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    noble
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    Peace Bro Ahmed
    A good deed is a good deed. Salat is salat...

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      Peace Bro Ahmed
      It must be knowledge embedded within Deen as sanctioned by Allah...
      Salam

      Cheers bro

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        Peace
        I have now to reflect more on this, as you have entered a doubt in my mind, my beloved brother

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          Peace
          I have now to reflect more on this, as you have entered a doubt in my mind, my beloved brother

          I hope I don't lead you to hell though bro, however if I do, remember you can only blame yourself and not balme me

          cheers

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            noble
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            Peace Bro
            I trust in Allah's Mercy, as far as I do not indulge in idolatry, and I have repented from that, and hopefully stay like that until I die.
            OK here it is I hope Salat is a good deed too, even if compulsory, and extra salat is definitely a good deed. A good deed is a good deed (as explained in the Quran). A bad deed is a bad deed (as explained in the Quran).
            So my understanding is that the good deed of Salat wipes out bad deeds.
            You are allowed to comment on this (just kidding) ... ;D
            PS Of course there are restrictions, as specified about Kabair, Qassas, etc...

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              Peace Bro
              I trust in Allah's Mercy, as far as I do not indulge in idolatry, and I have repented from that, and hopefully stay like that until I die.
              OK here it is I hope Salat is a good deed too, even if compulsory, and extra salat is definitely a good deed. A good deed is a good deed (as explained in the Quran). A bad deed is a bad deed (as explained in the Quran).
              So my understanding is that the good deed of Salat wipes out bad deeds.
              You are allowed to comment on this (just kidding) ... ;D
              PS Of course there are restrictions, as specified about Kabair, Qissas, etc...

              Peace bro

              Let me explain why I just can?t accept it logically that doing good deeds will overwrite some bad deeds, I also don't consider Salat a good deed because it is compulsory, the concept of trading good deeds with bad deeds sounds too human to me, I can accept that Allah will forgive the bad deeds as stated below

              And (as to) those who do evil deeds, then repent after that and believe, your Lord after that is most surely Forgiving, Merciful.

              (153)

              -> See ? ?, ? And (as to) those who do evil deeds then repent after that and believe?, they must repent and BELIEVE for the bad deeds to be forgiven. It has nothing to do with good deeds. It makes no sense bro. in fact understanding it the trade way gives a virtual license to do bad deeds that can be dodged with many good deeds.

              The above is said differently as follow

              And He it is Who accepts repentance from His servants and pardons the evil deeds and He knows what you do;

              (25)

              -> Again, ? And He it is Who accepts repentance from His servants and pardons the evil deeds?, great sense, why Allah accept repentance?, not because I?m good with you, rather because I care about my Salat to Him, otherwise I have to be held accountable to my bad deeds and pay my dues because I don?t deserve His Afu, because I cared less about Salat that relates ONLY to Him, how He can forgive me if I cared less about Him doing my Salat and totally took Him out of the picture thinking that my good deeds are enough to secure this forgiveness that I will be in desperate need from Him alone?, it does not add up bro

              The confusion here bro that the word ? ? does not have to mean ?Bad Deeds? only, IT WILL ONLY MEAN as such if we have verb to do before it, like in 7153 mentioned above, therefore if we don?t have verb to do in front of it, it can mean 2 things, ?doing bad deeds? or ?Misfortune caused by Allah?, let?s look at the following verse

              And if We cause him to taste grace after some misfortune that had befallen him, he saith The ills have gone from me. Lo! he is exultant, boastful;

              (10)

              -> See bro ? The ills have gone from me?, see how it was said in Arabic ? ?, almost the same words as ? ? in 11114, this is a very strong argument against you bro, now we have the same words used to imply that ?the misfortune will go? sure by Allah, so in 11114 if we pray to Allah at the two ends of the night and part of the night which is Hasnaat, then He may remove the Sayaat on us, i.e. He won?t test us with more misfortune, this understanding can be seen in the following verse indeed

              And We cut them up on the earth into parties, (some) of them being righteous and (others) of them falling short of that, and We tried them with blessings and misfortunes that they might turn.

              (16

              -> Now I have another very strong argument against you bro, we read that Allah is ? We tried them with blessings and misfortunes?, and in Arabic ? ?, the same two words appeared in 11114, ? ?, so why not praying at the two ends of the night and part of it will earn those blessings from Allah that He will cause less misfortune to them in life?, I?m talking 11114 in here

              See why I can?t take it that good deeds ?other than Salat, I don?t consider Salat good deed anyway? has nothing to do with bad deeds, only the blessings of Allah is the only factor in not holding us accountable to our bad deeds, and for us to deserve that blessings we need to pray the two ends of the night and part of it as stated in 11114

              Time to go to work

              Take care

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                noble
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                Peace Bro Ahmed
                There are good deeds the human way, and Good Deeds fully and only to please Allah.
                With Salat, extra Salats are Good Deeds.
                If you are worshiping Allah you are doing a Good Deed to yourself, by following what you were created for.
                Again we have a semantics problem between us...
                Ultimately we want the same thing, Imanu BiLLah wa ijtinabi attaghut...
                Look around you, people and animals need threats and motivation to do things.
                Plus we do have to compensate against our bad deeds if we have hurt or wronged someone, and that means literally compensating or erasing a bad deed with a good one...
                Maybe you do not feel comfortable with the idea of trade, but Allah says that the best trade for the Believer is the trade with Allah, through Good Deeds and following the Deen...
                Salam
                Noble

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                  Peace Bro Ahmed
                  There are good deeds the human way, and Good Deeds fully and only to please Allah.
                  With Salat, extra Salats are Good Deeds.
                  If you are worshiping Allah you are doing a Good Deed to yourself, by following what you were created for.
                  Again we have a semantics problem between us...
                  Ultimately we want the same thing, Imanu BiLLah wa ijtinabi attaghut...
                  Look around you, people and animals need threats and motivation to do things.
                  Plus we do have to compensate against our bad deeds if we have hurt or wronged someone, and that means literally compensating or erasing a bad deed with a good one...
                  Maybe you do not feel comfortable with the idea of trade, but Allah says that the best trade for the Believer is the trade with Allah, through Good Deeds and following the Deen...
                  Salam
                  Noble

                  Exactly you trade WITH Allah "not with other people" while you are a BELIEVER, now to be really successful in that trade and claim your loses back you need to show Allah that you worship Him sincerely then you will be entitled to Afu and forgivenss of the bad deeds

                  for example imagine the following two

                  1. a believer who did 10 good deeds and 10 bad deeds
                  2. a non beleiver who did the exact same 10 good deeds and 10 bad deed

                  I'm talking deeds to others in here NOT to the self

                  according to your understanding both should not be punished, and this is a huge conflict indeed

                  Cheers

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                    noble
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                    Dear Brother Ahmed
                    Why do you put in my mouth what I never uttered?
                    From the start I only refer to Muslims/Believers.
                    As for the unbelievers, they reap their material rewards in this life, and are denied paradise in the hereafter...
                    Bro be careful as you jump to conclusion too fast. I know (usually) what I am talking about, despite my many flaws and imperfections.
                    Again I repeat I was referring to those who believed....
                    Salam
                    Noble

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                      Peace Bro Ahmed
                      Your examples cannot work, people don't record their good deeds and bad deeds like on a spreadsheet.
                      As for a believer, he is not supposed to do any bad deed anyway.
                      But if he does, and Allah has not punished him yet, he has the chance to avert the punishment by repenting and doing good.
                      Salam
                      Noble

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                        Dear Brother Ahmed
                        Why do you put in my mouth what I never uttered?
                        From the start I only refer to Muslims/Believers.
                        As for the unbelievers, they reap their material rewards in this life, and are denied paradise in the hereafter...
                        Bro be careful as you jump to conclusion too fast. I know (usually) what I am talking about, despite my many flaws and imperfections.
                        Again I repeat I was referring to those who believed....
                        Salam
                        Noble

                        Peace bro

                        did i put anything into yout mouth?, as far as I believe i didn't i said "According to your understanding " i never said you said such and such, you said good deeds will compensate bad deeds, now I said according to your understanding both should not be punished,

                        so now you confirmed that only believers desrve forgivenss right?, ok then we are talking that those who believe will be entitled to forgivness, i.e the good deeds has nothing to do with forgiving the bad deeds

                        Salam

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                          Salam Bro Ahmed
                          Still misunderstandings.
                          The non believers are not entitled any forgiveness, period.
                          Good deeds / bad deeds
                          As a believer you only get forgiven if you repent. If you do a good deed, you get rewarded, if you do a bad deed you get punished.
                          Good deeds bring you closer to Allah, bad deeds move you away from Allah.
                          Good deeds do not have to be material, a du'a can be a good deed, for instance istighfar make you avoid punishment.
                          I stand by what I said, Good deeds for the believer are his armour that protect him from punishment, however mindfullness and fear of Allah is greater...
                          What does Allah need from our punishment if it were not for our prayers (Quran)
                          Salam

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                            Bro I am going to bed, I live in UK, and its 300 am
                            Nice for this exchange
                            Salam
                            Noble

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                              Bro I am going to bed, I live in UK, and its 300 am
                              Nice for this exchange
                              Salam
                              Noble

                              Good night bro, I think we have to agree to disagree

                              Salam

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                                Peace Bro
                                I trust in Allah's Mercy, as far as I do not indulge in idolatry, and I have repented from that, and hopefully stay like that until I die.
                                OK here it is I hope Salat is a good deed too, even if compulsory, and extra salat is definitely a good deed. A good deed is a good deed (as explained in the Quran). A bad deed is a bad deed (as explained in the Quran).
                                So my understanding is that the good deed of Salat wipes out bad deeds.
                                You are allowed to comment on this (just kidding) ... ;D
                                PS Of course there are restrictions, as specified about Kabair, Qassas, etc...

                                How is it that one performs salaat and haj, while at the same time not indulge in idolatry and then repent to claim "Allah's" trust? Perhaps your point is not clear enough.

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                                  noble
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                                  Nice try Danish rotfl

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                                    Hello All

                                    I enhanced the movie, synced all frames with the music, added more verses, changed the ending, enhanced the preloader and decreased the size by 700KB, here it is again, you can watch it now under any envirmoent and the frames will stay synced, enjoy

                                    You Have Been Warned (V2)

                                    Salam

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                                      Peace
                                      Dear Brother Ahmed
                                      I asked in a prayer Allah yashrah li sadri (istikhara) about the subject of fear. This is a reflection in progress, so please kindly do not be quick to argue/judge/criticise
                                      Allah does not need our fear or our worship.
                                      He created us to worship Him, therefore it is better for us that we do.
                                      Part of the worship is that we believe in Him, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, The Last Day, and The Qadha/Qadar (all of these can be found in the Quran).
                                      Now for the subject of fear, I do not think khashiat refers to fear at all. The translation in english is due to the pollution from man-made additions in the bible and hadith.
                                      A better probable translation is Beware, or be Deeply Conscious and Convinced. If you replace these in most occurences where Khashiat is mentioned, it will make sense, in other contexts, khashiat also means concern or also giving much importance to, like khashiat kufar instead of khashiat Allah.
                                      Why I am saying this, is because fear is a very negative emotion, it leads to immobility and lack of movement, and I do not think Allah wants us to be immobilised.
                                      The warning and the examples given are frightening in themselves, but all the time we have a recipe to not fall under their categories. Allah uses these to warn us of His punishment, and the remedy is His worship.
                                      As for the good deeds / bad deeds issues, it is vital, because how then will Allah measure the levels in Paradise and Hell (Darajaat wa Darakaat, Phirdaws Ala'ala, Assabiquoon Almuqarabuun, Ass'haba Almaimanat, Ass'haba Almash'amat, Alkufaar, Almunafiquun...etc)
                                      May Allah increase us in knowledge and encourage us to better practice.
                                      Salam
                                      Noble

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                                        Peace
                                        Dear Brother Ahmed
                                        I asked in a prayer Allah yashrah li sadri (istikhara) about the subject of fear. This is a reflection in progress, so please kindly do not be quick to argue/judge/criticise
                                        Allah does not need our fear or our worship.
                                        He created us to worship Him, therefore it is better for us that we do.
                                        Part of the worship is that we believe in Him, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, The Last Day, and The Qadha/Qadar (all of these can be found in the Quran).
                                        Now for the subject of fear, I do not think khashiat refers to fear at all. The translation in english is due to the pollution from man-made additions in the bible and hadith.
                                        A better probable translation is Beware, or be Deeply Conscious and Convinced. If you replace these in most occurences where Khashiat is mentioned, it will make sense, in other contexts, khashiat also means concern or also giving much importance to, like khashiat kufar instead of khashiat Allah.
                                        Why I am saying this, is because fear is a very negative emotion, it leads to immobility and lack of movement, and I do not think Allah wants us to be immobilised.
                                        The warning and the examples given are frightening in themselves, but all the time we have a recipe to not fall under their categories. Allah uses these to warn us of His punishment, and the remedy is His worship.
                                        As for the good deeds / bad deeds issues, it is vital, because how then will Allah measure the levels in Paradise and Hell (Darajaat wa Darakaat, Phirdaws Ala'ala, Assabiquoon Almuqarabuun, Ass'haba Almaimanat, Ass'haba Almash'amat, Alkufaar, Almunafiquun...etc)
                                        May Allah increase us in knowledge and encourage us to better practice.
                                        Salam
                                        Noble

                                        Good morning bro

                                        No worrries man, we have to agree to disagree, I fear Allah with every single atom in my body and I feel proud that I finally achioved that

                                        with your understanding, many verses will not make sense, for example for Allah to advice not to WORRY abouit other people is one silly teaching and can't be followed

                                        Take care bro

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                                          Salam Bro
                                          Maybe because I suffer from an emotional disorder (generalised anxiety / manic depression, which is provoked by an imbalance in brain's hormones) I am very sensitive to this fear issue.
                                          But not being worried about other people, includes not fearing them...
                                          In any event, the fear of people is unjustified, and what happens is that people fear what they can do, but people do not make the distinction. And when you do that, you usually end up hating the one you fear...
                                          I fear the punishment of Allah, and I respect Him, try my best to be mindful, conscious of Him every minute of my life.
                                          Allah knows best and I pray that He opens my heart even more to His guidance.
                                          Kind salams
                                          Noble
                                          PS Important Beware does not mean worry, it means be warned.

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