You Have Been Warned
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Peace noble,
Yes I do love you Tay
I love you too.
PS I have an interesting question for those into the real/physical duality question.
Is having a mental/emotional disorder physical or real?
Also if something is physical is it real?
And if something is real is it physical?
No cheating, you must provide convincing practical examples...
Or forget it... heheI would hope for a common understanding of "real" before answering your questions. Do you subscribe to the dictionary definition? If so, please quote it so we can start from the same point.
Peace,
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Peace
OK OpenMind your definition is
not tangible = not physical.Is there anything that's physical but not tangible?
For me I do not distinguish between real and physical. In fact I even doubt there is something physical altogether in this life, it is all an intricate, albeit very convincing illusion, meant as a Test. As for in the Hereafter, this will be the Reality. This life is just a stepping stone for what comes next.
It will take me a long time to elaborate on this.Exactly! I completely agree with this. I wanted to bring it up in my post, but didn't want to confuse anyone or anything. Good job.
Peace.
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Peace
OK OpenMind your definition is
not tangible = not physical.
For me I do not distinguish between real and physical. In fact I even doubt there is something physical altogether in this life, it is all an intricate, albeit very convincing illusion, meant as a Test. As for in the Hereafter, this will be the Reality. This life is just a stepping stone for what comes next.
It will take me a long time to elaborate on this.Peace bro
That was really cool man, I believe the Quran supports what you say, the Quran told us that at the moment of resurrection all our life on earth will be felt like one day or so, i.e. all these years was an illusion to serve the test, with eternity though it can't be an illusion because time does not exist any more
Cheers
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Peace
And of course what we do has consequences, it is as if what matters really as far as we are concerned are the choices we make. And everytime we are presented with a test, then a choice, until we die, that ends our program, and we exit loser or winner, or undecided (Al-Aaraf)...
I like to see this life as a big stage (movie) with the human actors being given some freedom in their role, with allah being the Producer, and from that freedom and the choices we make, the movie finishes and we cannot go back to it, as it is a one way production, and we find The Producer at the end of it with the reward or the punishment.
And to Allah belongs the best Parables... -
peace
I don't think that's what that verse means. But anyway...this is the problem I have with a physical hell (regardless of what the quran says)
- If this world is an illusion, our bodies are illusions, the word "physical" itself is an illusion. Nothing physical matters. It is the immaterial that we should concern ourselves with. What is inside our souls.
The physical "reality" is an illusion. We can play and distract ourselves with physical things, but what matters is how we feel inside. A rich drug dealer can womanize all he wants, buy all the cars he wants...but it won't change the condition of his heart. He will still be in hell in the true reality which is immaterial.
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Pain, physical pain, is caused by our nervous system inside our bodies. If someone's nervous system doesn't function, he/she cannot feel pain. In fact, people can eliminate pain through meditation.
Our state of mind determines how much pain we feel. A soldier getting shot might not feel that much pain because he will get to go home. Child birth in some cultures is more painful than in others because of how child birth and motherhood is viewed.
So Pain, like every other physical thing, is an illusion. -
If God does send us to a physical place after our deaths, that doesn't make God very forgiving.
If Hell is what we put ourselves into by our actions here on earth, and hell is temporary, we can get ourselves out of it and that does make God very forgiving and merciful.
So a physical hell also contradicts what the Quran says about God.
There is no spoon because a spoon is a physical object. There are no physical objects.
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Salam
2964 This worldly life is no more than play and distraction, while the abode of the Hereafter is the reality, if they only knew.2964
What I expect bro that some Arabic language rockies that will come and say, here we go Allah is saying the Garden is an animal "Haiwan" , lol
Cheers bro
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Again you fell into Shaitan's trap, phoenix1.
You will carry on arguing about what you have no understanding about ad-nauseum, just to hear yourself talking like those pop stars...
I am sure you will regard me in high esteem if I agree with you.
As I do not wish to displease my Lord, I will not.
Then "Peace"...
I strongly advise you to go and join a philosophy forum where they discuss the nature of reality...
You have much to learn..., if you just stop babbling and yapping along ;D -
Again you fell into Shaitan's trap, phoenix1.
You will carry on arguing about what you have no understanding about ad-nauseum, just to hear yourself talking like those pop stars...
I am sure you will regard me in high esteem if I agree with you.
As I do not wish to displease my Lord, I will not.
Then "Peace"...
I strongly advise you to go and join a philosophy forum where they discuss the nature of reality...
You have much to learn..., if you just stop babbling and yapping along ;DPeace bro, that is what 1736 says
"Do not argue if you lack knowledge"
"La Taqqifa Ma Laisa Laka Bihi Ilman"
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Peace "phoenix1",
peace
I don't think that's what that verse means. But anyway...this is the problem I have with a physical hell (regardless of what the quran says)
- If this world is an illusion, our bodies are illusions, the word "physical" itself is an illusion. Nothing physical matters. It is the immaterial that we should concern ourselves with. What is inside our souls.
The physical "reality" is an illusion. We can play and distract ourselves with physical things, but what matters is how we feel inside. A rich drug dealer can womanize all he wants, buy all the cars he wants...but it won't change the condition of his heart. He will still be in hell in the true reality which is immaterial.
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Pain, physical pain, is caused by our nervous system inside our bodies. If someone's nervous system doesn't function, he/she cannot feel pain. In fact, people can eliminate pain through meditation.
Our state of mind determines how much pain we feel. A soldier getting shot might not feel that much pain because he will get to go home. Child birth in some cultures is more painful than in others because of how child birth and motherhood is viewed.
So Pain, like every other physical thing, is an illusion. -
If God does send us to a physical place after our deaths, that doesn't make God very forgiving.
If Hell is what we put ourselves into by our actions here on earth, and hell is temporary, we can get ourselves out of it and that does make God very forgiving and merciful.
So a physical hell also contradicts what the Quran says about God.
There is no spoon because a spoon is a physical object. There are no physical objects.
Everything is ONE, part of GOD.JK- "Physical" is just a term which humans have given to something which they can touch feel or sense so far with their bodies or other availabke devices. If your in a dream then using the definition from this world it applies well to what you can sense there in the dream. This is the problem of terminology which quite often gets in the way of a debate/argument and renders it a nuisance. Sometimes it's unavoidable though. What is said is that Hell would be sensed visually, with the sense of sound , touch , taste and smell i.e. all the senses plus maybe additional ones. In other words it is a world with features we'd experience and it is real in the sense that we would feel it. Consider yourself in a dream. Whilst your in it that very dream becomes your reality until you wake up again. If you wont wake up for long there will come a time when youll want to and have to get along with the features available in your dream. I hope you got my point. GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny_k
Yes thank you, you talked very well. And it has nothing to do with whether I agree with you or not. Matter of fact I do. It actually clarifies my own thoughts...
And OpenMind, you need some Peace of Mind too...
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Peace "noble",
Peace jonny_k
Yes thank you, you talked very well. And it has nothing to do with whether I agree with you or not. Matter of fact I do. It actually clarifies my own thoughts...
And OpenMind, you need some Peace of Mind too...
It is not the amount of posts that matter, dude...JK- Thankyou ) GOD Bless!
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JK- "Physical" is just a term which humans have given to something which they can touch feel or sense so far with their bodies or other availabke devices. If your in a dream then using the definition from this world it applies well to what you can sense there in the dream. This is the problem of terminology which quite often gets in the way of a debate/argument and renders it a nuisance. Sometimes it's unavoidable though. What is said is that Hell would be sensed visually, with the sense of sound , touch , taste and smell i.e. all the senses plus maybe additional ones. In other words it is a world with features we'd experience and it is real in the sense that we would feel it. Consider yourself in a dream. Whilst your in it that very dream becomes your reality until you wake up again. If you wont wake up for long there will come a time when youll want to and have to get along with the features available in your dream. I hope you got my point. GOD Bless!
peace
so we will feel hell through our senses?