest Book on the planet QURAAN, that it is Islaam which is the true faith or religion on the planet, then we should make it a constant effort on our behalf to bring the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist, just to name a few in the folds of Islaam.
Salaam
Peace Alkhidr , sis Zainab, No-Shirk,
Thank you for your writings. I like this way of discussion. civilizationlevel -for the lack of a better word- of discussion is high!
let?s set an example! as we are supposed to.When the conditions to be guided are not met, there will be no guidance!
Quran en scriptures and nothing else can not be a source of guidance UNLESS FIRST couples of conditions come to exist!
These are conditions of SOUL.
FIRST COMES A MOVEMENT WITHIN OUR SOUL BY OUR DOING, THEN COMES A MOVEMENT WITHIN OUR SOUL AND HEART BY THE DOING OF HIS MAJESTY! One comes to experience everthing from a different vantage point.I have christian friends who through our exchnge of ideas have come to get acquainted with HIS ALMIGHTY! They fully understand that this big change in their life is GRANTED TO THEM and read their books with a different eye!
A chinese who has never heard of Quran and lives a rightouse life will be guided. We are all created equal. THE DIVINE LIGHT IS WAITING TO GUIDE US! NO NEED TO MAGNIFY THE DIFFERENCES! MAGNIFY THE ALMIGHTY in words and actions! 100% and fully.
Look into 2-2/2-3 for conditions of guidance!peace,
- It is upon Us to guide.
- And to Us is the end and the beginning.
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Allah was never revealing "religion" but deen, Islam is a deen for believers who aim his live only to surender to His deen.
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Peace Al Khidr,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
May GOD make our discussions more fruitful!
I would like to use this opportunity on two points.
One is my take on 2-2 / 2-3 and the second one is THE BIG DIFFEENCE between faith and belief
(2-3) Those who
1- Attain Faith in the unseen
2- By performing salaat ( programming of soul ? Spiritual growth).
3- By filling the gaps of society ( practice for soul ? Spiritual growth).They will become the ones who can penetrate the meaning of Quran! Their vantage points are shifted upward! Not by themselves! THE ALIMIGHTY manifests that change .
There is no doubt about their guidance (2-2). They are now able to penetrate the guidance of Quran.
Faith does not have anything to do with believing or not believing!
The thought has to pass the corridor of MIND and penetrate the HEART! Then it is faith. And that level will be only achieved by step 2 and 3 as Quran outlines.
Wise said
You can?t know what faith is; what you call faith is only belief. Belief is of the head, it is part of
knowledge. Belief is false and phoney. Belief means somebody else has said something and you have believed it; it is borrowed. Belief is never original. Faith is always original. It arises in you it is the growth of your own consciousness.That?s how there are so many Mohammedans and Hindus and Christians and Jews, but you don?t find religious people anywhere. Religious people have disappeared from the earth. Yes, Christians are there, Hindus are there, but where are the religious people?
Religion consists of faith, not of belief. Behind the belief there is always doubt. Belief is rooted in doubt. It is because of the doubt, it is to repress the doubt, that you put a belief upon yourself. It is as if you hide a wound behind a roseflower, but the wound remains there.Just on the surface, things appear in one way. Deep down it is totally different. On the surface, people show trust and confidence in each other. Deep down, there is doubt. On the surface, love; deep down, there is hatred. On the surface, people are so nice; deep down, they are really bitter and poisonous. This duality has to be dropped. Faith arises only when you have become one. Faith is the fragrance of oneness.
If a person can remain silent for a few hours every day he will become aware of his whole phoniness, because he will see his real face again and again. If you continuously talk and continuously relate with people you forget your original face, because you have to wear masks continuously. For twentyfour hours you are talking, using words. And when you continuously use words, slowly slowly you start believing in those words, in the sound of those words.
Words have a hypnotic power. If you use a certain word again and again, it hypnotizes you. If you use the word ?god? again and again, slowly slowly you start thinking that you know what you mean, that you know what God is. It is very dangerous to repeat words.
But people go on talking. They don?t give any gap in which they can simply be silent and be.
If you are silent for at least one hour every day, you will be aware continuously that your talk is nonsense.And then ninety-nine percent of your talk will start disappearing. What is the point of
talking nonsense? But why do people talk then? They talk just to hide themselves behind the noise. Whenever you are nervous you start talking.Now it is a known fact if people are forced to live in solitude, after three weeks they start talking to themselves. They cannot bear silence, it becomes intolerable, so they start talking to themselves. They have to talk; words somehow keep them clinging to their personality. Once words disappear, they start falling into the impersonal. And they are very much afraid of the impersonal.
The impersonal is your reality. And you are afraid of the reality and you are clinging to the illusions that words create. People are satisfied with mere words; they are rags. Sanai says It is unbelievable. How are you satisfied with mere rags? You were made to work your way through this darkness of existence.
This is a task to be done, this is a way of growth. To be here on the earth simply means that God has given an opportunity to you to grow. This earth is a challenge. Accept the challenge, encounter life don?t escape.
A few people escape in words, a few people escape into monasteries, a few people escape into politics, a few people escape into money ? these are all escapes. A few become learned people, a few become rich, a few become very powerful in the world, a few become very respectable, moral and virtuous. But the real work is not done..............................).peace,
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As Salaamu Alaykum Brother Alpha
You have said this
?where are the religious people??
Alpha from your perspective who are these religious people you raise this question about?
Also you have quoted and said "wise said", who is this person that you quoted?
You have said this
?Religion consists of faith, not of belief. Behind the belief there is always doubt. Belief is rooted in doubt. It is because of the doubt, it is to repress the doubt, that you put a belief upon yourself. It is as if you hide a wound behind a roseflower, but the wound remains there.?
I think you are getting into semantics here. Iman is the Arabic word and that word can either be translated as ?belief? or ?faith? and if one chooses to translate Iman as ?belief? then the English word ?belief? does not possess the connotations from which you have mentioned up above. In one of my responses to you I have illustrated using Qur?aan that our Iman is not a blind, rather Allah wants us to search for truth, knowledge, evidence, etc. etc. Iman is an intelligent faith or belief where something is proven beyond doubt.
Qur?aan 1736
You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.Qur?aan 3918
They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom Allah has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.In Qur?aan 2111 addresses the Jews and Christians when they make this foolish claim that they are the only ones who will enter Paradise and Allah tells us in the Holy Qur?aan to ask them to show/bring/produce their proof
Qur?aan 2111
They said, ?No one will enter Paradise unless they be a Jew or a Christian!? Such is their wishful thinking. Say, ?Show us your proof, if you are truthfull.?Allah also gives us Muslims the GREEN light to DEBATE in (16125). Debate is a format which civilized people use to address their differences. In Debate falsehood and truth clash, thus, this is a process that we take in order for truth to shine by presenting evidence to refute falsehood. Blind faith has no life in this process
Qur?aan 1781
And say ?Truth has (now) arrived, and falsehood perished for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish,?Whether you want to use the English word ?faith? or ?belief?, if that person does not search to ?prove?, then it is blind no matter if you use the English word ?faith? or ?belief?. As we all know Allah does not want us to exist in darkness or simply put
Qur?aan 218
Deaf, dumb, and blind; they fail to return.This is relative truth right here
?Just on the surface, things appear in one way. Deep down it is totally different. On the surface, people show trust and confidence in each other. Deep down, there is doubt. On the surface, love; deep down, there is hatred. On the surface, people are so nice; deep down, they are really bitter and poisonous. This duality has to be dropped. Faith arises only when you have become one. Faith is the fragrance of oneness.
If a person can remain silent for a few hours every day he will become aware of his whole phoniness, because he will see his real face again and again. If you continuously talk and continuously relate with people you forget your original face, because you have to wear masks continuously. For twentyfour hours you are talking, using words. And when you continuously use words, slowly slowly you start believing in those words, in the sound of those words."
Now Alpha I would like to ask you this question. Are you the type of person who believes that there are many true religions stemming from the same Divine Source (Allah) or is there just only ONE that Allah called Islaam?
Salaam
Peace Al Khidr,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
May GOD make our discussions more fruitful!
I would like to use this opportunity on two points.
One is my take on 2-2 / 2-3 and the second one is THE BIG DIFFEENCE between faith and belief
(2-3) Those who
1- Attain Faith in the unseen
2- By performing salaat ( programming of soul ? Spiritual growth).
3- By filling the gaps of society ( practice for soul ? Spiritual growth).They will become the ones who can penetrate the meaning of Quran! Their vantage points are shifted upward! Not by themselves! THE ALIMIGHTY manifests that change .
There is no doubt about their guidance (2-2). They are now able to penetrate the guidance of Quran.
Faith does not have anything to do with believing or not believing!
The thought has to pass the corridor of MIND and penetrate the HEART! Then it is faith. And that level will be only achieved by step 2 and 3 as Quran outlines.
Wise said
You can?t know what faith is; what you call faith is only belief. Belief is of the head, it is part of
knowledge. Belief is false and phoney. Belief means somebody else has said something and you have believed it; it is borrowed. Belief is never original. Faith is always original. It arises in you it is the growth of your own consciousness.That?s how there are so many Mohammedans and Hindus and Christians and Jews, but you don?t find religious people anywhere. Religious people have disappeared from the earth. Yes, Christians are there, Hindus are there, but where are the religious people?
Religion consists of faith, not of belief. Behind the belief there is always doubt. Belief is rooted in doubt. It is because of the doubt, it is to repress the doubt, that you put a belief upon yourself. It is as if you hide a wound behind a roseflower, but the wound remains there.Just on the surface, things appear in one way. Deep down it is totally different. On the surface, people show trust and confidence in each other. Deep down, there is doubt. On the surface, love; deep down, there is hatred. On the surface, people are so nice; deep down, they are really bitter and poisonous. This duality has to be dropped. Faith arises only when you have become one. Faith is the fragrance of oneness.
If a person can remain silent for a few hours every day he will become aware of his whole phoniness, because he will see his real face again and again. If you continuously talk and continuously relate with people you forget your original face, because you have to wear masks continuously. For twentyfour hours you are talking, using words. And when you continuously use words, slowly slowly you start believing in those words, in the sound of those words.
Words have a hypnotic power. If you use a certain word again and again, it hypnotizes you. If you use the word ?god? again and again, slowly slowly you start thinking that you know what you mean, that you know what God is. It is very dangerous to repeat words.
But people go on talking. They don?t give any gap in which they can simply be silent and be.
If you are silent for at least one hour every day, you will be aware continuously that your talk is nonsense.And then ninety-nine percent of your talk will start disappearing. What is the point of
talking nonsense? But why do people talk then? They talk just to hide themselves behind the noise. Whenever you are nervous you start talking.Now it is a known fact if people are forced to live in solitude, after three weeks they start talking to themselves. They cannot bear silence, it becomes intolerable, so they start talking to themselves. They have to talk; words somehow keep them clinging to their personality. Once words disappear, they start falling into the impersonal. And they are very much afraid of the impersonal.
The impersonal is your reality. And you are afraid of the reality and you are clinging to the illusions that words create. People are satisfied with mere words; they are rags. Sanai says It is unbelievable. How are you satisfied with mere rags? You were made to work your way through this darkness of existence.
This is a task to be done, this is a way of growth. To be here on the earth simply means that God has given an opportunity to you to grow. This earth is a challenge. Accept the challenge, encounter life don?t escape.
A few people escape in words, a few people escape into monasteries, a few people escape into politics, a few people escape into money ? these are all escapes. A few become learned people, a few become rich, a few become very powerful in the world, a few become very respectable, moral and virtuous. But the real work is not done..............................).peace,
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As Salaamu Alaykum Brother Alpha
Peace and serenity upon you brother al Khidr
Alpha from your perspective who are these religious people you raise this question about?
Straight people. Those whose hearts are touched by GOD and not the followers of the establishments!
They are busy with betterment of humanity and charity! Not the ones sitting in school studying religious knowledge.who is this person that you quoted?
. That does not matter, If we agree with him whoever he might be and if we disagree whoever he is.
In reality an awakened heart filters things out. Hears what is right and expels what is wrong!I am not inviting anyone to blind faith.
I invite to THE ONE WHOSE SIGNS ARE ALL OVER THE CREATION!The greatest book of all is the THE BOOK of creation . BUT THAT BOOK ALSO CAN NOT GUIDE UNLESS ONE GETS STRAIGHT FROM INSIDE FIRST.
If that level is NOT reached (Level of 2-3) then there is no source that can help!Now Alpha I would like to ask you this question. Are you the type of person who believes that there are many true religions stemming from the same Divine Source (Allah) or is there just only ONE that Allah called Islaam?
IF ONE FIRST ATTENDS HER OWN SOUL, THEN THE ALMIGHTY HAS TAKEN CARE OF THE REST THAT YOU WILL BE PRESENTED WITH MANY MANY SOURCES OF GUIDANCE!
AND IF NOT, THERE IS NONE AVAILABLE! YOU WILL STAY IN YOUR OWN WORLDLY BOX!
Salaam
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Salam.
I have to say that brother Al-Khidr is right here, i agree with him completely. We are given eyes, sound, brains and we have to use it and we will be responsible for it.
We also cannot follow the "wise person" that we know nothing about. I mean, no offence, but who is he, what is his name, where or when did he live, is he still alive, is he following Qur'an alone?
Al-Khidr is definetely right about this.
Brother Alpha, trust me, brother Al-Khidr is right on this issue and has my full support on it, i am right behind him.We can not talk for ours and i have tried that many times, as i am writer and quiet for most of the time, lietrally, but when i speak, i speak to ALL people i encounter the same. Of course not 100% the same because some people have different sense of humour or don't like to talk about certain things.
For example with one friend from school, i can joke about the two of us getting married and we'll both laugh about it but to my neighbor if i said anything close to that, she would understand it as an attack and oppression because my friend from school is part muslim, part catholic and my neighbor is a Serb.
But, nevertheless, i can talk to both as one person an all three of us have common interests and issues that we can talk. I see hello the same to both of them in the same matter, i offer the help in English to both of them in the same way and i know that there's nothing phony about that.
I don't wear masks, i am trying to act the same with everyone, but everyone has a little different personality and some people don't get you so you have to "change" a little bit without changing your core, your sole, your faith, your belief, yourself, your oneness.
No offence, people.
May Allah Most Wise rewards us all with Paradise.
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Peace Alen,
THAT IS THE POINT Alen!
I do not believe not in you, not in Al Khidr, Not in wise man.First attain faith in creator by purifying your soul, then you will see that Alen, Alkhidr and wise man and the whole creation will become your sources of guidance!
THERE IS AN ABOUNDANCE OF GUIDANCE IN THIS WORLD, BUT HIDDEN FROM THE EYE OF MAN! TILL GOD OPENS YOUR VISION UNTO IT! and for that privilage you need a straight soul! NOTHING ELSE HELPS!reflect on this!
peace,
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As Salaamu Alaykum Alpha and Alen
First I want to thank you Alen for the information that you have provided here and the things that you have pointed out.
Alpha, Alen and I have asked you about this quote that you identified as a wise. I thought it was comedy that you want to conceal the identity or person behind that quote. An approach llike that makes the source suspect. There must be something wrong with that source (quote that you used who you said was wise). Below is what you have said when I or we asked who is this mysterious wise?
?That does not matter, If we agree with him whoever he might be and if we disagree whoever he is. In reality an awakened heart filters things out. Hears what is right and expels what is wrong!?
See Alpha you are dealing with Muslims who do not recognize blind faith, so information like that would be very much important (for a lot of reasons) why we and others would like to know the name of that mysterious persons whom you quote and identify as wise. How do we know he is not a Jinn? Shaytaan will say things that is truth and sounds very logical because such attempted would be designed to win the confidence of YOU (plural) and after he (Shaytaan) wins our confidence then he will introduce falsehood to take us of the straight path, so the person behind anything is very important.
Alpha are you into Sufism?
I notice that you have a way of talk that is mystical. You talk in a mystical way that goes around in circles with no continuity, no end. We Muslims are into mathematics/facts/evidence/logic/reasoning as Allah wants us to be (1736; 3918; 2111; 16125)
When you said, ?The greatest book of all is the Book of creation?, I hope that you meant the Qur?aan and if not which book are you referring to?
?The greatest book of all is the THE BOOK of creation . BUT THAT BOOK ALSO CAN NOT GUIDE UNLESS ONE GETS STRAIGHT FROM INSIDE FIRST."
When you said this
?IF ONE FIRST ATTENDS HER OWN SOUL, THEN THE ALMIGHTY HAS TAKEN CARE OF THE REST THAT YOU WILL BE PRESENTED WITH MANY MANY SOURCES OF GUIDANCE!?
I hope that many many source of guidance that you are talking about is Islaam?
Alpha why didn?t you answer my question when I asked you if you believe that all religions stems from the same Divine Source (Allah) or that you believe that Allah only revealed one religion or way of life called Islaam, which is the subject of this thread?
Salaam
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As Salaamu Alaykum massive online terrist or I meant to say phoenix1
I have come to realize that you are not a critical reader. You points below have already been answered in this thread. In my last quote I have said
Alpha why didn?t you answer my question when I asked you if you believe that all religions stems from the same Divine Source (Allah) or that you believe that Allah only revealed one religion or way of life called Islaam, which is the subject of this thread?
Notice I said "religion or way of life". You are not saying anything no body knows.
Notice you also said
"no matter what group/label you belong to, as long as you do good things you are a believer."
Again this point has been answered in this thread. Alpha one has used a Chinese as an example and said if that person has not came across the Qur'aan he still can make it to Paradise. I told him that I agree, if he was not exposed to the Qur'aan and lived a righteous life he will make it to Paradise. But this is seperate and apart from the original research of this thread which is that Allah, not I, but again Allah has said that Islaam is the only religion or way of life (Deen), so therefore Muslims who make the claim that all religions are from Allah contradicts the very Book they stand one. We all don't want to compromise the teaching of Islaam right?
Salaam
Peace
Islam is not a religion.
And the Quran makes it clear that no matter what group/label you belong to, as long as you do good things you are a believer.
peace