FREE MINDS or FIRON MINDS
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Easy folks. How do i need the creator? And i think he does need me because he is always asking me to help his deen and worship him?....Go figure... ;D ??? >
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Peace upon you Danish and enquirer,
Why do we need a creator?
If you think that you are "some creatures" then surely you need a creator that have made you, it is as simple as that.
But if you think that you are not "a creature", then you don't even exist to have this conversation. If you nullify the existance of a creator, you nullify by the same token your own existance.
You may ask, "why only one creator?", if you think there are more than one, just tell me to which one you belong.
To make things easier for you to recognise your creator, just remember the one to whom you asked for help when you were in danger of death, when it seemed that nobody could help you, and asked for his help as the ultimate resort. Has he not answered your call? Would you answer his?
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Sorry I do not wish to engage you, I meant panting and raving, or was it raving and ranting, must be these damn pills I am taking ...
Then you should stop making "noble" statements coming out of those damn pills you are taking.
Some have issues with God, take them with Him, I am only human
As per your statement, if Quran is Allah's words, then take the entire matter to "HIM"; why bother speaking on behalf of HIM? You make statements that you can't support and when confronted, you start making excuses.....oh, I am only human, take the issues with God, huh!
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Danish,
What happened to you? Have you been gang abused (hard) by a bunch of mullahs when u were young, that might explain your persistent touchiness on the matters.
I have nothing to say to you.
If you feel victimised, go and drama queen with someone else.
I value my comfort, and arguing with you is useless and senseless... -
Danish,
What happened to you? Have you been gang abused (hard) by a bunch of mullahs when u were young, that might explain your persistent touchiness on the matters.
I have nothing to say to you.
If you feel victimised, go and drama queen with someone else.
I value my comfort, and arguing with you is useless and senseless...Chill out man and stop taking "noble" pills that doesn't do you any good. ??? If you hesitate to engage with me, then politely say so without making other provocative statements.
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Danish, are you placating now?
I did not like the way you abused some of the Sisters here.
Plus I do not seem to like you, after reading your posts which I found fatuous and arrogant.
You tried to initiate a dialogue with me starting with silly assumptions.
If you hate Al-Islam so much why are you here, go away!
It is my right to ask you to leave me alone, or I will take the matter with the Admins...
Have a pleasant day...
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Danish, are you placating now?
I did not like the way you abused some of the Sisters here.
Plus I do not seem to like you, after reading your posts which I found fatuous and arrogant.
You tried to initiate a dialogue with me starting with silly assumptions.
If you hate Al-Islam so much why are you here, go away!
It is my right to ask you to leave me alone, or I will take the matter with the Admins...
Have a pleasant day...
NobleI'm requesting you one last time. If you do not wish to engage with me then say so POLITELY without provocations. This is a public forum and not dedicated to your sole self. Do you understand this simple notion? Mods/admins and other members are realizing where this discussion is heading towards which you seem to infest once again. The following was my first post addressed to you earlier and notice your "noble" responses above
What keeps me going about other people's ranting and panting is that The Creator does not need us and we need Him.
I didn't quite understand your statement above. Can you please elaborate a little?
Over and out.
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Easy someone. If every 'creature' needs a 'creator' then who created the creature that is supposedly the creator!!!
And there are many,many 'creators',everbody who has a child is a creator,as are artists,musicians and architechts...
To me the presence of creatures implies creatures/creators before us (ie cause and effect.) not one all-mighty creator...
ps; when there are mutations,cancers,destructive diseases,harmful genes and such like,is this the work of one perfect,all-merciful creator??? -
Easy someone.
Is it a new way to greet people? what does it mean? or is it just to appear like a "cool guy"
If every 'creature' needs a 'creator' then who created the creature that is supposedly the creator!!!
He is uncreated, he was always, he will always be; He is everlasting.
And there are many,many 'creators',everbody who has a child is a creator,as are artists,musicians and architechts...
To me the presence of creatures implies creatures/creators before us (ie cause and effect.) not one all-mighty creator...These are not creators, it is just an abuse of language.
Creator refers to an entity making something out of nothing. These people can be described as makers, they are making things using other existhing things that they have not created in the first place. To make a child, one would need a testicule and an ovule first.
PSIn the language of the scripture, "the creator" is "ar-rahmane", no where in the scripture does this word ever refer to anyone other than the god.
On the other hand, "maker" is "khaliq", there are many, and the god is described as the best maker.
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2273 O mankind, an example is being cited so listen to it those you call upon besides God will not create a fly even if they all gathered to do so. And if the fly takes anything from them, they will not be able to return it from him. Weak is both the seeker and the sought!
If every 'creature' needs a 'creator' then who created the creature that is supposedly the creator!!!
He is uncreated, he was always, he will always be; He is everlasting.
And there are many,many 'creators',everbody who has a child is a creator,as are artists,musicians and architechts...
To me the presence of creatures implies creatures/creators before us (ie cause and effect.) not one all-mighty creator...These are not creators, it is just an abuse of language.
Creator refers to an entity making something out of nothing. These people can be described as makers, they are making things using other existhing things that they have not created in the first place. To make a child, one would need a testicule and an ovule first.
PSIn the language of the scripture, "the creator" is "ar-rahmane", no where in the scripture does this word ever refer to anyone other than the god.
On the other hand, "maker" is "khaliq", there are many, and the god is described as the best maker.
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If every 'creature' needs a 'creator' then who created the creature that is supposedly the creator!!!
You think our Creator is a 'creature'?
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Easy someone,qureishi,zenje and all. Saying 'easy' is what we fellows say where im from...Im conveying my good wishes for you to be at ease,which is similiar to peace and salaam...Whats in a name/word anyway??!! ... And whats wrong with being cool anyway??
I would like you fellows,or ANYBODY to show me ONE example of the so-called 'god' creating something out of nothing....???
If 'god' is not a creature/entity,then what is he/she? Does he/she/it have no 'existance'/reality then?
Should i believe it because you keep repeating that he is the one creator? If so,if i repeat 1000 times that i am the president of the usa,does that make me george w bush??? elektro )
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Easy someone. When you stated that i could recognise 'god' when i was approached by danger and/or death...,well,when im in danger or near death i would say i try to get hold of doctors,loved ones,lifeguards or try to get out of danger by some physical or mental means....I dont recall calling upon 'allah' on these dangerous occasions...Do you?
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enquirer, you are deliciously rebellious...
i happen to have two siblings who are pretty much atheists, but they are angry and very successful in life, whereas you seem to be of a "good natured", albeit heathen gregarious disposition...
so are you preaching atheism in a God only forum, fascinating, and intriguing...
it seems to me you are very fundamentalistic in your atheistic views so engaging you in the matter will be fruitless...
it takes for some a complete life time to realise their place in this vast universe, and i am always amazed at the atheistic stance...
good luck dude
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I would like you fellows,or ANYBODY to show me ONE example of the so-called 'god' creating something out of nothing....???
Peace enquirer,
An example would be "you", a hundred years ago, you were nothing to be mentionned. I'm not talking about your bones and flesh, but your self. Where do you think it came from?
muscle peace
PS I hope that you are aware of your (negligible)position in this space-time creation, because the way you are arguing about your creator is either extremely naive or exremely arrogant. And both can lead to not that good situations.
PPS just as a side note, I have an uncle who is wealthy, extremly confident about himself and his "might". In the last 2 years or so, he lost his memory, he also lost any cognitive abilities, now he is like a child, even like a baby or less (a vegetable??). No doctor could help him despite all the money. So he lost his "self", even if his body is still in a very good condition.
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An example would be "you", a hundred years ago, you were nothing to be mentionned. I'm not talking about your bones and flesh, but your self. Where do you think it came from?
Why don't you enlighten us about where we came from when we were NOTHING?
PS I hope that you are aware of your (negligible)position in this space-time creation, because the way you are arguing about your creator is either extremely naive or exremely arrogant. And both can lead to not that good situations.
PPS just as a side note, I have an uncle who is wealthy, extremly confident about himself and his "might". In the last 2 years or so, he lost his memory, he also lost any cognitive abilities, now he is like a child, even like a baby or less (a vegetable??). No doctor could help him despite all the money. So he lost his "self", even if his body is still in a very good condition.
Quite the opposite is true as well. So then, how does this conclude your one-sided notions?
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peace enquirer,
if you look around you, everything works in a certain way, everything has an intelligent design to it. Look at the periodic table, the solar system...everything works in perfect harmony with everything else. The universe is like a clock, and everything in it are gears working together.
So there is an 'intelligence' in this world, and we are to serve that intelligence (universal law), which means serving the whole (the clock).
humans cause disharmony because they don't serve the whole, they serve themselves, they set up partners to God. If nothing more, God is everything (as one).